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Catalyst 8.12

killerbobjr said:
For those of you getting a Code 43 error with the 8.12 drivers on a Vista x64 system, please read below:


The 8.12 driver seems to have a memory addressing bug for any installed memory above 4GB. You have to set the maximum memory Vista can use to 4GB. To do this in Vista x64 -

1. Start "msconfig" (without the quotes) from the Run menu under the Start button.
2. Click the Boot tab, then the Advanced options button.
3. Make sure Maximum memory is checked and set the value to 4096, then click OK.
4. Click OK again, then reboot.

This causes Vista to utilize only 4GB and to ignore the rest and allows the 8.12 driver to work. This is obviously a temporary fix until ATI releases a hot patch to fix the problem. (Keep a note to yourself somewhere to uncheck the setting when you update the driver).
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Where did this come from? I know plenty of people using the Catalyst 8.12 drivers and they all have 8GB of RAM or better and haven't had a problem (myself included). Which means having 8GB of RAM isn't the only cause.
 
killerbobjr said:
Great! More data. What's the motherboard chipset and cpu you are using?
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Check my sig for the hardware specifics but the quick version is Q9450 on an X48 chipset. ;)

My system is overclocked (8x400) but nothing pushing anything too far especially when I picked the Q9450 because it was identical to the high-end C2Q Extreme chips in every way but the FSB. Because of that I knew I probably had a little added headroom for an easy but moderate overclock. 400FSB is still well within what my board can do by default so I haven't had to adjust any motherboard voltages. My CPU is still also under it's max recommended voltage.
 
alg7_munif said:
Go to nVidia forum and you will see the same thing? ;)
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Why is everyone so defensive of these turd sandwiches of a driver? I mean seriously, they are buggy and they suck balls. It doesn't mean I hate ATI, it doesn't mean these cards suck, and it doesn't mean I am going to switch over to NVIDIA....it means just one thing.......this release fucking sucks. Enough defensiveness and hate. If you have a fix let us know, but don't go just blatantly defending these drivers.
 
y0bailey said:
Why is everyone so defensive of these turd sandwiches of a driver? I mean seriously, they are buggy and they suck balls. It doesn't mean I hate ATI, it doesn't mean these cards suck, and it doesn't mean I am going to switch over to NVIDIA....it means just one thing.......this release fucking sucks. Enough defensiveness and hate. If you have a fix let us know, but don't go just blatantly defending these drivers.
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The driver sucks because it works perfectly for some and not for others? I guess that all drivers suck because there are always people who have problems with the driver eventhough the driver works perfectly for others.
 
darkoroje said:
Removing the X-Fi card did not fix the problem. However, I did a clean installation of Vista on my second hard disk and that works with 8.12. My main hard disk installation does not work and for the life of me I cannot figure out what the difference is, since I installed everything the same on the second hard disk.

The problem is to do with "ATI External Event" service, as soon as that is started, there is a display driver crash and the second card is disabled.Without this service, the drivers will load but 3D does not work. This is different from 8.11, where I can disable the service and the drivers still work.

At this point I think only ATI can fix this, obviously there was a change in 8.12 that is causing problems on some Windows installations. By the way, limiting memory (with msconfig) did not make any difference
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DUDE ! just disable it restart your comp! then install the drivers and enable crossfire and then re-enable event view ! whats so hard with that ??? if you mess around with the crossfire setting while event viewer is running yea it will bsod
but it will work fine if you don't mess with it ! Sure ati should fix this but iam not holding my breath on when. but at least there is a way around it !
 
I just reinstalled Windows and was having a hard tiime getting 8.12s to work. I lowered the memory to 4gigs and now it seems to work.
I wonder however if I can go back to 8gigs now I have it installed?
 
Vermillion said:
Check my sig for the hardware specifics but the quick version is Q9450 on an X48 chipset.
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Ah, then the error is probably likely to occur only on AMD chipsets (I have a 790FX w/9850 cpu). My event log told me nothing and the boot log just showed a continuous retrying of loading the 8.12 driver. It also seemed to block the loading of the network and audio drivers until the ATI driver timed out. Turning off the sound and network devices didn't help either.

Since I have a stopgap solution that should help some people, I don't want to spend any more time tracking this down. That's ATI's job.
 
ATI has found a problem with these drivers and is now officially recommending not to use them with 4850 and Crossfire on Vista 32 and Vista 64. If it does not work with 4850 it probably has a problem with 4870 and 4870x2 as well. Search the ATI knowledge base for article 737-40761. The error occurs on all chipsets and they do not mention anything to do with more than 4GB of memory
 
darkoroje said:
Yes, the drivers work for many people but there are also very many complaints from people for whom they did not work. It probably depends on system configuration and what other devices are installed. However, a good QA department will have a wide range of machines to test the drivers on. My machine is nothing special, an P45 chipset (Asus P5Q), 4GB of memory, Creative X-Fi and 4870x2 and yet the drivers do not work. 8.11 drivers did work, so it is obviously some change ATI has introduced in the latest driver that is causing the problem.

By the way, I am a network driver developer myself so I am well versed in various ways of driver installation. The drivers do install properly, the problem happens during the loading of the driver for one GPU core, and it is probably something to do with resource allocation. I've had a look at System Event Log but have not noticed anything unusual.
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My setup is VERY similar and the drivers work fine for me *shrug*

p5q deluxe p45, Visiontek 4870 X2, 4gb DDR2 1066 Dominator, Creative X-fi

Vista Ultimate x64

Running 8.12's and scoring over 20k in 3dmark06. All games run fine.

I didn't do anything special to install them, uninstalled the old drivers, ran driver sweeper, rebooted, ran 8.12 install, rebooted, happiness.
 
alg7_munif said:
Go to nVidia forum and you will see the same thing? ;)
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Nope those nvidia forums don't mention Catalyst 8.12 issues!

Look at my sig and tell me if I would care about Nvidia at all anymore.

My vid cards are/were 4870, 4850, 3870, 2600XT, X1600PRO.
 
killerbobjr said:
Ah, then the error is probably likely to occur only on AMD chipsets (I have a 790FX w/9850 cpu). My event log told me nothing and the boot log just showed a continuous retrying of loading the 8.12 driver. It also seemed to block the loading of the network and audio drivers until the ATI driver timed out. Turning off the sound and network devices didn't help either.

Since I have a stopgap solution that should help some people, I don't want to spend any more time tracking this down. That's ATI's job.
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True it is ATI's job but there are some things that ATI can't duplicate when it comes to certain things like the overclock of a system which is why they ask that type of thing on the Driver Feedback page.

How many people are having problems with a 790FX (or any chipset for that matter) have pushed their Hypertransport or their FSB to crazy levels or pushed that Phenom/C2D/C2Q to crazy levels? What happens if somebody puts their system back to stock? Does it install correctly then?

Does Catalyst still install the SouthBridge filter driver? I know it did in the past so maybe that's conflicting? Have you tried installing 8.12 without allowing it to update that portion of the driver if it still does that?

There's lots of other things that can be tried and any information found and sent to the ATI guys (they still read they just don't post very often) over at Rage3D will get looked at pretty quick and that could mean a faster fix for those with issues. I miss people like Terry Makedon posting over at Rage3D but when you have nothing but asshats that want to complain instead of getting help and flame the people trying to help them we know how long that lasts.
 
Vermillion said:
How many people are having problems with a 790FX (or any chipset for that matter) have pushed their Hypertransport or their FSB to crazy levels or pushed that Phenom/C2D/C2Q to crazy levels?
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Mine is all stock with the latest chipset drivers. I even did a complete reinstall of Vista x64 SP1 and still couldn't get the driver to load.

I just now installed the latest 8.12 hotfix for 2xxx/3xxx AGP cards and wouldn't you know it, the 8GB problem is gone now. They probably quietly fixed the memory addressing bug in that hotfix. Fortunately, dealing with this bug this only sucked up a day and a half of my time, rather than the usual week I sometimes end up spending when something fails.
 
I have a 790fx chipset w/ a 3870 video card and I am having the problem w/ 8gigs of ram, I was unable to install the 8.12s as well as the 8.10s. after successfully installing the drivers by using MSCONFIG to limit ram to 4 gigs I was unable to return to 8gigs without having problems.

Really sucks I can't use all my ram, I paid good money for it and have 1/2 of it disabled.
 
im still stuck with 8.9 and im satisfied. Once i updated to 8.10 and i got stuck in serious problem...:p ...now im afraid of all new drivers :(
 
killerbobjr said:
For those of you getting a Code 43 error with the 8.12 drivers on a Vista x64 system, please read below:


The 8.12 driver seems to have a memory addressing bug for any installed memory above 4GB. You have to set the maximum memory Vista can use to 4GB. To do this in Vista x64 -

1. Start "msconfig" (without the quotes) from the Run menu under the Start button.
2. Click the Boot tab, then the Advanced options button.
3. Make sure Maximum memory is checked and set the value to 4096, then click OK.
4. Click OK again, then reboot.

This causes Vista to utilize only 4GB and to ignore the rest and allows the 8.12 driver to work. This is obviously a temporary fix until ATI releases a hot patch to fix the problem. (Keep a note to yourself somewhere to uncheck the setting when you update the driver).
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I wonder if this is my problem. I have 8 gigs with Vista 64
 
the 8.12 hotfix still hangs my system when i try and watch tv. 8.11 doesn't

 
No issues here running 8.12 on my single 4850 on XP32. My process is simply: uninstall the drivers using the utility in Add/Remove programs, then install the new drivers.

Noticed enough performance increase in Fallout 3 to boost my AA from 2x to 4x, and still maintain smooth framerate! Great release, ATI!

EDIT: I take it back: the framerate was high enough everywhere except Rivet City, so I had to bump it back down again. Still, the game feels smoother than before, even in Rivet City.
 
Vista64, HD4870X2, 12gb of ram, 8.12's run perfect.

Only problem I've had is 3dMark Vantage's water in the first graphics test being all bugged out, but that's just a bench anyway. Left4Dead plays like butter @ 1920x1200/8xaa/16xaf, Crysis Warhead actual runs pretty awesome @ 1920x1200/Enthusiast. Fallout3 and Farcry2 were both rock solid as well.
 
Vista x64, 2 x HD4850 in Crossfire, 8.12 (non-hotfix) working very well. I did a clean install and disabled the ATI External Event service before rebooting
 
Running one 4850, got a 10-15fps improvement in Far Cry 2 and 10 fps improvement in Crysis Warhead. No issues to report. My buddy paid $500 for his 8800 Ultra when it first came out, and I bought this 4850 for $105 open box at newegg and he is pssed I get better frames than him. I don't blame him for being pssed, I would be too if I spent $500 on a card :)
 
DWade said:
Running one 4850, got a 10-15fps improvement in Far Cry 2 and 10 fps improvement in Crysis Warhead. No issues to report. My buddy paid $500 for his 8800 Ultra when it first came out, and I bought this 4850 for $105 open box at newegg and he is pssed I get better frames than him. I don't blame him for being pssed, I would be too if I spent $500 on a card :)
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You are comparing your graphic card w/ a 2 year old graphic card. I do not think it is a fair comparison.
 
the ultra was pretty much a waste anyway, compared to the gtx..
 
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