to the point: my daughter is 15, and always on her laptop. Her grades have fallen, and as a father, I am concerned about her online activities. Is there a way to capture her wireless traffic to monitor where she goes and to capture her user-names and passwords. Yes, I do want to access her email just as a concern. I currently have a Netgear WNDR3700, and her laptop is a dell Inspiron 1525. I am on a desktop wired directly to the router. I currently have WPA2-PSK, but I can disable the security for a day or 2 to make capturing info easier.
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Yes because talking to 15 year old's always works... /facepalm, hes not here for ethical advise, just technical.
What you could do is access your router and block the major networking sites like facebook and myspace and such, or possibly use wireshark to watch the packet traffic.
I have a 12 year old and she does the same thing.
I have a key logger installed on the machine and she knows that until she turns 18 anything she does on the internet is under my control and belongs to me. If she doesn't like it then she won't use the computer. PERIOD!
I keep track of every where she goes and have all her passwords. If for some reason she decides that she doesn't want me to have access I will either look it up in the key logger or disable access to the internet or computer all together.. I login and check her history on a regular basis, just to make sure I know where she's going. If I find anything I don't like I tell her not to go there and then block the site using the hosts file.
So far the only sites I block are the porn sites which she hasn't tried to get to but, her friends have. I also have a domain setup so I can control when she can login to the computer.
Oh and teen age kids esp girls, do not talk to their parents. If they do, they give only the minimal amount of information possible.
I have a key logger installed on the machine and she knows that until she turns 18 anything she does on the internet is under my control and belongs to me. If she doesn't like it then she won't use the computer. PERIOD!
I keep track of every where she goes and have all her passwords. If for some reason she decides that she doesn't want me to have access I will either look it up in the key logger or disable access to the internet or computer all together.. I login and check her history on a regular basis, just to make sure I know where she's going. If I find anything I don't like I tell her not to go there and then block the site using the hosts file.
So far the only sites I block are the porn sites which she hasn't tried to get to but, her friends have. I also have a domain setup so I can control when she can login to the computer.
Oh and teen age kids esp girls, do not talk to their parents. If they do, they give only the minimal amount of information possible.
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No, don't. If she ever finds out she's probably never going to trust you again, and there will be a long time period of hatred. Seriously, you don't want to deal with that.
If you want to get through to her, restrict or take away her internet access until she gets her grades up and DO NOT budge.
Wow, control much? Just use opendns or your router, and block porn and inappropriate sites.
I said I can do all this, I do check where she goes but, I normally don't check on her unless she give me reason. I just make sure I have things in place in case I need it.
Shes a good girls and has not given me a reason to check behind her and I hope she never does.
I'm not going to be one of those parents where, when something does happen, all they can say is IDK I didn't pay attention to what she was doing. Especially being a technically advanced as I am compared to anyone else I know.
Shes a good girls and has not given me a reason to check behind her and I hope she never does.
I'm not going to be one of those parents where, when something does happen, all they can say is IDK I didn't pay attention to what she was doing. Especially being a technically advanced as I am compared to anyone else I know.
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if he blocks at the router or uses opendns than how is he supposed to get his fix?
Hmm, can't quite see how anything above gives him a usable answer to his specific question... about time for one.
It isn't possible. You can't just "sniff" the wireless traffic to pickup facebook, email, im passwords. Dependent on what site/method of access, it will most likely be sent via ssl. The best way to do this is to purchase some sort of spyware app like net nanny, pc tattletale, spector, etc... They run completely silent and can send you email updates. With the spector software, you can setup shares and try to hide them and add a hidden admin username. This would allow you to directly remote monitor in real time from your pc.
Of course, every single app up there will fail if your teen is tech savyy or runs certain malware app scans blindly. Haven't seen one teen screw it up yet though, but i've seen some funny attempts for those that knew they were being monitored. I have had success with spector and pc tattletale. I have never setup net nanny so I can't comment on how well it works.
It isn't possible. You can't just "sniff" the wireless traffic to pickup facebook, email, im passwords. Dependent on what site/method of access, it will most likely be sent via ssl. The best way to do this is to purchase some sort of spyware app like net nanny, pc tattletale, spector, etc... They run completely silent and can send you email updates. With the spector software, you can setup shares and try to hide them and add a hidden admin username. This would allow you to directly remote monitor in real time from your pc.
Of course, every single app up there will fail if your teen is tech savyy or runs certain malware app scans blindly. Haven't seen one teen screw it up yet though, but i've seen some funny attempts for those that knew they were being monitored. I have had success with spector and pc tattletale. I have never setup net nanny so I can't comment on how well it works.
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Honestly I think it's a bad idea, but if you want to check up on her you could always set up this, Tight VNC. I haven't played around with it too much, but you setup a server in which the other computer connects to. You can then view and take control of their computer. Not exactly sure how you could do this indiscreetly, however it's just an idea.
you can set DNS on the computer also
bypassing the DHCP handed dns server addressyou can set DNS on the computer also
And then you as the loving, concerned parent can set the router to take all traffic destined to port 53 and forward it to OpenDNS's servers. Then you could put in a rule that allowed your pc's IP to use whichever dns server you wanted. If your kid figures out how to tunnel DNS to get around the port block, good luck...
No, don't. If she ever finds out she's probably never going to trust you again, and there will be a long time period of hatred. Seriously, you don't want to deal with that.
If you want to get through to her, restrict or take away her internet access until she gets her grades up and DO NOT budge.
Wow, control much? Just use opendns or your router, and block porn and inappropriate sites.
I agree, sorry to stray from your question... but if my parents ever did this to me, i wouldnt trust them. You should talk to them and try and get an open form of communication. If they do bad, don't just punish them, talk to them about what they did. They won't do bad that much..
If you just PUNISH a child they won't learn. They'll rebel. but if you DISCUSS their actions (hey they are kids they are GONNA get in trouble) then you can be on their level, and they won't try and hide the "fuck-ups" anymore.
As for the logging... a keylogger might work better then a wireless capture, as the wireless capture DOESNT exactly work as you may think. Its doable but its a lot of raw data
And not trusting your child and doing things like this always work.
In any event, if you have a wireless AP connected to a switch that can do port mirroring, you can mirror the port where the AP is connected to where your computer is connected. Then you can run a sniffer program and it'll capture all data from the wireless AP port.
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A keylogger and some flavor of VNC to allow you to watch in real-time should be sufficient. Don't do it in secret and surprise her with it should you ever find a problem, though. Tell her up front that it's there and tell her on what conditions you might be checking up on her.
As for people saying don't do this: Either they are lucky enough that their children have never gotten into any serious trouble, they don't KNOW that their kids are getting into trouble, or they don't have kids. In any case, you should remember that there is no one-size-fits-all parenting solutions. What works for you and your kids (if you have them) may not work for anyone else in the world.
One last thought: this is NOT an invasion of her privacy. She's using internet paid for by her parents, most likely on a computer paid for by her parents. They may be held responsible for her actions online and if anything bad DOES happen, the first question half of us will ask is, where were the parents when all this was going down? It's the job of the parent to know what the child is doing. Twenty years ago they could do that by watching and talking to other parents. Now the internet has given kids a way to meet and communicate at any time without any parental supervision.
As for people saying don't do this: Either they are lucky enough that their children have never gotten into any serious trouble, they don't KNOW that their kids are getting into trouble, or they don't have kids. In any case, you should remember that there is no one-size-fits-all parenting solutions. What works for you and your kids (if you have them) may not work for anyone else in the world.
One last thought: this is NOT an invasion of her privacy. She's using internet paid for by her parents, most likely on a computer paid for by her parents. They may be held responsible for her actions online and if anything bad DOES happen, the first question half of us will ask is, where were the parents when all this was going down? It's the job of the parent to know what the child is doing. Twenty years ago they could do that by watching and talking to other parents. Now the internet has given kids a way to meet and communicate at any time without any parental supervision.