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Carmack digs the NV40!!!

lol sorry im just in a shit starting mood :p i dont really think your a fan boy, but the fact is that the only reason nv will run the game better then ATI is because it was designed to run on the NV hardware, like whats in the Xbox


and what are you talking about? OFCOURSE it matters what card is Doom 3 is optimized for, its gonna be one of the biggest releases for years past and maybe to come, same with HL2 and yea Quack 3 does run better on Intel HW does it not? no one is saying AMD OR intel is better, no one is saying NV or ATI is better, Personaly now I'd get a 9800 over any fx series card, simply because it fits my needs better, and from the looks of it things seem to be shaping up to
NV runs OGL better and ATI Runs DX9 Better, if CS2.0 is coming out on the HL2 Engine then its gonnna be a Dx9 game, and cs1.6 i get 100fps even in 5-6 smoke gernades so it really doesnt matter what card i go with there. either way it looks like a trend is starting and im just speculating on how it might go with the current games that are to be released.
 
Originally posted by defiant
Im a fan boy because I stated a fact? According to Carmack, NV hardware will run doom 3 better than ATI. I didnt say that nvidia was the be and all and end all of all video cards, and neither do i hold that belief. In the end I will get the card that provides the best bang for buck in terms of performance. Thus I would suggest that you remove your head from your arse and learn to read between the lines you dildo head.
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My question is how do you know it will run better?....the card isnt released at all....just because carmack said it will run better doesnt mean it will...how about we all WAIT for benchmarks etc then base your decisions off of that....so carmack said it rocked! but why did they show doom3 on a 9700pro and 9800pro?......
 
what do you mean, "wait for benchmarks" we already have them, they were posted by H and several other sites.
 
Where did you see benchmarks on R420? I seem to have missed something.
 
Originally posted by onetwo
Yes, the mind behind the last decade-plus of first person 3d engine work isn't qualified to give an educated and trusted opinion on a graphics card :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I guess he did all of this for free all out of the goodness of his heart also, by himself, and without any peers who work for companies who will try to get money out of every orifice of the consumer?
 
Ok, I have a simple question. If a game runs both Open GL and Direct 3D but runs like shit in Open GL why not just run the game in Direct 3D?
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Cause D3D sucks. And OpenGL is t3h prettay!!
 
Originally posted by Sir-Fragalot
Where did you see benchmarks on R420? I seem to have missed something.
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I was refering to the nv30 vs r300 argument, not the nv40 vs. r420 argument
 
Originally posted by M4d-K10wN
Cause D3D sucks. And OpenGL is t3h prettay!!
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heh are you talking about like Counterstrike D3D? have you even SEEN the new dx9 games? hmm like the ever so pretty prince of persia? and farcry ^.^ Ut, Duece Ex 2. I dunno man :s what kinda crack your on right now but DX9 is ahead of ogl1.2 until 2.0 is in more use then Dx9 IS THE PRETTAY! :p
 
opengl is still around. hell its not good as DX9 but it doesnt mean its bad AT ALL.
 
OGL2 > DX9.
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Perhaps in your opinion.

The fact remains that DirectX is standardized and not open, which means game developers don't have to support a crapload of proprietary extensions and test on many hardware configurations just to get the game to run properly most of the time.

Or have you not experienced the joy that is running NWN on an ATi card?

"ATi can't do shiny water, they just can't"
(months later)
"Whoops! Just kidding! We meant ATI can't do shiny water using the proprietary nvidia shiny water extension, ehehehehehe!!! Fixed!"
 
OGL2 is unified, Carmack worked very hard to campaign for the end of the split of the api.
 
OGL2 is unified, Carmack worked very hard to campaign for the end of the split of the api.
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Interesting.
Then I shall look forward to the day when entry-level and legacy graphics cards support OGL2 to the extent that developers do not have to write a legacy codepath.
 
heh are you talking about like Counterstrike D3D? have you even SEEN the new dx9 games? hmm like the ever so pretty prince of persia? and farcry ^.^ Ut, Duece Ex 2. I dunno man :s what kinda crack your on right now but DX9 is ahead of ogl1.2 until 2.0 is in more use then Dx9 IS THE PRETTAY! :p
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Counterstrike SUCKS.
I play Urban Terror, and being a Quake III mod it's OpenGL-only. I also play Warcraft III, and it looks so much prettier in OpenGL mode. All those rough edges get rounded, not no mention the lightning and particle effects improve, and the performance actually goes up, of all things! I can run it at a higher resolution thanks to OpenGL (and i do it on a 466-celeron). Besides that, all new games are shitty and boring. Honestly, who would want to play a game that's so difficult any four year old can beat it with one finger? Not to mention so easy to get good at all you need is two solid days of playing, and so unbalanced, playing it becomes a nuisance over the first hour online?? Sadly, most new games fit into all of those categories, unless they are made by EA. In which case, you're pretty sure they come with even more strangeness to them. BF1942, for example, a game made by people who like pretty colors, for people who like pretty colors. The gameplay is shit. It's so fucking boring, i quit it and started up Gunbound, of all things. Even take Warcraft III (a game i play). I only play it once in a while, because every time i get so sick of it, i don't want ot see it for a month. I don't know what it is. All new games come with cutting-edge graphics, but they fail to contain an ounce of fun in them. Hell, i can have way more fun if i were to download Quake II from KaZaA.
 
Originally posted by SadExchange
Dashit
Do you mean, why "didn't" they show it on a 9700 or 9800?
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2001 E3 doom3 was shown on a 9700pro,

also, 2002 doom3 was shown on a 9800pro.


So yes it has been shown on ATI hardware.

DASHlT
 
To go back to the comment about NWN, does the ATI card show the shiny water, if I get a 9800 XT, will I have the shiny water? I've been stuck on a Geforce MX420 for so long and when I upgrade I wanna play some of my older games with everything turned up.
 
Originally posted by SadExchange
To go back to the comment about NWN, does the ATI card show the shiny water, if I get a 9800 XT, will I have the shiny water? I've been stuck on a Geforce MX420 for so long and when I upgrade I wanna play some of my older games with everything turned up.
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Yes it does show the shiny water, but I really don't think it looks good, the non-shiny water looks more nautral to me with the NWN surroundings
 
Looking back reveals comedy.

Arguments re: R300 and NV30 on which
plays the next gen games.

Funny -> there is no next gen game, rather we
are now seeing another wave of 'next gen video card'.

/hehe
 
Originally posted by SnakEyez187
In terms of how many years it will be delayed, yes.
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supposedly its going to be finalized this summer...



supposedly...
 
Originally posted by thylantyr
Looking back reveals comedy.

Arguments re: R300 and NV30 on which
plays the next gen games.

Funny -> there is no next gen game, rather we
are now seeing another wave of 'next gen video card'.

/hehe
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No next gen games? Umm, UT2k4, Farcry, SC2 (to a degree). Smoke much? :)

Cheers,

Mr. Pain
 
FarCry is pretty demanding. I would consider it a next-gen game.
 
Originally posted by obs
FarCry is pretty demanding. I would consider it a next-gen game.
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How demanding is demanding in your books?

How well do the GF4 cards perform with DX9??? I have been out of the loop for a bit now.
 
geforce 4 cards don't support dx9, so the game doesn't use the dx9 shaders with it.
 
Originally posted by zupadupa
How demanding is demanding in your books?

How well do the GF4 cards perform with DX9??? I have been out of the loop for a bit now.
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It's difficult to benchmark apples to apples in gaves that use various pixel shader levels.

So lets set a generalization. Let's say How well does this perform on PS 1.4/2.0 cards? With all the bells n' whistles on?

Well, lets say it can bring current gen cards to their knees at resolutions above 1024x768 with 2xAA and 16xAF on. And let me say this game is absolutely beautiful.
 
To go back to the comment about NWN, does the ATI card show the shiny water, if I get a 9800 XT, will I have the shiny water?
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Yeah it does now. Bioware claimed that it just wasn't possible to do for some time after the game came out, but they lied.

The game still looks better overall on nvidia hardware IMO, but it's the only game I own that does.
 
Originally posted by leukotriene
Yeah it does now. Bioware claimed that it just wasn't possible to do for some time after the game came out, but they lied.

The game still looks better overall on nvidia hardware IMO, but it's the only game I own that does.
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I think bioware coded that game with a lot of proprietary NV codepaths, hence why the game has always had problems running on ATI cards.

Only real problem I experienced with this game on my 9700pro was some occasional texture flickering at certain camera angles..


Cheers,

Mr. Pain
 
Only real problem I experienced with this game on my 9700pro was some occasional texture flickering at certain camera angles..
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I haven't noticed any problems with my 9800 Pro, but the game did look better all around on my older GeForces, but it's hard to put my finger on just what it was that made it that way.

Bioware certainly coded the game largely for nV hardware, which bit them in the ass pretty badly IMO. I'll be wary of purchasing further products from them after the shiny water fiasco.
 
Originally posted by leukotriene
I haven't noticed any problems with my 9800 Pro, but the game did look better all around on my older GeForces, but it's hard to put my finger on just what it was that made it that way.

Bioware certainly coded the game largely for nV hardware, which bit them in the ass pretty badly IMO. I'll be wary of purchasing further products from them after the shiny water fiasco.
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I think they redeemed themselves with the awesome KOTOR :)

That thing ran like a charm on my system @ 1600x1200 full detail 2xAA 16xAF. MMMMm MmmmmmM Good..
 
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