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[valis1]

So updating my system from 750i, Q6600, PC2-6400 (4gb). I do not want to spend no more than $400-600, so looking for a killer deal. OR should I hold off another year and get Skylake?

Essentials I found, don't need power supply the 750W will do fine, and have everything else in this dinosaur - well it's not that dinosaury:

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBXL
Item #: N82E16820231429
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy

$164.99



ASUS Z87-PRO LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131979
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy

-$15.00 Instant
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate Card

$209.99
$194.99



Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I74770K
Item #: N82E16819116901
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy

-$10.00 Instant


$349.99
$339.99

Comments/Improvements?

 

[tiraides]

Please answer the sticky questions as well as these "add-ons"...

1a) Which programs are you using for CAD?
3a) Which retailer(s) will you use? Are you close to a physical computer retailer (e.g. Fry's or Micro Center)?
5a) We need specifics on your power supply: What's the brand and model? How old is it? How often/hard was it used?

 

[valis1]

Please answer the sticky questions as well as these "add-ons"...

1a) Which programs are you using for CAD?
3a) Which retailer(s) will you use? Are you close to a physical computer retailer (e.g. Fry's or Micro Center)?
5a) We need specifics on your power supply: What's the brand and model? How old is it? How often/hard was it used?

My question is fairly straight-forward. I am not a first time builder.
1a) You obviously no experience with CAD. i7 works just as well as Xeon, if NOT better for rendering projects, at a fraction of the cost. Specifically, MOST all CAD applications operate the same, asking for a specific software etc is moot.
3a) No, and doesn't matter. Perhaps for rebates, but, if that were your question it could have been directly suggested.
5a) You do not need specifics about the power supply..... I also, previously, noted the wattage. It could be a 5/10/20 year old 750watt power supply and it would still be sufficient in its job. Nothing wrong with it.

Again, question was asked fairly straight-forward.... looking for a "better (killer) deal , if not better reasonably priced hardware" ... never asked for someone to build me a system.

 

[Deleted member 88227]

Really now? Sounds like you know what you're doing then. Goodluck, Bruh!

 

[Dangman]

3a) No, and doesn't matter. Perhaps for rebates, but, if that were your question it could have been directly suggested.

We mainly ask about your location so that we figure out if a Microcenter is located nearby. Microcenter has the 4770K for $250. As such, that would be a "killer deal"

5a) You do not need specifics about the power supply..... I also, previously, noted the wattage. It could be a 5/10/20 year old 750watt power supply and it would still be sufficient in its job. Nothing wrong with it.

Unfortunately, we see too many people who have bought large sized PSUs not knowing that the PSU they bought is indeed crap. Hence why we need specifics on the PSU to make sure that the PSU is of sufficient quality to handle your system. I mean, why recommend parts if it's going to be powered by a low quality PSU that might kill said parts?

Again, question was asked fairly straight-forward.... looking for a "better (killer) deal , if not better reasonably priced hardware" ... never asked for someone to build me a system.

Well those 10 questions helps figure out if the three parts you listed are a killer deal. Since we don't know if you're overclocking or not, we can't say that the 4770K is a good deal for you when the non-overclock capable Core i7 4770 is $40 less. As for the motherboard, you haven't told us what you're looking for in a motherboard. As such, we don't know if that mobo is overkill for your needs and therefore a bad buy for you.

Though the RAM for sure is overpriced: You can get two of this similarly performing Kingston RAM for $128 and would also allow you upgrade to 32GB of RAM later on without having to replace any RAM:
$64 - Kingston HyperX Blu KHX1600C10D3B1/8G 8GB DDR3 1600 RAM

 

[valis1]

We mainly ask about your location so that we figure out if a Microcenter is located nearby. Microcenter has the 4770K for $250. As such, that would be a "killer deal"


Unfortunately, we see too many people who have bought large sized PSUs not knowing that the PSU they bought is indeed crap. Hence why we need specifics on the PSU to make sure that the PSU is of sufficient quality to handle your system. I mean, why recommend parts if it's going to be powered by a low quality PSU that might kill said parts?


Well those 10 questions helps figure out if the three parts you listed are a killer deal. Since we don't know if you're overclocking or not, we can't say that the 4770K is a good deal for you when the non-overclock capable Core i7 4770 is $40 less. As for the motherboard, you haven't told us what you're looking for in a motherboard. As such, we don't know if that mobo is overkill for your needs and therefore a bad buy for you.

Though the RAM for sure is overpriced: You can get two of this similarly performing Kingston RAM for $128 and would also allow you upgrade to 32GB of RAM later on without having to replace any RAM:
$64 - Kingston HyperX Blu KHX1600C10D3B1/8G 8GB DDR3 1600 RAM

Great, a response I was looking for. Thank you Dangman.

I do not overclock, no point for a Workstation/CAD system (ought to be a given to anyone with PC knowledge), there are no significant benefits, but I'll have to do more digging on the 4770/4770K I guess, check the benchmarks, but for $40 the 4770K seems like a better deal. CAD on my Q6600 runs perfectly, but rendering takes a few hours, and sure beats the Xeon systems at the college lab.

As for the PSU, its quality hardware. If it's really needed, a 750W (initially stated) Thermaltake modular PSU

So DDR3 memory doesn't need to be purchased in kits, unlike DDR2, anymore? 32GB of memory would sure be nice on the new CAD system, move my scratch disk on a RAMDisk to speed up renderings.


Then again DDR4 seems like it's coming out very soon, so, I just may wait until benchmarks for Skylake come out. I can survive another year or so.

Thanks again.


PS. The others who posted... only 3 essential items were listed, not that difficult to say, hey this place has a combo deal for memory, cpu, and motherboard for a significantly lower price. You may want to check it. Or that memory / motherboard have bad reviews or whichever, instead of the juvenile comments.

 

[Deleted member 88227]

The 4770 and 4770K are nearly identical. The only major difference is the 4770K has an unlocked multiplier so you can overclock it above 4Ghz. The 4770 has some features the 4770K doesn't as well. Which Xeon CPUs does the college use?

RAM does not need to be bought in pairs per se, but it's nice to have similar spec'd RAM when you do mismatch them.

Something new is always around the corner.

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Why would we help you when you can't take the time to help us help you?

 

[Dangman]

I do not overclock, no point for a Workstation/CAD system (ought to be a given to anyone with PC knowledge), there are no significant benefits, but I'll have to do more digging on the 4770/4770K I guess, check the benchmarks, but for $40 the 4770K seems like a better deal. CAD on my Q6600 runs perfectly, but rendering takes a few hours, and sure beats the Xeon systems at the college lab.

Actually I do see people overclock their Workstation/CAD systems. So it's not exactly a given. Anyway, as SKillz said, the 4770K is only 100Mhz faster than the 4770 and are effectively identical as a result. So it's not worth the extra $40 in your case. Just to repeat: Since you're not overclocking, ABSOLUTELY ZERO reasons to get the 4770K over the 4770.

As for the PSU, its quality hardware. If it's really needed, a 750W (initially stated) Thermaltake modular PSU[/QUOTE]
Which Thermaltake PSU? Unfortunately, Thermaltake has a lot of shitty 750W PSUs in their lineup. Especially their Smart series as I've seen three blown up at work.

So DDR3 memory doesn't need to be purchased in kits, unlike DDR2, anymore? 32GB of memory would sure be nice on the new CAD system, move my scratch disk on a RAMDisk to speed up renderings.

As Skillz said, not really.

Then again DDR4 seems like it's coming out very soon, so, I just may wait until benchmarks for Skylake come out. I can survive another year or so.

The problem is that DDR4 pricing is going to be extremely high. Think twice the price of current DDR3 RAM for relatively lower speeds. It's not going to be until 2016 or so when we see DDR4 pricing reaching affordable levels ($70 for 8GB)

PS. The others who posted... only 3 essential items were listed, not that difficult to say, hey this place has a combo deal for memory, cpu, and motherboard for a significantly lower price. You may want to check it. Or that memory / motherboard have bad reviews or whichever, instead of the juvenile comments.

Hey man, they're just trying make sure you get the help you need. No need to get offended so easily. Also, I've already explained exactly why we needed those questions answered. You proved our point exactly when you said "I do not overclock." That changed what CPU we need to recommend to you.

Now, what features do you actually need in a motherboard? Again, since you haven't told us what you need, how can we tell you if that motherboard is a good deal or not for you?