Canon EOS 350D

[darktiger]

Does anyone have or tried out the Canon EOS 350D? A lot of reviews say it is almost like the 20D but a lot less.

 

[[TQ]]

It's a lot like hte 20D in regards to the sensor. Great ISO performance, 8mp, color etc.

It is NOT a 20D though, the focusing is better then the 300D but not near the 20D, same withs hutter speed.

It's a great LITTLE camera.

 

[nweibley]

It's a lot like hte 20D in regards to the sensor. Great ISO performance, 8mp, color etc.

It is NOT a 20D though, the focusing is better then the 300D but not near the 20D, same withs hutter speed.

It's a great LITTLE camera.

I disagree. It is good with AFing, as good as an amature or prosumer needs because if it does not get AF right on the first try it almost certainly will on the second, and it is much quicker.

The viewfinder is not quite as big and bright, and there are 2 less AF points, but I typically AF lock with the center (and most accurate AF point) and then recompose. The biggest drawback, IMHO is the lack of 5fps sustained shooting. If you shoot primarily sports or those extra 2 frames a second matter, the 20D is a must. For me, they were not (although I still shoot alot of sports) and 3fps with a fast CF card is more than enough.


The 350D is definitely alot closer to the 20D than the 300D was to the 10D. In fact, I would say it is alot closer than the $600 gap they have, but whatever, I'll let canon price it how they want. Go pick one up and if you find the size/grip attractive (like me) than get it if you wont miss a super quick continuous shooting mode or magnesium (alloy?) body. I actually think the newer plastics are probably superior in some respects though.

 

[[TQ]]

I disagree. It is good with AFing, as good as an amature or prosumer needs because if it does not get AF right on the first try it almost certainly will on the second, and it is much quicker.

The viewfinder is not quite as big and bright, and there are 2 less AF points, but I typically AF lock with the center (and most accurate AF point) and then recompose. The biggest drawback, IMHO is the lack of 5fps sustained shooting. If you shoot primarily sports or those extra 2 frames a second matter, the 20D is a must. For me, they were not (although I still shoot alot of sports) and 3fps with a fast CF card is more than enough.


The 350D is definitely alot closer to the 20D than the 300D was to the 10D. In fact, I would say it is alot closer than the $600 gap they have, but whatever, I'll let canon price it how they want. Go pick one up and if you find the size/grip attractive (like me) than get it if you wont miss a super quick continuous shooting mode or magnesium (alloy?) body. I actually think the newer plastics are probably superior in some respects though.

I guess your entitled to your opinion, doesnt mean it's a very good one.

Based on what you told me, you shoot still objects. That is not a very hard task for any AF to focus on. The true test of how good a camera can focus is its ability to track a moving object, or it's ability to change from one subject to another (when you want it to).

PS. Your method of focusing, and recomposing, is going to lead to out of focus shots.

 

[[nCn]Preacher]

It is a great camera.

If you are a pro and know how to squeeze the last little erg of performance out fo your camera, then you should go all out and get the 1Ds MKII, but for the rest of us who love the art and are not highly paid professiona photographers, the 350D (or the XT here in the US) is a fantastic camera that takes really great pictures.

 

[nweibley]

I guess your entitled to your opinion, doesnt mean it's a very good one.

Based on what you told me, you shoot still objects. That is not a very hard task for any AF to focus on. The true test of how good a camera can focus is its ability to track a moving object, or it's ability to change from one subject to another (when you want it to).

PS. Your method of focusing, and recomposing, is going to lead to out of focus shots.

I guess sports subjects are not moving objects. I guess the theory of relativity should have told me that.

How silly of me.

I shoot moving subjects all the time you asshat. I thank god my 350D has AI Servo.

My method of focusing and recomposing is going to lead to out of focus shots with fast lenses wide open at close distances. Which is when I don't use that method.

 

[[TQ]]

Asshat?

Right...very mature.

I forgot, since you own a 350D it is the best camera on the face of the earth, it is the only camera anyone needs unless they work for SI.

Is the focus great? yes...cameras have come a long way.

However it is not all that fast.

I have used it
I have used a 300D
I have used a 10D
I have used a 20D
I have used a 1D

I know what i'm talking about...the 350 is an excelent camera, but the 20D's AF is far superior, much like the 1D and 1D MKII are far superior to the 20D. Enough to make a difference to the average consumre? Perhaps not...only he can tell.

 

[nweibley]

Asshat?

Right...very mature.

I forgot, since you own a 350D it is the best camera on the face of the earth, it is the only camera anyone needs unless they work for SI.

Is the focus great? yes...cameras have come a long way.

However it is not all that fast.

I have used it
I have used a 300D
I have used a 10D
I have used a 20D
I have used a 1D

I know what i'm talking about...the 350 is an excelent camera, but the 20D's AF is far superior, much like the 1D and 1D MKII are far superior to the 20D. Enough to make a difference to the average consumre? Perhaps not...only he can tell.

....

The 300D uses a 7 point Multi-BASIS TTL AF system.
The 350D uses a 7 point Multi-BASIS TTL AF system.
The 20D uses a 9 point Multi-BASIS TTL AF system.
The 1Ds Mark II uses a TTL-AREA-SIR AF system.

The 350D and 20D AF systems are not vastly different nor does the 20D have some other method of AF... just more points. Both are DIGIC II, both offer AI Servo.

The 20D probably has a better focusing screen... thats about it.


I have used both with the same EF-S 17-85 USM IS lens.... both focused extremely quick, but the 20D did not focus any quicker than the 350D. Tough cookies.

 

[[TQ]]

I'm not saying the 350 is slow, i'm saying it isnt as fast as the 20D which is what the intial question was.


I hadnt even done any research before this thread, but with a 30 second search i found another person who agrees with me. But, since you own the 350D it must be as good as any other camera out there no matter the price difference.
http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/eos_digital_rebel_xt_vs_20d.html#same

 

[nweibley]

I'm not saying the 350 is slow, i'm saying it isnt as fast as the 20D which is what the intial question was.


I hadnt even done any research before this thread, but with a 30 second search i found another person who agrees with me. But, since you own the 350D it must be as good as any other camera out there no matter the price difference.
http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/eos_digital_rebel_xt_vs_20d.html#same

Wow I don't know why you are so egotistical and confrontational on the internet... maybe it is because it is alot easier to type something as opposed to saying it to my face... but your attitude is all over the photography forum.... the shutter speed thread comes to mind.

Anyways, I am suggesting a more practical approach. Evaluate both cameras and ask yourself if the $600 price difference justifies the few extras that the 20D offers. For most users, I would wager the answer is no. The fact that I own a 350D holds no bearing on what I think is appropriate or the best. I also own a 10D and a Sony P150, but out of all of them my 350D is the one I use the most. The fact is the advantages of the 20D over the 350D are slight and often insignificant for most.

This guy is asking this question on [H]ard forums... and he is asking it. A person with minimal knowledge of the cameras beyond what review say, and little knowledge of the differences (if any) is unlikely to utilize or notice any of the advanced features that the 20D offers. Maybe the faster continous shooting speed, and maybe the magnesium body.... thats about all I would say the average joe is going to notice.


Once again I say: you are an amature. Save your money and buy better glass... learn on the 350D (exposure, composition, etc) and get some glass you can put on a better body in the future when you know gobs more about photography. For right now, don't blow your cash on something you don't know how to use, which will likely be outdated/outclassed by the time you do know how to use it.

 

[FLECOM]

the AF on both cameras is going to be pretty good, the 20D adds more AF points, but they have pretty much the same system... anyway chances are unles you have L lenses your not going to notice a huge difference in AF speed...

i havent used the 350D but i have used the 10D/20D and found it faster than the 300D, dunno what thats worth... anyway they are all slow compared to the 1D which im much happier with

anyway, lets all get along plz

 

[Steak]

20D with kit lens for $1319 at Costco.com might help choosing over the XT a bit easier.

 

[[TQ]]

the AF on both cameras is going to be pretty good, the 20D adds more AF points, but they have pretty much the same system... anyway chances are unles you have L lenses your not going to notice a huge difference in AF speed...

i havent used the 350D but i have used the 10D/20D and found it faster than the 300D, dunno what thats worth... anyway they are all slow compared to the 1D which im much happier with

anyway, lets all get along plz

The EOS 20D provides full cross-type performance with maximum apertures as small as f5.6, yet it achieves up to 3 times the standard focusing precision when used with EF lenses featuring maximum apertures larger than or equal to f/2.8. The autofocus system of the Digital Rebel XT is inherited from the film Rebel XT body and has normal precision f5.6 sensors.

 

[HorsePunchKid]

The EOS 20D provides full cross-type performance...

Quoted without attribution from here (the link [TQ] posted above), for those who were curious. I thought the tone didn't sound quite right...

 

[[TQ]]

Quoted without attribution from here (the link [TQ] posted above), for those who were curious. I thought the tone didn't sound quite right...

I tried to quote it but then it was gonna make me say other stuff.

In no way do i take credit for that

 

[michaelkahl]

It is a great camera.

If you are a pro and know how to squeeze the last little erg of performance out fo your camera, then you should go all out and get the 1Ds MKII, but for the rest of us who love the art and are not highly paid professiona photographers, the 350D (or the XT here in the US) is a fantastic camera that takes really great pictures.

I will challenge you on this statement...please forgive me for not reading past this statement but it caught my eye.

Cameras are tools, and there are many cameras, even cheap instamatics or p&s digitals that can breathtaking images that you would guess were taken with a high end camera. The reason for this is not so much the camera but the photographer or person behind the camera. It's all about know how to use what you have to make great images.

I'm not saying that you are contradicting what I'm saying just trying to make it a more complete thought. This is not to say it isn't a fantastic camera either because I'm sure it is. To many times people think it's all about the camera or the lens but it's more the person behind it who knows how to use it. Upgrading to a high end camera won't yeild professional results if you don't know how photography works and it's basic principles.
What ever camera you use don't get into the bigger is better syndrome....make the most of your current equipment and if you feel you've out grown it then upgrade to something a little more challenging to learn. And give yourself time to learn because going from a P&S that does all the post processing in camera to a DSLR that requires you do more of the PP may be frustraiting because your images aren't what you expect from the camera.
Remember when someone see's your photo they shouldn't see your camera, unless it's a shameless self portrait in the mirror

 

[darktiger]

Is it worth upgrading to a Rebel XT 8.0mp from a Sony F717, if you love photography?

 

[nweibley]

Is it worth upgrading to a Rebel XT 8.0mp from a Sony F717, if you love photography?

Do you feel limited by the F717? Does the fact that the lens on the 717 exhibits relatively high CA bother you? Do you wish the 717s lenses were interchangeable and do you have money to burn? If so, maybe. If not, probably not.