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I've been eyeing 7970s since the price drop. orignally I was going to wait for the 670 it. any chance the 670 ti will have better performance than the 7970? I am assuming the price differential will be small between the two.
 
I don't think it'll be better than the 7970, given how close the 680 is. At best it may be about the same.

If you have the money in hand now, I'd say go ahead and get the 7970. There will always be faster cards on the horizon, its about getting what you need. If the 7970 fits your performance requirement, then I think its fine to get it and enjoy it now.

Just IMO...
 
7970 is (still) a total rip when 7950 is within 1-2% at same speed and costs $100 less. 7950 is underclocked and all will make 7970 speed. Waiting may be problematic since nvidia can't even make enough $500 cards and they would rather sell those than cheap cards with same chip. Just buy what you need now. Waiting I think is always a waste of time when it comes to hardware becuase HW gets cheaper and faster all the time so no matter what you'll be disappointed.

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/34761-amd-hd-7950-vs-hd-7970-clocks/?page=4

I'd just get a $379 7950 and clock sky high if you're interested in high end.
 
I got sick of waiting for 680s to show up at Fry's.

They had about 6 Diamond 7970s sitting on the shelf for weeks. Given that Fry's has a 30 day full refund policy on Video Cards I figured I'd buy one of those an check it out. They price matched neweggs listing at $479.

Got it home, installed... fast. ASIC qual via gpu-z = 82% which is in the top 90% of reportings I've seen on this GPU.

Default voltage is 1.05 for this ASIC range, but factory voltage runs as high as 1.174 on chips with lower ASIC readings.

I can run this card @ 1125 core and 1575 mem with a small volt bump to 1.149 (100% stable in furmark/3dmark/heaven)

In Furmark max GPU temp is 80c @ 63% fan with this O/C. In other benchies it stays at or below 72c and 52% fan... which is favorable, the fan gets pretty loud above 50%.

Haven't bothered to try to O/C farther... +22% on the GPU with minimal effort is good enough.

The only problem I've had so far, is that when my monitor shuts off in power saving mode, the PCIe reverts to 1x... however, after testing I see that while GPU-z reports 1x, there is not a notable performance difference in benchmarks... maybe a GPU-Z thing, maybe a driver thing that will be fixed.

Overall I am pretty happy with the card... I might keep it unless some really awesome 680 shows up on Fry's shelves in the next 25 days.
 
It amazes me how so many people ignore the 7950 when its the same card as a 7970 clock for clock.Clocks just as high and stays within 3 fps of a 7970 at same clocks.If you want to blow the money on a 7970 go ahead,but ive owned both and sold my 7970 and kept my 7950.The money ive made off the 7970 is going towards another 7950 plus ill have cash left over:)
 
Very good input. I've been looking at upgrading my HD5850 for a while. I made the mistake of getting the newest thing rather than the best price : performance ratio.
The 7950 seems like a good buy.
 
Agreed, the 7950 is looking mighty interesting!
 
GTX 670 TI is scheduled to be released at early May. I expect it to have 7970 level performance with 7950 level price tag out of the box. If 79xx cards want to to competitive, AMD needs to slash the price again. I would say wait for another week or two to see the offerings from both parties and then make a decision. Plus, if you have waited a long time, you could just wait a little longer to see the whole picture and make the right decision for yourself.
 
I am not seeing where people are getting that the 680 is faster than the 7970? At stock clocks maybe, but when the 7970 and 680 are overclocked both to their max they are almost essentially even. Meaning this new 670 will not be better than the 7970 at all, unless it is faster than the 680 as well. I think that's unlikely. ;)
 
rekd0514 said:
I am not seeing where people are getting that the 680 is faster than the 7970? At stock clocks maybe, but when the 7970 and 680 are overclocked both to their max they are almost essentially even. Meaning this new 670 will not be better than the 7970 at all, unless it is faster than the 680 as well. I think that's unlikely. ;)
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Yeah, agree with that. I give nvidia's marketing team big kudos for managing to pull this off...

Price of the 670 will depend on how many castrated 680 they have stockpiled. Performance should be similar to 7950, give or take...
 
rekd0514 said:
I am not seeing where people are getting that the 680 is faster than the 7970? At stock clocks maybe, but when the 7970 and 680 are overclocked both to their max they are almost essentially even. Meaning this new 670 will not be better than the 7970 at all, unless it is faster than the 680 as well. I think that's unlikely. ;)
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Out of the box experience is an important factor because not everyone wants to go through the hassle of overclocking.

There's no guarantee everyone can hit the same speed, and even fewer people would want to overclock to the max which requires the fan being set at higher speeds.
 
Yakk said:
Yeah, agree with that. I give nvidia's marketing team big kudos for managing to pull this off...

Price of the 670 will depend on how many castrated 680 they have stockpiled. Performance should be similar to 7950, give or take...
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Yep, that is all it takes for most people to buy into it. They see fastest or best and they're sold. :)

Hornet said:
Out of the box experience is an important factor because not everyone wants to go through the hassle of overclocking.

There's no guarantee everyone can hit the same speed, and even fewer people would want to overclock to the max which requires the fan being set at higher speeds.
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With MSI Afturburner overclocking a GPU and setting a fan speed you like is super simple these days. Also their highest clock fully stable is the only way to compare them accurately if you think about it. The company can clock them anyway they want to and sell it to you just to beat the competitor. With the price drops, the 2 cards should be pretty even on price per performance available.
 
1, Do you all think that the 7950 is future proof for the next couple of year or will it be outdated quickly..
2, Whats up with the big price difference between newegg and tigerdirect on some of the 7900 series cards..?
 
I always get the upgrade bug and usually when I buy immediately I regret it later due to price drops, I would agree with those above to wait a bit if you don't need them right now. If you do I am sure you will love a nice 7970.
 
yeah, unfortunately myself I really want to get one as well but I have no money, I need money as it is so yeah.
 
yanmeng said:
GTX 670 TI is scheduled to be released at early May. I expect it to have 7970 level performance with 7950 level price tag out of the box. If 79xx cards want to to competitive, AMD needs to slash the price again. I would say wait for another week or two to see the offerings from both parties and then make a decision. Plus, if you have waited a long time, you could just wait a little longer to see the whole picture and make the right decision for yourself.
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Lol so you expect nv to sell a card thar is 3% slower than 680 for $380. Kepp em commin
 
yanmeng said:
GTX 670 TI is scheduled to be released at early May. I expect it to have 7970 level performance with 7950 level price tag out of the box. If 79xx cards want to to competitive, AMD needs to slash the price again. I would say wait for another week or two to see the offerings from both parties and then make a decision. Plus, if you have waited a long time, you could just wait a little longer to see the whole picture and make the right decision for yourself.
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Uhh are you serious?So the 670 will essentially be as fast as the gtx 680 then i take it?Get off your nvidia highhorse and do some research for crying out loud.I expect the 670 to have 7950 like performance,but i also expect the 7950 to still clock higher which means it will still be faster imo
 
Hornet said:
Out of the box experience is an important factor because not everyone wants to go through the hassle of overclocking.

There's no guarantee everyone can hit the same speed, and even fewer people would want to overclock to the max which requires the fan being set at higher speeds.
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Not really the vast majority of people that spend this kind of money on a GPU will overclock it..
 
Geezer said:
1, Do you all think that the 7950 is future proof for the next couple of year or will it be outdated quickly..
2, Whats up with the big price difference between newegg and tigerdirect on some of the 7900 series cards..?
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1. The 7950 will be just as future proof as the 7970, provided you know how to overclock beyond CCC limits. It will be within 5% of the 7970 at the same clocks, so essentially there will be no noticeable difference beyond benchmark scores. It's also possible on some cards to flash to a 7970 bios for a bit more performance.

2. The price cuts haven't been applied universally yet.

The 7950 is now a good buy around $380, whereas it wasn't when it was $460.
 
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naa904 said:
I've been eyeing 7970s since the price drop. orignally I was going to wait for the 670 it. any chance the 670 ti will have better performance than the 7970? I am assuming the price differential will be small between the two.
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If you are going to OC the HD 7970 can take care of even 680 OC. So just go ahead and get this dynamite of a card Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 OC.

Battlefield 3

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/10/sapphire_hd_7970_oc_edition_video_card_review/7

A 1.1 Ghz stock voltage OC HD 7970 will take care of 680 in BF3. Voltage OC HD 7970 will take care of 1.3+ Ghz GTX 680.

Crysis 2

HD 7970 OC 1125 core / 6300 memory (stock voltage)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-overclock-guide/15

ASUS Geforce 680 TOP 1137core / 1267 boost / 6000 memory
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-680-asus-directcu-ii-top-review/23

Metro 2033

HD 7970 OC 1125 core / 6300 memory (stock voltage)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-overclock-guide/12

ASUS Geforce 680 TOP 1137core / 1267 boost / 6000 memory
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-680-asus-directcu-ii-top-review/18

If u want to play safe clock it to 1.1 - 1.15 Ghz at stock voltage and you get better than GTX 680 perf in a wide range of games. If you want to go full blast go for 1.25+ Ghz voltage OC and top draw perf better than 680 OC. The Nvidia fanbois are at best delusional when their 680 OC can't beat a HD 7970 OC clearly in a game like BF3 which is one of GTX 680's strongest games. :D As far as Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 OC is concerned its a great buy if your budget is USD 400. But if you can afford USD 479 , for max perf I would ask you to pick the Sapphire HD 7970 OC anyday given faster RAM and supposedly better binning.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102982
 
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Tirilwen said:
1. The 7950 will be just as future proof as the 7970, provided you know how to overclock beyond CCC limits. It will be within 5% of the 7970 at the same clocks, so essentially there will be no noticeable difference beyond benchmark scores. It's also possible on some cards to flash to a 7970 bios for a bit more performance.

2. The price cuts haven't been applied universally yet.

The 7950 is now a good buy around $380, whereas it wasn't when it was $460.
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7950 has always been a good buy.Even at $460 the gtx 580 was still more at the time the 7950 was released.The only time you could really argue the 7950 was not a good buy was right when the gtx 680 launched.Even then i cant really say it was a bad buy when you can overclock a 7950 to beat a gtx 680 stock pretty easily
 
raghu78 said:
If you are going to OC the HD 7970 can take care of even 680 OC. So just go ahead and get this dynamite of a card Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 OC.

Battlefield 3

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/10/sapphire_hd_7970_oc_edition_video_card_review/7

A 1.1 Ghz stock voltage OC HD 7970 will take care of 680 in BF3. Voltage OC HD 7970 will take care of 1.3+ Ghz GTX 680.

Crysis 2

HD 7970 OC 1125 core / 6300 memory (stock voltage)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-overclock-guide/15

ASUS Geforce 680 TOP 1137core / 1267 boost / 6000 memory
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-680-asus-directcu-ii-top-review/23

Metro 2033

HD 7970 OC 1125 core / 6300 memory (stock voltage)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-overclock-guide/12

ASUS Geforce 680 TOP 1137core / 1267 boost / 6000 memory
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-680-asus-directcu-ii-top-review/18

If u want to play safe clock it to 1.1 - 1.15 Ghz at stock voltage and you get better than GTX 680 perf in a wide range of games. If you want to go full blast go for 1.25+ Ghz voltage OC and top draw perf better than 680 OC. The Nvidia fanbois are at best delusional when their 680 OC can't beat a HD 7970 OC clearly in a game like BF3 which is one of GTX 680's strongest games. :D As far as Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 OC is concerned its a great buy if your budget is USD 400. But if you can afford USD 479 , for max perf I would ask you to pick the Sapphire HD 7970 OC anyday given faster RAM and supposedly better binning.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102982
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Thats impressive and all but my 7950 1280/6700 can take care of all of those:)
 
Banenwn said:
7950 has always been a good buy.Even at $460 the gtx 580 was still more at the time the 7950 was released.The only time you could really argue the 7950 was not a good buy was right when the gtx 680 launched.Even then i cant really say it was a bad buy when you can overclock a 7950 to beat a gtx 680 stock pretty easily
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I have to disagree. Why are you comparing it most overpriced card in last few years then calling it a good buy? That's like saying dog crap smells better than cat crap. Do you understand performace/$? Compare that $450 to half price at the time 6950, GTX 448s, GTX 570s for $270.

Now it's an okay buy so I recommended it on pp1 but still performance/$ is pretty average but not as bad as GTX 580 probably most overpriced card out ATM.
 
I too am in the market for a new GPU. I was holding off for the GTX680 but this wait is insane. The 7970 looks like a good deal at $470, 7950 at $410.

The only thing is that it looks looks like the 7970 needs to be overclocked in order to beat a 680. Not too sure how stable this will be in the long run.

I also have a 1080p 120hz tn Nvision display. So by going with AMD I loose out on 3D. But not like I ever purchased this display for the intent on 3D anyways. But I surly paid for it and it wouldn't be bad to try out at least once :/

I currently have a 5850 and so far I haven't been too effected by AMD's crappy drivers, mainly because I never played the games that where effected by them. But AMD's driver history is for sure another issue to consider.
 
Since Kepler is released and the 7900s have dropped in price, yes this is a good time to buy. 7950 is best bang for the buck and can perform almost as good as 7970 as others have stated in this thread. Also, I am pretty sure you get 3 free games with a 7950 purchase, so that is something to consider as well.
 
BurntToast said:
What 7950 are you running? Would 1280/6700 work 24/7 as a daily driver or are these your benchmarking only numbers?
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His IceQ 7950 Stable 1280/6700 $399 on newegg.I could game at that but stick with 1250 on the core never go above 62 degrees at 70% fan speed.tis the quietest card i ever had to 100% fan speed is barely audible
 
ZoNe said:
I have to disagree. Why are you comparing it most overpriced card in last few years then calling it a good buy? That's like saying dog crap smells better than cat crap. Do you understand performace/$? Compare that $450 to half price at the time 6950, GTX 448s, GTX 570s for $270.

Now it's an okay buy so I recommended it on pp1 but still performance/$ is pretty average but not as bad as GTX 580 probably most overpriced card out ATM.
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There was nothing out other then the 7970 for it to compete with other then the gtx 580.Considering that fully overclocked it is literally faster then a stock gtx 580 by 50-70% that was not a bad price.Bottom line it was top dog for a few months.Please dont compare lesser cards it has always been like that.You are paying for the best and it comes with a premium and for me even at $460 the 7950 was not a bad deal.You also do know that with my overclock im bordering on sli 570's what do 2 of those cost?To add im mostley saying the 7970 was always overpriced and for over $100 less at launch the 7950 clock for clock is every bit the card the 7970 is so yes i feel even at that price point it was a good buy at the time.Maybe for 1080p ya its far to much and to high of a price but lets see what a 6950 can do against a 7950 at 5760x1080,or how about a gtx 570 at 5760x1080?Oh wait thats right you have to buy 2 of those for 3 monitors whats that $600?
 
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raghu78 said:
If you are going to OC the HD 7970 can take care of even 680 OC. So just go ahead and get this dynamite of a card Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 OC.

Battlefield 3

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/10/sapphire_hd_7970_oc_edition_video_card_review/7

A 1.1 Ghz stock voltage OC HD 7970 will take care of 680 in BF3. Voltage OC HD 7970 will take care of 1.3+ Ghz GTX 680.
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I don't understand why you have to keep spreading false information. If you look closely, the 7970 in the hardocp review was based on a 1280Mhz Voltage modded 7970, and in contrast, the GTX680 used in the review was a reference GTX680. I have repeatedly told this to you in other threads, and it seems you never learn. Check the following result from the real comparison, OC stock voltage 680 vs OC stock voltage 7970.

Battlefield 3:
ASUS Geforce 680 TOP 1137core / 1267 boost / 6000 memory (stock voltage)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-680-asus-directcu-ii-top-review/21

HD 7970 OC 1125 core / 6300 memory (stock voltage)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-overclock-guide/16

GTX680 is clearly faster than 7970. At the same time, if you really read through 2 articles thoroughly, you can find out that, the 7970 was pushed to its OC limit under stock voltage, and GTX680 was able to be OCed further to 1227 core/1367 boost/ 7200 memory (stock voltage).
 
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yanmeng said:
I don't understand why you have to keep spreading false information. If you look closely, the 7970 in the hardocp review was based on a 1280Mhz Voltage modded 7970. I have repeatedly telling this to you in other threads, and it seems you never learn. Check the following result from the real comparison, OC stock voltage 680 vs OC stock voltage 7970.

Battlefield 3:
ASUS Geforce 680 TOP 1137core / 1267 boost / 6000 memory (stock voltage)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-680-asus-directcu-ii-top-review/21

HD 7970 OC 1125 core / 6300 memory (stock voltage)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-overclock-guide/16

GTX680 is clearly faster than 7970. At the same time, if you really read through 2 articles thoroughly, you can find out that, the 7970 was pushed to its OC limit under stock voltage, and GTX680 was able to be OCed further to 1227 core/1367 boost/ 7200 memory (stock voltage).
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Read what I said clearly. Don't impulsively reply. " A 1.1 Ghz stock voltage OC HD 7970 will take care of 680 " not 680 OC version. The ASUS GTX 680 TOP is a top of the line binned 680 OC card with more than 125 Mhz extra clock in boost compared to HD 7970 (1125 Mhz) . For stock GTX 680

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-review/21

GTX 680 OC'd to 1227/ 1367 / 7200 can be taken care of by voltage OC HD 7970 at 1.25 - 1.3 Ghz.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/10/sapphire_hd_7970_oc_edition_video_card_review/7

Want proof

HD 7970 (950 Mhz ) avg 40 min 27
HD 7970 (1280 Mhz) avg 50.7 min 34
(scaling 94% from 950 to 1280 Mhz 40 x 1280 / 950 x 0.94 = 50.66)
GTX 680 (1.1 Ghz turbo) avg 42.9 min 25

Let me give the GTX 680 a 1.35 Ghz OC (with 95% scaling which I doubt)
(42.9 x 1.35/ 1.1 x 0.95 = 50.01)

The GTX 680 OC'd to 1.35 Ghz might be slightly ahead at 1080p (maybe <5 %)against a HD 7970 OC'd to 1.3 Ghz . At 2560 x 1600 GTX 680 OC will at best draw or fall slightly behind.

And for your information BF3 is one of the games where Nvidia is supposedly strong. There are games where GTX 680 OC'd to 1.35 Ghz will get murdered by HD 7970 OC'd to 1.3 Ghz like Crysis Warhead, Metro 2033, Alan Wake, Crysis 2 ( 20 - 25%) :D
 
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raghu78 said:
Read what I said clearly. Don't impulsively reply. " A 1.1 Ghz stock voltage OC HD 7970 will take care of 680 " not 680 OC version. The ASUS GTX 680 TOP is a top of the line binned 680 OC card with more than 125 Mhz extra clock in boost compared to HD 7970 (1125 Mhz) . For stock GTX 680

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-review/21

GTX 680 OC'd to 1227/ 1367 / 7200 can be taken care of by voltage OC HD 7970 at 1.25 - 1.3 Ghz.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/10/sapphire_hd_7970_oc_edition_video_card_review/7

Want proof

HD 7970 (950 Mhz ) avg 40 min 27
HD 7970 (1280 Mhz) avg 50.7 min 34
(scaling 94% from 950 to 1280 Mhz 40 x 1280 / 950 x 0.94 = 50.66)
GTX 680 (1.1 Ghz turbo) avg 42.9 min 25

Let me give the GTX 680 a 1.35 Ghz OC (with 95% scaling which I doubt)
(42.9 x 1.35/ 1.1 x 0.95 = 50.01)

The GTX 680 OC'd to 1.35 Ghz might be slightly ahead at 1080p (maybe <5 %)against a HD 7970 OC'd to 1.3 Ghz . At 2560 x 1600 GTX 680 OC will at best draw or fall slightly behind.

And for your information BF3 is one of the games where Nvidia is supposedly strong. There are games where GTX 680 OC'd to 1.35 Ghz will get murdered by HD 7970 OC'd to 1.3 Ghz like Crysis Warhead, Metro 2033, Alan Wake, Crysis 2 ( 20 - 25%) :D
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Unfortunately, your math is based on your own assumption and incorrect data.

According to hardocp review.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/04/nvidia_kepler_geforce_gtx_680_overclocking_review/3

Once reference GTX680 is OCed to 1116 core/1181 boost/7000 memory, GTX680 achieved better than 0.95 scaling.

GTX680 reference clock (1006 core/1058 boost/6000 memory)
BF3: 55.2
Batman Arkham Aslyum: 48.8

GTX680 with +110 OC (1116 core/1181 boost/7000 memory)
BF3: 61.8
Batman Arkham Aslyum: 54.8

With 10.9% increase in core clock and 11.6% increase in boost clock, the game performance was increased by 11.9% and 12.3% in these 2 games. This translates to at least 1.03 scaling. I know you also noticed that the memory is OCed from 6000 to 7000. However, the number you picked from 1280mhz 7970 was also based on a memory OC from 5700mhz to 7440mhz.

Additionally, it is very rare for 7970 to be able to OC to 1250mhz without increasing voltage and almost impossible to OC to 1280mhz without increasing voltage. On the other hand, GTX680 is able to OC to 1367mhz without increasing voltage at all. If you don't agree, please show us a 7970 that can be OCed to 1250mhz without voltage modification, and please stop dreaming about your 1300mhz 7970 fantasy.
 
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making this difficult for me. well i guess i have a 30 day return policy almost everywhere.
 
yanmeng said:
Unfortunately, your math is based on your own assumption and incorrect data.

According to hardocp review.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/04/nvidia_kepler_geforce_gtx_680_overclocking_review/3

Once reference GTX680 is OCed to 1116 core/1181 boost/7000 memory, GTX680 achieved better than 0.95 scaling.

GTX680 reference clock (1006 core/1058 boost/6000 memory)
BF3: 55.2
Batman Arkham Aslyum: 48.8

GTX680 with +110 OC (1116 core/1181 boost/7000 memory)
BF3: 61.8
Batman Arkham Aslyum: 54.8

With 10.9% increase in core clock and 11.6% increase in boost clock, the game performance was increased by 11.9% and 12.3% in these 2 games. This translates to at least 1.03 scaling. I know you also noticed that the memory is OCed from 6000 to 7000. However, the number you picked from 1280mhz 7970 was also based on a memory OC from 5700mhz to 7440mhz.

Additionally, it is very rare for 7970 to be able to OC to 1250mhz without increasing voltage and almost impossible to OC to 1280mhz without increasing voltage. On the other hand, GTX680 is able to OC to 1367mhz without increasing voltage at all. If you don't agree, please show us a 7970 that can be OCed to 1250mhz without voltage modification, and please stop dreaming about your 1300mhz 7970 fantasy.
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You have quoted benchmarks of 2560 x 1600 Ultra FXAA. I have quoted 2560 x 1600 Ultra 4X MSAA which is bandwidth hungry. I can bet the GTX 680 will struggle to scale at even 0.95. Keep dreaming that it will scale better than HD 7970 OC. Wait for a custom GTX 680 OC review from [h] to see the results.
I have already mentioned that voltage OC is required to hit 1250 Mhz. I am talking of a custom card like Sapphire HD 7970 OC being able to hit those speeds. The [H] review was able to hit 1280 Mhz. Whats your problem. I have told repeatedly that BF3 is one of Nvidia's strongest games when HD 7970 925 Mhz stock vs GTX 680 is compared but quickly changes to parity when OC'd to the max on both HD 7970 and GTX 680. Whose fault is it if Nvidia does not allow voltage OC on GTX 680 ? You are clutching at straws here dude. And you conveniently failed to respond to my comment on the games where GTX 680 will get slaughtered. Plus you forgot to look at price perf which is one of the reasons for GTX 680's glowing reviews but the situation has since changed :D
 
7950, 7970 are just a waste of money Imo.

you get Way better price/performence plus the performence is really close.
 
Eh in my opinion overclocking to the absolute max isn't always needed, as that last few frames always costs a lot more in power and heat output.

Just do the standard 10-20% over and be done with it.. oh wait thats not the Hard way, but thats fine for most of us ;) Like with SB, peoples obsession with 5Ghz when 4.6Ghz suits me just fine...
 
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