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Craigslist? Really? How can someone so smart think something this stupid would even work?

Are you good with college level math? I need a taller college aged brunette female student to take a math placement test for me in person as I am out of state currently. If you believe that you can be of help please respond to this ad and let me know your math qualifications. Must know college level math. Willing to pay a neg fee. This could turn into more work in the near future if interested.
 

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Just because someone is attending college, doesn't mean they are intelligent...

Just like someone with 2 PhD's may not be able to figure out how to change their own oil.
 

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Don't they require an id for to take a test? They did for me in a lot of my classes that had 100s of students. Although yes I know that can be faked.
 

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meh, edumacation is mostly bs anyway
 

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cheating on a placement test just to get her into a particular math class... *sigh*

I screwed up my math placement test when I went to college, like so bad it put me into basic math, however being as it was a multiple choice test I assume I screwed up one bubble and that screwed everything up. The counselor was so tired that day she wasn't buying that was an option as I tried to argue that my last math class was pre-calculus in high school, and these were the days before online registration when you had to stand in a huge as line for hours to get your classes too, eventually I got her to allow me to take pre-calculus again.. which I got an A in.
 

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College.. where you go to pay stupid amounts of money for an education that is worthless the second you get a real job. All just to be part of some club to say, "yep I blew a ton of money on this degree and don't have a single marketable skill".
 

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If you never find any of your college classwork valuable in your real job after graduation, you either should have went to a better college program or you should have taken more demanding classwork. It is possible to flush a truckload of money down the drain for four consecutive years and get a worthless degree, or you can get a STEM degree that you'll have to actually work at and learn something in.

History majors arguing that all college is worthless make me laugh.
 

Dekoth-E-

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IT professional... college for IT is completely worthless. I've walked more college graduates out of interviews over the years than I can count.
 

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Placement tests are kinda important, so I could definitely see someone cheating on them. If your major requires level X math, for example, and you test into level X-3 instead of X-2, that's another quarter of class you have to pay for.
 

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College.. where you go to pay stupid amounts of money for an education that is worthless the second you get a real job. All just to be part of some club to say, "yep I blew a ton of money on this degree and don't have a single marketable skill".

Depends on the course, I quit my job to go to school for 6 months. Cost me $12k in student loans to afford it but I now make $30k a year more so completely worth every cent. Mind you it was a pretrade course for the electrical trade but it was a full college course
 

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J.C., one of the professors, who happens to be a tallish, brunette, English professor in Seattle, contacted the student using a pseudonym to dig around for more information. The student replied, saying she needed someone to help her get a place in a college-level online math class by taking the ACT Compass exam in person at a local testing center, and once she’d placed into the appropriate math class, possibly take the online course for her:
Come on now, who really believes an English Prof would be able to place into a math course of their choosing?
 

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College is worthless in only two scenarios: 1) you're doing something stupid like the aforementioned history major 2) you've got a Bill Gates level "I'm gonna create Microsoft in my garage" plan in place, and the motivation to go through with it.

Otherwise - please assemble my burger without pickles please :p
 

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I recently saw an ad on Craigslist for an "actor" needed for an easy 3 hour job that paid $300. I sent an email just out of curiosity, and he was looking for someone to act as his AA sponsor in court and say he had been clean and working his steps. I almost couldn't believe it. I told him I couldn't do it, but wished him luck. No idea if he ever found someone, but I'm sure there are plenty of people that would do it.
 

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I personally don't condone cheating but to if colleges didn't require all sorts of retarded classes especially where you cannot place out or take exam, I totally see people do this even if they know the subject.
 

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College is worthless in only two scenarios: 1) you're doing something stupid like the aforementioned history major 2) you've got a Bill Gates level "I'm gonna create Microsoft in my garage" plan in place, and the motivation to go through with it.

Otherwise - please assemble my burger without pickles please :p

Unless you're in top level management, most IT professional jobs don't require college degrees.

Assemble your own burger :p
 

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College is worthless in only two scenarios: 1) you're doing something stupid like the aforementioned history major 2) you've got a Bill Gates level "I'm gonna create Microsoft in my garage" plan in place, and the motivation to go through with it.

Otherwise - please assemble my burger without pickles please :p

Hahaha this post is hilarious. Wrong, but hilarious.
 

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Finance guy here.

I can safely say that college isn't worthless however it really isn't for everyone. Some people just don't learn in classrooms but rather learn on the job. Unfortunately, those people don't get through the interview.

I've turned down countless Harvard grads and Stanford grads just because they came off too arrogant though. I always picked the guy that went to either the community college or the city college and just couldn't go to the better schools because he/she couldn't afford it. Over half the staff I have hired over the years fit this profile, the rest was hired because they knew the bosses.
 

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Don't they require an id for to take a test? They did for me in a lot of my classes that had 100s of students. Although yes I know that can be faked.

That's why she was looking for a taller female brunette. How's that song go, another brick in the wall? Teachers don't take the time to know you, and ID's aren't that accurate.

Finance guy here.

I can safely say that college isn't worthless however it really isn't for everyone. Some people just don't learn in classrooms but rather learn on the job. Unfortunately, those people don't get through the interview.

I've turned down countless Harvard grads and Stanford grads just because they came off too arrogant though. I always picked the guy that went to either the community college or the city college and just couldn't go to the better schools because he/she couldn't afford it. Over half the staff I have hired over the years fit this profile, the rest was hired because they knew the bosses.

Community College for me was much different then I guess normal college is? For example, the Community College I went too required no calculators. Not for homework, not in classes, and not in tests. All work must be shown. No graphing or scientific. I failed a lot of math classes.

But my friend who went to a local high prestige college was allowed to do all that. Many times I'd get stuck trying to solve a problem, and asked for his help. I mean, he's doing well in school, so he should know how to solve these problems. He pulls out this super expensive calculator, and begins to punch in numbers. This wasn't your average TI-84, as it even showed you how to solve it step by step. Of course he's allowed to bring this to tests as well.

BTW, this same guy was going for electrical engineer, and he needed my help to wire a light bulb in his home. College education is very relative.
 

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IT professional... college for IT is completely worthless. I've walked more college graduates out of interviews over the years than I can count.

Hence why I went for History. Decided to just have the degree to help compete for jobs and it works. Did my certs on the side and self taught whatever else I could.
 

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Unless you're in top level management, most IT professional jobs don't require college degrees.
Do you realize how small of a percentage of people actually have the necessary skill set to be considered IT professionals? Definitely one of those things where the forum this conversation is taking place is definitely skewing one's reality.
 

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Do you realize how small of a percentage of people actually have the necessary skill set to be considered IT professionals? Definitely one of those things where the forum this conversation is taking place is definitely skewing one's reality.

Granted you have 10 types of IT professionals, troubleshooters and process followers.

Troubleshooters are generally far more logical and thrive on solving problems. But many IT jobs just need people who can (and are happy) following predefined processes. I figure most of the guys in this forum are type A though...
 

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"I need a taller college aged brunette female student"

That makes 2 of us. :eek:
 

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College.. where you go to pay stupid amounts of money for an education that is worthless the second you get a real job. All just to be part of some club to say, "yep I blew a ton of money on this degree and don't have a single marketable skill".

People who have that experience in college should never have been sent to college in the first place; they should have gone to trade school instead.

The American K-12 education system (and American society in general) is now failing to sort out the trade set from the social set and is instead emphasizing that everyone should go to college, which is simply not true. As a result, the trade school system is failing in a major way to supply industry with tradepersons. I'm not sure I can pinpoint when this failure began, but I do know it was already well in place by the 1980s.
 

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The problem is that trade schools are now looked down upon so harshly. If I had told my mother I didnt want to go to college and wanted to go to vo-tech to get a pesticide license. She'd have kicked my in the face, and then kicked me out of the house.

So I went to College, smoked weed, screwed around and wasted her money. I didnt go back until I was 25, and I still havent finished because frankly I HATE school. Im not an idiot, I scored 1300 on my SATs and have been building/rebuilding PCs by myself since I was 9 (IBM PS/2, DOS 5.0 days...) However I am now A+, and MCSA certified, I enjoy my reasonably well paying job fixing shit that college grads have ZERO clue how to live without, or fix for themselves.

Coulda saved myself alot of embarrassment, and alot of my folks cash if they had just let me do it my way from the beginning.
 

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cheating on a placement test just to get her into a particular math class... *sigh*

I screwed up my math placement test when I went to college, like so bad it put me into basic math, however being as it was a multiple choice test I assume I screwed up one bubble and that screwed everything up. The counselor was so tired that day she wasn't buying that was an option as I tried to argue that my last math class was pre-calculus in high school, and these were the days before online registration when you had to stand in a huge as line for hours to get your classes too, eventually I got her to allow me to take pre-calculus again.. which I got an A in.

Wow.. that's exactly what happened to me. I had to take "Elementary Algebra", and in high school I had already passed advanced placement Alegebra 2... but that didn't matter. More money for them I guess.. and 8 credits (2 classes) that I wouldn't have had to take otherwise.

It makes me kinda upset that people cheat so much. Some people do it by nature and don't even think about it because they know nothing will happen to them. The teacher's pets are the worst, in my opinion ;)
 

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If you never find any of your college classwork valuable in your real job after graduation, you either should have went to a better college program or you should have taken more demanding classwork. It is possible to flush a truckload of money down the drain for four consecutive years and get a worthless degree, or you can get a STEM degree that you'll have to actually work at and learn something in.

History majors arguing that all college is worthless make me laugh.

I would disagree with this. I have to have a college degree to get the job I am currently at and my IT degree did not do anything except check the box for me. I won't say that this is always the case, but I also don't think college is worth what our culture seems to think it is.
 

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Unless you're in top level management, most IT professional jobs don't require college degrees.

Bullshit.

They do require degrees, but they also frequently waive those degrees for actual experience if accompanied by proper certifications.

The trick is, if you have no experience then you better have that degree.
 

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I have to have a college degree to get the job I am currently at and my IT degree did not do anything except check the box for me.

If all you do in college is check the box then that's what you paid for. If you actually learned something and put that learning to task so you actually "know" something, then it's worth much more then a checked box and it will show in your first job.
 

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meh, edumacation is mostly bs anyway

Yup. God created everything. He made everything work. Everything's magical. Science and math is irrelevant. All we need to be educated in is on how to read so we can read the bible.

:D
 

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Bullshit.

They do require degrees, but they also frequently waive those degrees for actual experience if accompanied by proper certifications.

The trick is, if you have no experience then you better have that degree.

I never went to college for computers and I'm in IT for a project management company in Chicago. It's not always about degree, but about what you know and who you know.

I went to Purdue for industrial engineering and got bored with it. Been a life long computer tinkerer and decided to try my luck there.
 

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Yup. God created everything. He made everything work. Everything's magical. Science and math is irrelevant. All we need to be educated in is on how to read so we can read the bible.

:D

It all began billio----- thousands and thousands of years ago. :p
 

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College is worthless in only two scenarios: 1) you're doing something stupid like the aforementioned history major . . .

Yes, because it's of no use whatsoever to understand the roots of our cultural and social institutions, see the influences and connections between cultures, know anything about how our understanding of science and math emerged from a morass of superstition, be able to navigate the systems of cultures not your own, see how the current intertwined economic and political systems of the world function, known why histories winners and losers ended up that way, or have any appreciation of the evolving state of the human condition. None of that could be of any help in addressing the world's ills, profitably navigating one's way though a multi-cultural, globalist society, or making the personal and business decision necessary for success. :rolleyes:

Science is the future, and STEM professionals are critical to a culture's success, but don't make the mistake the understanding how the human world works is waste of time. The engineer or IT guy who can't find the Middle East on a map or who doesn't understand why North Korea has any bearing on U.S. economic policy is as contemptible as the doctor who can't change his own oil.

If you think history is memorizing an unchanging litany of dates and dead guys . . . you're doing it wrong. :)
 

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Unless you're in top level management, most IT professional jobs don't require college degrees.

Assemble your own burger :p

I never went to college for computers and I'm in IT for a project management company in Chicago. It's not always about degree, but about what you know and who you know.

I went to Purdue for industrial engineering and got bored with it. Been a life long computer tinkerer and decided to try my luck there.

To a degree. It depends on the area and what you are trying to do. A lot of places now do want either a college degree and X years of experience. So if you have been working in the field for 6+ years then you can probably get away without the degree. But somebody just trying to get into the field, they probably will need to have a degree at a lot of places.

If you do know somebody sometimes you can get a foot in the door.
 

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Yup. God created everything. He made everything work. Everything's magical. Science and math is irrelevant. All we need to be educated in is on how to read so we can read the bible.

:D

Isn't science ultimately based on observation? Suppose there is a God and when we scientifically study something, we are observing how awesome his creative abilities truly are.
 

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The engineer or IT guy who can't find the Middle East on a map or who doesn't understand why North Korea has any bearing on U.S. economic policy is as contemptible as the doctor who can't change his own oil.

I find neither of those examples contemptible. They are just extremely focused on their chosen profession. There is a need for both specialists and generalists; you get your best results when the two work together.
 

Tuthmose

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I find neither of those examples contemptible. They are just extremely focused on their chosen profession. There is a need for both specialists and generalists; you get your best results when the two work together.

I might agree with you . . . if they didn't vote.

I'm not saying that everybody needs to be a specialist in international economics or foreign policy, but a basic understanding of the interconnected world in which we live is pretty essential if you want people casting intelligent votes. When combined, myopia and democracy don't produce pretty results.
 
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