Calling Logitechfreak

[thelazyone22]

I have been lurking around this thread for a while now, and now that Prentice is being implicated I thought maybe I should share some things for better or worse.

It's great and all everyone wants to play detective and all, especially FTL lol... , but again, this thread is 13 pages long already and Logitechfreak's last response already got lost in the flurry.

The consensus right now seems to be file Paypal Disputes/Claims ASAP and assume the worst. If you need help with Paypal, I'm sure Vertigo/Malcolm or some other prominent trader would be glad to help you along.

In any case, I would be interested to see what he has to say for himself if he decides to pop up again. Again, I got a VOLUNTARY REFUND, so all hope may not be lost.

 

[BlackLight]

I just created a dispute and escalated it for a video card I bought from him a couple of days ago. I hope all of us get the money we were ripped off. Thankfully my transaction was only $10.

 

[Prentice]

you guys are getting off base here... I am who I say that I am.

He told me to get heat after we were talking about our deal and then submitted the wrong heat for me. I pmed and op and told them what happened on here. I will show the pm. I am in texas by the way and have $100 dollars in his paypal account for a part that I wont get.


Dont start on me for this guys actions. If a mod needs to I will give you my home number and you can call.

 

[Vertigo Acid]

Look at Prentice's date that he joined: Nov. 11th
Look at the few post's he has done: All in the For Sale/Trade Forum
Look at how old Prentice's heatware is: Nov. 11th
Look at the only other Heatware member listed under Prentice's Account: It's LogitechFreak

Too many coincidences. They could just be coincidences, but they still need to be investigated.

The scammer is jumping ID's, Email's, etc. all the time, and also using multiple accounts to give himself positive ratings.
This is no 19 year old living with his parents, that is a lie too. Just re-read his posts.
They sound like someone grasping for straws. He mentions using a "Maiden name"? WTF? Is this a woman or a man?

Mods, you need to investigate each and every account that has any connection with this guy, including everyone here that is or isn't complaining. A simple WHOIS will determine if they are legit or not.

1. His join date is Nov 1st, not the 11th.
2. He joined, bought one thing from LF, and left an eval. Not a coincidence at all. We get n00bies all the time that join just to buy or sell things.
3. I think LF tried to explain the maiden name bit, relating to parental divorce. Fits with the moving around bit too.
4. WHOIS isn't related at all to the situation. IP WHOIS is only going to have the location of the owner of the IP block, which doesn't generally correspond at all with the location of the person who has been assigned that IP by their ISP. If you're talking about looking at login IPs and comparing to geographical location, then yes of course we do this, but it isn't a science. I'm well versed in this sort of thing; I used to manage abuse at a major domain registrar/hosting company.

Come on VA, this isn't rocket science. I guess I will explain again.

What was his account name that he was banned under previously?

Darkside50420

What was his AIM for his previously banned account?

Darkside50420

What was his previous heatware account?

darkninja420 & Darkside50420

What was his previous MSN account?

bowlofweed420@hotmail.com

Combine all of that with the fact that Prentince registered here on Nov 11 and posted a positive heatware eval for Logitech the same day. That doesn't seem suspect?

Then combine that with Prentince used the prentice420@sbcglobal.net email address.

A simple check of your logs can confirm/deny this.

You assume I didn't already to a "simple check of logs" before posting. Unless you've got something more than a hunch and slightly similar e-mail addresses, I'm sure prentince would appreciate you ceasing the name smear.

This forum is running vbulletin. If he logs in from the same location with a different username, he'll trip the AE detector. The mod will know right away if it's the same guy. Now while this has it limitations, it's fairly reliable in catching multiple users from the same location.

vBull does no such thing. vBull does log IP addresses, but there isn't a magic alarm that goes off. I've looked into this, and I'm confident in this regard. Proxies are of course a possibility, but there's nothing we can do about that.

I already emailed Officer Gaston (as shown in anand link) but hasnt got any reply back yet and did the FBI Internet Fraud thing. Is that what you mean?

E-mails get ignored. Call.




I'm here simply playing devil's advocate. I will not let this thread turn into townspeople with torches and pitchforks, running over anyone that gets in their way. There are multiple people who have had successful deals with LF, and it's not their fault that they didn't get screwed. Dragging them down does no good.

 

[thelazyone22]

I'm here simply playing devil's advocate. I will not let this thread turn into townspeople with torches and pitchforks, running over anyone that gets in their way. There are multiple people who have had successful deals with LF, and it's not their fault that they didn't get screwed. Dragging them down does no good.

Well said. It's always nice to know you're lurking around here, Vertigo/Malcom/whatever.

 

[bigk]

It's great and all everyone wants to play detective and all, especially FTL lol... , but again, this thread is 13 pages long already and Logitechfreak's last response already got lost in the flurry.

Who is playing detective, I'm merely stating facts that both prentice and logitechfreak contacted about items I had FS and that in a round about way they are connected somehow.

You are in the minority of people on this thread in that you did get your money back, I personally have not been scammed by him but almost fell for another guy on another forum so I do empathize with the crowd.

EDIT- Just read Prentice post, and if in fact he is not logitech then I do apologize for even hinting you two were associated. It just seemed fishy.

 

[thelazyone22]

Who is playing detective, I'm merely stating facts that both prentice and logitechfreak contacted about items I had FS and that in a round about way they are connected somehow.

You are in the minority of people on this thread in that you did get your money back, I personally have not been scammed by him but almost fell for another guy on another forum so I do empathize with the crowd.

Read Malcolm/Vertigo's post. I second that Prentice or anyone for that matter would not appreciate baseless name-smearing based on "coincidence".

If you're not involved personally, I don't see why you feel the need to join the "pitchfork and torch" mob.

 

[Newbi]

I don't beleive prentence and logitechfreak is the same person... lets just concentrate on the main topic...

 

[Prentice]

Its cool everyone is coming together on this but I just got scammed out of $100( Possibly if he doesnt ship today ) and now some people are getting a little overboard. I totally understand and cant say anything about it because when a guy posted earlier in the thread someone made a comment about " you just regg'd here and now you say you got a case from him" I actually tried to track down his name and stuff from his FS thread. But I did not know what BPC or tZ was so... yea.. he was legit anyway.

Honest mistake let it slide.


Its now noon and he has not posted.. I am calling him now and will continue until I get an answer.

The heat was an accident. I did not read through it. I actually PM'd an op about it on anandtech and also here is a ss of my pm's back and forth. Also I am meeting a guy in downtown Houston to pick up a videocard on sunday if that makes anyone feel a little better.


http://img58991.pictiger.com/images/13066409/

 

[FromTheLou]

Aawwwhhh, no witch hunt?

If Prentice is indeed not LogitechFreak then I would like to appologize.

I would also like to point out that how I got my refund I'm not sure I would call voluntary.

I had to file a claim with PayPal, escalate it AND I had to make sure he understood that I would driving to his town and filing reports with the local PD, and post master for mail fraud.

Only then did he agree to refund my money if I canceled my PayPal claim after he refunded it.

He sent the refund while I was away from my computer and within 40 minutes I had 6 PM's from him telling me that if I didn't cancel my claim ASAP that he would open a claim for the money he just sent me.

Which he did since I didn't return in time and after he canceled his claim and my refund was safe I canceled my original claim.

 

[evanisthecoastie]

I have not dealt with this trader before, but i have noticed a couple of people wondering how paypal affects the person under investigation.

I have had my paypal investigated before, which was no problem because i had done nothing wrong, and would like to give you guys an idea of how it works:

I logged in to see if my sale's of video cards went through, upon log on there is a messege stating my account was under review for possible fraudulent actions, click visit resolution center to view problems.

There is a list of certain info paypal requests from you to prove you are who originally owned the account:

Social security number

Bank account proof (paypal sends you two small payments, and you have to enter them into the resolution center to proove you own the account)

mailing address (sends you a 4 digit code you must enter on paypal)

proof of shipping (tracking numbers)

Name, Email verification

Paypal transaction numbers

copy of ebay sell page (or forum purchases)

Phone verification

utility bill with your name on it

Insured mail number, delivery conformation number, express mail number (if applicable)

All of the above items MUST be scanned so they can SEE the slips


Yes, it is ALOT of stuff, but within about a week if you are legit, you should have no problems at all with the information required. Paypal staff is very helpful in the case resolution process, and can be settled rather quickly.

I had no trouble completing any of the steps.

hope this helps you guys still lurking here to make a decision. I suggest filing a claim no matter what, if he is legit he has nothing to worry about.

Plus, if he is lurking here reading this stuff,

if you TRULY are in the national guard, you are also under the UCMJ, not only will you be punished by civilian laws, but also military law.

I have seen alot of people go down horribly from small things, and yours are adding up quickly. I suggest you clear this up ASAP. If not, do not take what i am about to say lightly, im not bullshitting at all when i say:

you will be lucky to find a job a mcdonalds.

The military does not fuck around when it comes to discharging people. They will make you look like the most low down piece of human trash, even if it was a small infraction. This will STICK to you for the rest of your life. you cannot hide from it.

Good luck to all who are unresolved with this trader.

 

[thelazyone22]

Aawwwhhh, no witch hunt?

If Prentice is indeed not LogitechFreak then I would like to appologize.

I would also like to point out that how I got my refund I'm not sure I would call voluntary.

I had to file a claim with PayPal, escalate it AND I had to make sure he understood that I would driving to his town and filing reports with the local PD, and post master for mail fraud.

Only then did he agree to refund my money if I canceled my PayPal claim after he refunded it.

He sent the refund while I was away from my computer and within 40 minutes I had 6 PM's from him telling me that if I didn't cancel my claim ASAP that he would open a claim for the money he just sent me.

Which he did since I didn't return in time and after he canceled his claim and my refund was safe I canceled my original claim.

Well my refund came about totally voluntarily I believe.

I waited 2 weeks before I started requesting a refund, at which point I actually opened a dispute in order to contact him because I thought he was ignoring me.

I actually closed that dispute after he told me he didn't appreciate it (noob move) and waited another week, constantly pestering him.

Eventually, he just refunded my money and said he was sorry that our deal didn't go through. I tried to ask him if he would provide me with some info to track down the stuff and that I was fully willing to pay if only I could get my stuff and then this happened.

Now unless the $72 he gave back to my Paypal magically disappears, I'm assuming he gave me a voluntary refund because of a poor transaction. Hopefully it works out the same for like the two dozen other traders who have posted here.

 

[madmat]

I already emailed Officer Gaston (as shown in anand link) but hasnt got any reply back yet and did the FBI Internet Fraud thing. Is that what you mean?

Pick up the phone and call them. There are numbers for both the PD and the sheriff's office there, you'll get better a response from them if you call and speak to an officer. Let's put it this way, your house gets broken into and you come home to find it thus, so, what's your next logical step? Sit down and shoot an email off to the local PD or get on the blower? Right, you pick up the phone and call them. The same applies here, you were (in short) robbed of your cash, don't go sending emails to someone that might never read it and instead call and speak to them as close to in-person as you can get.

 

[thelazyone22]

Phew just got back from class. 3 down, 2 to go.

No updates? Has anyone contacted him / been contacted / received info / anything?

This kid was offered a very slim lifeline and it seems he's cut himself off from whatever little chance he had to redeem himself. Too bad, that's what the police are for.

 

[Newbi]

Yeah I will be calling his local police/sheriff dept when I get contact info from the Anandtech mod. I will be posting here so everyone can have a chance to call

 

[mrw1986]

I escalated with PayPal, but he rebuttled with providing tracking info. However the tracking info just states that "Electronic Shipping Info Received." I don't believe he physically shipped it. It says I have so many days to cancel the claim. If I don't cancel the claim, does it just continue? I've never had to do this.

Nevermind, just read this on PayPal: If we do not hear from you, we will resume our investigation in 2 days.

 

[Prentice]

I called him and left a message but have got no word back yet =(

I have the info from the anandtech thread if anyone wants the number to the police stations near him. I also have all of his personal info in my pm box from the deal I made on the C2D cpu a few days ago.



( If this is not legal on [H] I will not give it out )

 

[BlackLight]

I escalated with PayPal, but he rebuttled with providing tracking info. However the tracking info just states that "Electronic Shipping Info Received." I don't believe he physically shipped it.

Same deal here

 

[CaptNumbNutz]

To Prentice, my apologies. I am not directly implicating you.
I saw coincidences, was not sure if they were JUST COINCIDENCES.
I posted them, and my tone came off as if I was accusing you.
I am deeply sorry.

-Malcom, thank you for pointing out my mistakes. I apologize, it was 4AM when I typed that. I thought I saw the 11th, not the 1st.

I also said I believe ALL accounts linked to this guy need to be investigated. I do believe he is more clever than you guys give him credit. Who's to say he isn't using a different account and is logging in elsewhere such as the library he mentioned earlier in this thread (to scan the receipts). He could be going over to a friends house too, or having a friend help him. I mentioned the WHOIS not to insult your skills, but rather to suggest this very fact.
I also believe that the timeline he gave you guys gave him more than enough time to escape. You need to call your local authorities, and possibly the Missouri Sheriff's department in Jefferson City, MO. Numbers are available online.

-BigK.
You posted a correspondence from him about the Olevia.
In that post, is it you or him that says they are located in Waynesville Missouri?
Quotes within quotes confused me.
LogitechFreak is located in Croker Missouri according to the Anand thread.

Croker and Waynesville are 15 miles apart. If it was LF, was he saying Waynesville as a reference point (bigger town)?
-OR-
Is Waynesville where he's running back and forth from and or posting from both locations?
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If LogitechFreak is indeed a 19 year old kid like he says, and is just in way over his head, he can speak to his local police and explain the situation. They will be lenient on him. If he is not who he says and his stories don't add up, he may be arrested and/or fined. But the USERS WHO ARE BEING SCAMMED NEED TO CONTACT THE POLICE ASAP. Other members have already stated this. LogitechFreak has had more than enough time to clear this up and refuses to respond to these allegations either because he is a scared little boy, or a grown criminal. The time has passed for correspondence with him to solve anything. Let the police handle it. DO NOT GIVE HIM DEATH THREATS, THIS ONLY ESCALATES THE SITUATION. IT ONLY INCREASES THE LIKELIHOOD OF YOU NOT GETTING YOUR MONEY BACK.

 

[Newbi]

I also believe that the timeline he gave you guys gave him more than enough time to escape. You need to call your local authorities, and possibly the Missouri Sheriff's department in Jefferson City, MO. Numbers are available online.

Anandtech mod is trying to confirm the contact info of a sheriff whos in charge of internet fraud, we all should call when the info is confirmed

 

[Vertigo Acid]

I also said I believe ALL accounts linked to this guy need to be investigated. I do believe he is more clever than you guys give him credit. Who's to say he isn't using a different account and is logging in elsewhere such as the library he mentioned earlier in this thread (to scan the receipts). He could be going over to a friends house too, or having a friend help him. I mentioned the WHOIS not to insult your skills, but rather to suggest this very fact.

Okay. So, continue your suggestion to the conclusion. We all know the above facts. What exact steps do you propose to look for a dupe account logged in from a complete different IP, and how does that relate to WHOIS.

 

[CaptNumbNutz]

Okay. So, continue your suggestion to the conclusion. We all know the above facts. What exact steps do you propose to look for a dupe account logged in from a complete different IP, and how does that relate to WHOIS.

I apologize Malcolm. I am not trying to insult you.
Maybe I'm not saying it correctly (not WHOIS but something else?). In my head I have thought about how it could help. I believe you are already doing everything in your power to help. My thought was if you found his IP and or location, you may find other accounts associated with him because they were in the immediate vicinity (based on IP). This was only an idea to help get more info about this guy if there is any to be had.
Maybe this isn't even possible?

 

[Vertigo Acid]

My thought was if you found his IP and or location, you may find other accounts associated with him because they were in the immediate vicinity (based on IP). This was only an idea to help get more info about this guy if there is any to be had.
Maybe this isn't even possible?

Correct, what you're suggesting is impossible.

I type all of the following not to put you down and tell you that you don't know what you're talking about, but as a bit of an example to everyone that thinks if they get scammed, somehow an IP address will be of much use when you're trying to go after em.

WHOIS records do not contain information about where the IP is actually being utilized, only who the owner is, which may or may not be useful. There are geolocation databases separate from WHOIS that can give you some idea about where the IP is being used, but they are not known for their reliability (outside of commercial products like MaxMind that are used in the CC Processing industry)
Second, there's no way to query for other IP addresses based on physical vicinity. IP addresses from the same ISP in the same area will often share part of the beginning of the IP. This is the network portion, as defined by the subnet mask. Different ISP (like at the library, friends house, etc) have completely different network portions.
Example:
My IP right now is 24.22.31.131. IP WHOIS gives Comcast's New Jersey office address, even though I'm in Portland, OR.
An IP that I know is 198.145.180.1. IP WHOIS show's Infinity Internet's Vancouver, WA location, even though that IP is actually in use in a colocation facility here in Portland. Closer than New Jersey, just 15 miles or so off. But still in a different state.

I know for a fact that those two IPs are in use about 10 blocks away from each other, something you will never find in the WHOIS. It couldn't even tell you the right city or state. IP Geolocation, such as http://www.ip2location.com/, correctly shows Portland, OR for the Comcast IP, but gives New York, NY for the Infinity Internet one. It's a very hit and miss database.

Large city police are going to have a department that handles internet related crime, and potentially have someone that knows what they're doing enough to get as much as I've shown above, not that it's even very much. Do you really expect the one guy they have handling these cases in a small town to be on the ball? No offense to knowledgeable people working in small police departments, but it's just about resources and odds. So, to get any useful info, you have to subpoena the ISP, and they'd be able to tell you what subscriber was using the IP at that time, but, good luck. I've yet to see that actually happen in relatively small-time cases like this.

To further complicate matters, what happens if someone has set up a trojan on my machine, and is really logged in remotely from the Bahamas?

IP Addresses are useful as a tool to catch repeat scammers who aren't careful. But it doesn't take much to evade these sorts of things. This is why we suggest getting a land line phone number from your trading partner if at all possible (lots of people only have cell phones, like myself, but you get what you can). It's a lot harder to churn through phone numbers than IP addresses.

 

[Vertigo Acid]

LogitechFreak has been banned as a bad trader, both due to recent actions and also as a returning ban.

 

[aaronjb]

Correct, what you're suggesting is impossible.

Everything you've said is correct, to a degree. An IP address, in combination with a bit more information and a subpoena/warrant, can be very useful in civil suits and criminal cases, except where the purpose is to positively and explicitly identify an individual based on IP address alone. It's great corroborating evidence, but doesn't do much to attach an individual to a specific act in the absence of additional evidence.

In short: At any given time, most ISPs (or their third-party security/traffic massaging contractors) have a decent (recent) record of subscribers and IP leases. For better or worse, in our current political climate, "plausible deniability" isn't an option for an ISP (or an individual, for that matter).

IANAL, but I love acronyms.

 

[Newbi]

LogitechFreak has been banned as a bad trader, both due to recent actions and also as a returning ban.

Hmm.. so we have the verdict already? That will cut off his communication in here then.. even IF he attempts to.. is it possible to just give him a scammer title or something so he COULD at least reply here (although chances are very slim) and won't be able to scam other people at the same time?

 

[Vertigo Acid]

Hmm.. so we have the verdict already? That will cut off his communication in here then.. even IF he attempts to.. is it possible to just give him a scammer title or something so he COULD at least reply here (although chances are very slim) and won't be able to scam other people at the same time?

I warned everyone yesterday that they needed to have alternate contact information besides [H] PM and this thread
Currently, it's not possible to prevent someone from using PMs and FS/T while still allowing them to post here.

 

[Renegade5399]

He has been banned from BPC as well for the same reason.

 

[uzum4ki]

I sold Chris a video card with an aftermarket HSF (8800GTS-320 w/Zalman VF1000) and he paid $40 up front and was supposed to pay another $225 after he received / tested the card. He received the card on the 5th, but didn't have a system together yet to test it on, so I was lenient. His last PM to me said he'd be getting the rest of the stuff in to test it out on the 14th/15th, but I'm severely doubting that that will happen.

Since my situation is a little different from the rest of yours seeing as I was the seller, what course of action should I take? Also, could someone PM me his AIM / MSN, I don't seem to have a working one for him.

 

[thelazyone22]

I sold Chris a video card with an aftermarket HSF (8800GTS-320 w/Zalman VF1000) and he paid $40 up front and was supposed to pay another $225 after he received / tested the card. He received the card on the 5th, but didn't have a system together yet to test it on, so I was lenient. His last PM to me said he'd be getting the rest of the stuff in to test it out on the 14th/15th, but I'm severely doubting that that will happen.

Since my situation is a little different from the rest of yours seeing as I was the seller, what course of action should I take? Also, could someone PM me his AIM / MSN, I don't seem to have a working one for him.

Man, another victim.

A 8800GTS, huh? Sounds like he may have trolled to fund a high-end build and got you in the process. Did he pay you through Paypal? Go through there to see if you can't get some moeny back.

Check here for some contact info. http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=45&threadid=2117756&enterthread=y

 

[nobody_here]

I sold Chris a video card with an aftermarket HSF (8800GTS-320 w/Zalman VF1000) and he paid $40 up front and was supposed to pay another $225 after he received / tested the card. He received the card on the 5th, but didn't have a system together yet to test it on, so I was lenient. His last PM to me said he'd be getting the rest of the stuff in to test it out on the 14th/15th, but I'm severely doubting that that will happen.

Since my situation is a little different from the rest of yours seeing as I was the seller, what course of action should I take? Also, could someone PM me his AIM / MSN, I don't seem to have a working one for him.

what action to take......in the future

dont send product to a stranger with a promise over the internet without payment in full......i seriously dont see how anybody does that man....just amazing

i mean, i feel bad for ya a tiny bit because you got ripped, but in a way i think it is right

 

[Veeb0rg]

wow, how did i miss this thread...

I bought a xfx 6600-gt pci-e vid card for 40$ on the 15th of october. Never recieved a package. Claimed he mailed it.

eventually he claimed he got it back, on the 6th of november he said he reshipped it via ups. I told him I wanted a tracking number that worked by 9pm on the 8th.

Never got it either. I told him I was going to file a dispute with paypal, he refunded my 40$ on the 11th only after another threat of paypal dispute.

Guess I got lucky.

Obviously yall have a handle on this, but if ya need any of the pm's or whatnot i have with him, please feel free to ask, I have it all

 

[uzum4ki]

what action to take......in the future

dont send product to a stranger with a promise over the internet without payment in full......i seriously dont see how anybody does that man....just amazing

i mean, i feel bad for ya a tiny bit because you got ripped, but in a way i think it is right

And what am I supposed to do when established traders refuse to deal with me and pay first because I've only got 1 eval on heat?

 

[s3rvb0t]

And what am I supposed to do when established traders refuse to deal with me and pay first because I've only got 1 eval on heat?

Should have just called me bro.. I could have sold/vouched for you in a heartbeat

 

[thelazyone22]

And what am I supposed to do when established traders refuse to deal with me and pay first because I've only got 1 eval on heat?

If you guys want to bitch about trading practices, take it to PM. What's happened has happened and patronizing people because they're involved and you're not is not helpful at all. I'm sure everyone would have stayed far, far away had they known, but he got us all good with some very tempting deals. Either way, this thread is cluttered enough.

I'd be interested if anyone who is currently embroiled in a "transaction" has any updates. Chris promised scans, shipments, and refunds today; is this happening or not? Has anyone else gotten their money back? Is there any police action that will potentially take place?

Basically, what's up?

 

[Newbi]

If you guys want to bitch about trading practices, take it to PM. What's happened has happened and patronizing people because they're involved and you're not is not helpful at all. I'm sure everyone would have stayed far, far away had they known, but he got us all good with some very tempting deals. Either way, this thread is cluttered enough.

I'd be interested if anyone who is currently embroiled in a "transaction" has any updates. Chris promised scans, shipments, and refunds today; is this happening or not? Has anyone else gotten their money back? Is there any police action that will potentially take place?

Basically, what's up?

I will update you,
I have not got my money back yet, no scans, no email or PM from him

I am still waiting for anand mod to post the contact info of LF's local officer whos in charged in Internet Frauds. I suggest everyone to call the officer when the info is published.

 

[stoney_titan]

wow, how did i miss this thread...

I bought a xfx 6600-gt pci-e vid card for 40$ on the 15th of october. Never recieved a package. Claimed he mailed it.

eventually he claimed he got it back, on the 6th of november he said he reshipped it via ups. I told him I wanted a tracking number that worked by 9pm on the 8th.

Never got it either. I told him I was going to file a dispute with paypal, he refunded my 40$ on the 11th only after another threat of paypal dispute.

Guess I got lucky.

Obviously yall have a handle on this, but if ya need any of the pm's or whatnot i have with him, please feel free to ask, I have it all

Logitechfreak is seriously the worst troll I have read about to date. I'm sure there has been worse but I think he fucked (or tried to fuck) 15 + people that we know about. Whadadoosh.

 

[uzum4ki]

Should have just called me bro.. I could have sold/vouched for you in a heartbeat

If you guys want to bitch about trading practices, take it to PM. What's happened has happened and patronizing people because they're involved and you're not is not helpful at all. I'm sure everyone would have stayed far, far away had they known, but he got us all good with some very tempting deals. Either way, this thread is cluttered enough.

Affirmative and agreed.

 

[Vertigo Acid]

And what am I supposed to do when established traders refuse to deal with me and pay first because I've only got 1 eval on heat?

Well, step one is that you shouldn't ship first to people with negatives on their heatware. He had a negative back on 8/8. Did you miss this?

Second, there is no rule that you have to ship first. It's your personal judgment call. If you chose not to, someone else will inevitably come along that will pay up front.

 

[nobody_here]

And what am I supposed to do when established traders refuse to deal with me and pay first because I've only got 1 eval on heat?

deal with someone else or....seriously use ebay, i ebay all my stuff and make out good too, sure you have the occasional cooky idiot once in a while like i did recently who managed to bork a setup that had been through several cases and a few trips across country and still ran 100% perfectly but somehow when he got it in his hands it did not work....too bad, sold as-is, but i sell everything as-is, always get at least what i wanted out of them and typically more, and ALWAYS get paid or ALWAYS get my item

i have bought a few items here myself, i always pay first, but thats how it is on ebay or anywhere else in the world that sells things....you want it, you pay, nobody running a business in their right mind lets you walk in, take something home, on a promise that if it works as it should you will come back and pay for it....thats baloney, shipping first is baloney, i would never even ask someone to do that, it's ridiculous, too many people out there looking for good hardware to take those sort of chances bro.....

Newegg, TD, ZZF.....none of the major places to get good deals online ship first...try going into Best Buy and get them to let you take it home with nothing but a promise....try going into Comp USA and asking to "test out" a new motherboard and promise to come back and pay if it works........this is not how you do business, this is like meeting a complete stranger on the street corner who says he wants to buy your Ipod for $100 and asks if he can take it to his house to try it out and will return promptly to pay you if it works out.....and then you let him take it.......complete bullocks