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Bye Bye vCloud Director

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I am finally uninstalling and getting rid of vCloud Director. Since it was setup over a year ago, it was pretty much never used and being that VMware is no longer developing the UI, it seems pointless to keep.

Anyone here actually use vCloud Director and like it? Any other recommendations for a similar product that can run on ESXi that is good for Service Providers?
 
It's very powerful when tied together with other products, but it was never quite marketed/presented/developed right.

vCAC is the planned replacement, but it's a very different product with drastically different goals and use cases for many folks.
 
And that is also meant for tenants (customers) to spin up their own VMs?

We went as far as becoming a vCloud Powered Service Provider for VMware which brought us nothing. Our reps were telling us they would put us on the front page and blah blah blah. Was definitely more work than it was worth while.
 
Yes - in fact, that's all it's really for. They can't take existing VMs and recombine them like you could with vCD, you can really only request existing items for yourself.
 
With your problems, I would suggest you look at onapp...

They make a portal that sits on top of vCloud Director. We've not used it, but the demos look really cool and we're talking about a pilot perhaps.
 
defuseme2k said:
With your problems, I would suggest you look at onapp...

They make a portal that sits on top of vCloud Director. We've not used it, but the demos look really cool and we're talking about a pilot perhaps.
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Yeah, I have looked at it. But the fact that VMware decided to stop devolving the UI for vCD wasn't very appealing for us to keep it.
 
If you're looking for multitenancy and IaaS why not go OpenStack or VIO?

I find the whole vCD thing funny especially to those that have vCloud Air and still need to know the vCD interface to do advanced mgmt...
 
Will need to take a look again. We played with OpenStack a bit on KVM. Now that it is available with VMware, it would be interesting to try out.
 
KapsZ28 said:
Yeah, I have looked at it. But the fact that VMware decided to stop devolving the UI for vCD wasn't very appealing for us to keep it.
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We've been promised over and over that vRA is going to be the holy grail thing and it will ultimately be able to replace vCD at feature parity (or very close). I don't get VMware's decisions on this and I've yet to see vRA not be a rube goldberg machine to do something stupidly simple. Are they relenting to OpenStack and are just going to embrace their own distro? Right now OpenStack leaves a lot to be desired with out of the box UIs.

Are we supposed to buy a portal for vCD or just let VMware do vSphere and let everyone else do cloud management? It's almost like they checked out completely.
 
They've been scrambling to respond to different market pressures in a market that is very much "poorly" defined.

By that, I mean that "Cloud" has a HUGE number of meanings depending on who you're talking to, what their use case is, and what your end goals ~are~. Cloud isn't as simple as "building VMs" anymore, and you get into a discussion of what services are, what a VM is, and how you want to define a workload.

Case in point - OpenStack. OS is a framework. It's not a hypervisor or VMs, it's not a management suite, it's not a cloud product - it's a framework that will let you construct ~any~ of those as you see fit based on your use case and needs; a framework for providing compute, storage, network, and management services. Can it become something like Virtual Center? Sure - if you want to build it like that. Can it be a vCD replacement? Absofreakinglutely. Can it replace vRA? Sure. Can you build AWS out of it? Yeppers!

Is it an "I install this and I can manage VMs" product? No. Nope. Not even close. Not a chance in hell.

It can be MADE into that - but it's a framework, it's built to let you construct what you want. vRA tries to span that kind of use case, as well as a basic "I need to automate VM and software building", and "I need multi-tenancy", and a lot of other bits and pieces. vCD was built from a very different perspective (the "I want to do Lab Managery things, and let people build/construct at will).

Beyond that, look at what else is changing in the market. Take, for instance, the whole DevOps philosophy. Traditional DevOps structure fit nicely into what Pivotal and VMware's Application Director products did. And then came Docker, which blew all of that straight out of the water. That happened within 6 months of Docker hitting the "big time". New products, new plans...

It's not easy figuring out what parts of this industry will stick.
 
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