Building new (first custom) PC help.

o2taku

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1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? etc
90% gaming, for sure. Might watch some 720/1080 rips but have a PS3 for movies.

2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included?
$1500-2000 CAD. Does not matter as I'm not trying to max it out.

3) Where do you live?
Victoria, BC, Canada.

4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. Please be very specific.
Can't really be specific, as I essentially need everything. Do want an aftermarket CPU heatsink though.

5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model.
Soundblaster X-Fi Xtrememusic (PCI)

6) Will you be overclocking?
Plan to do it for CPU, not so much for GPU (not planning to buy an aftermarket cooler)

7) What size monitor do you have and/or plan to have?
32" 1080p (1920x1080)

8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC?
To be safe, around a month. Not concrete though, could be sooner or a bit later, but not very far off.

9) What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? etc.
Crossfire/SLI depending on mobo recommended. Not planning to immediately but will explain below.

10) Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license?
No.

I plan on purchasing from NCIX. This is my projected build, though many things are not concrete yet (my reason for posting).

CPU - i7 920
Motherboard - Gigabyte EX58-UD3R
RAM - Corsair XMS3 TR3X6G1600C9
PSU - Corsair HX620W CMPSU-620HX
GPU - Radeon 4890/GeForce GTX 275
Case - Antec Nine Hundred (Two?)
Optical Drive(s) - 2x LG GH22NS30 Black DVD+RW 22X8X16
HDD - Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1500GB 1.5TB
CPU Heatsink - Undecided.
OS - Windows Vista x64

Okay, so time to go in-depth. This is my first computer I plan on building (though I have very experienced help - shouldn't be many building issues). I've been a long-time 'browser.' However, I've been out of the loop since around the GeForce 9800 series time. What I want to do is build a computer I suppose is the equivalent of what may have been the 'E6600/8800GT' build from a while back. I don't really plan on spending more than I need to if the performance to price ratio doesn't call for it.

To be honest, the only concrete part of the build is the i7. I really just chose the cheapest mobo and RAM that seems fitting. This is where the help comes I suppose. The one thing I do want, is the option to SLI/Crossfire later down the road. This is why I chose the PSU I listed. I want to choose the GPU based on the mobo recommended.

Another thing is if there may be an issue with the case and mobo. I heard the Antec Nine Hundred has the PSU on the bottom, so I want to be prepared if cable length will be an issue.

Again, any suggestions is welcomed. Thanks.
 
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regarding the GPU, I just want to mention that my GTX 285 SSC is hardly enough @ 1680x1050 (22” monitor), in games like FarCry2 & H.A.W.X with everything maxed, frame rates drops to like 42, so I guess GTX 275 @ 1920x1080 isn’t really appropriate for a gamming rig.
 
Get this instead if ordering from NCIX

CPU - Intel Core i7 920 for $336
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=34598&vpn=BX80601920&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1087

MOBO - ASUS P6T SE X58 ATX LGA1366 DDR3 for $270 ($15 MIR)
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38342&vpn=P6T SE&manufacture=ASUS

RAM - OCZ Gold OCZ3G1600LV6GK 6GB DDR3 3X2GB DDR3-1600 for $113
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=35710&vpn=OCZ3G1600LV6GK&manufacture=OCZ Technology

PSU - Antec Earthwatts 650W Power Supply for $105
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=30037&vpn=EA650&manufacture=Antec

VIDEO CARD - XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB 850MHZ 1GB for $225
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=37430&vpn=HD489AZDFC&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1087

CASE - Cooler Master RC 680 for $90 (more room than Antec Nine Hundred 2)(Combo Deal with Vista O/S priced at $133.85 when purchased with case)
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26048&vpn=RC-690-KKN1&manufacture=COOLERMASTER

OPTICAL - Samsung 22X for $30
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38115&vpn=SH-S223F/BEBE&manufacture=Samsung

HDD - Western Digital WD1001FALS Caviar Black 1TB for $97
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?...S&manufacture=Western Digital WD&promoid=1087

HEATSINK - Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme 1366RT for $79
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=34994&vpn=U120E-1366-RT&manufacture=Thermalright

OPTICAL - Samsung SH-S223F Black 22X DVD Writer for $30
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38115&vpn=SH-S223F/BEBE&manufacture=Samsung

Total: $1,345 w/o O/S $1,478.85 with O/S


For more performance, you can swap out the XFX 4890 1GB vid card for this XFX Radeon HD 4870X2 2GB for $460 ($30 MIR)
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=36103&vpn=HD487ACDF9&manufacture=XFX
 
Hmm.. come to think of it, that 4870X2 is twice the price of that Radeon HD 4890 1GB card. Stick with the 4890 1GB for $225.
 
Avoid the 7200.11 series hard drives. Those were the drives that had the firmware issues, and the 7200.12 series (which, IIRC, don't have those issues) have recently been released. Better yet, if you can afford to, go with the Western Digital Caviar Black series HDDs instead. (Do you really need over 1TB of storage space?)

As firas alluded to earlier, the HD4890 won't allow you to max out all games. But you can still get decent performance if you're willing to adjust the visual settings down from "ultra freakin' high with everything turned on at the same time!!!!"
 
I'd also stick with 1TB drives; they seem to be more reliable than 1.5Tb/2TB drives (still waiting for them to 'mature'). The firmware issues with 7200.11 can be fixed with a firmware update (had to fix mine manually, and update the firmware, but it's doing fine). That said, since you are doing plenty of gaming, I think you'll be happy with the WD BLACK drive, it's supposed to be a higher performance line than their consumer Blue line and energy efficiency Green line. Plus it comes with 5yr warranty.
 
Get this instead if ordering from NCIX

CPU - Intel Core i7 920 for $336
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=34598&vpn=BX80601920&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1087

MOBO - ASUS P6T SE X58 ATX LGA1366 DDR3 for $270 ($15 MIR)
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38342&vpn=P6T SE&manufacture=ASUS

RAM - OCZ Gold OCZ3G1600LV6GK 6GB DDR3 3X2GB DDR3-1600 for $113
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=35710&vpn=OCZ3G1600LV6GK&manufacture=OCZ Technology

PSU - Antec Earthwatts 650W Power Supply for $105
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=30037&vpn=EA650&manufacture=Antec

VIDEO CARD - XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB 850MHZ 1GB for $225
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=37430&vpn=HD489AZDFC&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1087

CASE - Cooler Master RC 680 for $90 (more room than Antec Nine Hundred 2)(Combo Deal with Vista O/S priced at $133.85 when purchased with case)
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26048&vpn=RC-690-KKN1&manufacture=COOLERMASTER

OPTICAL - Samsung 22X for $30
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38115&vpn=SH-S223F/BEBE&manufacture=Samsung

HDD - Western Digital WD1001FALS Caviar Black 1TB for $97
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?...S&manufacture=Western Digital WD&promoid=1087

HEATSINK - Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme 1366RT for $79
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=34994&vpn=U120E-1366-RT&manufacture=Thermalright

OPTICAL - Samsung SH-S223F Black 22X DVD Writer for $30
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38115&vpn=SH-S223F/BEBE&manufacture=Samsung

Total: $1,345 w/o O/S $1,478.85 with O/S


For more performance, you can swap out the XFX 4890 1GB vid card for this XFX Radeon HD 4870X2 2GB for $460 ($30 MIR)
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=36103&vpn=HD487ACDF9&manufacture=XFX

Hmm, that's quite a solid build from what I see.

However, do you think I'll need the extra space that case provides? I'm admittedly not a huge fan of that design. Also, I'm kind of wanting a modular PSU for this build, though I have heard great things about the Earthwatts.

And I think I will go with the 1TB Black. I never realized the issues the 1.5tb+ drives have had.
 
Cases are a matter of personal taste. If you decide to get the Nine Hundred II, we can't really stop you. ;)

Since you have some room in your case to work with, a modular PSU is more of a luxury than a necessity. Plus, you'd pay at least $50CAD more for a decent quality modular PSU (like the Corsair HX520)
 
Okay, so I admit I've been procrastinating about this since I don't know so much about cases or PSUs. However, I really do want to finalize a build soon.

What I'm looking at right now is:

CPU - Intel Core i7 920
Mobo - ASUS P6T SE X58 ATX LGA1366 DDR3
RAM - OCZ Gold OCZ3G1600LV6GK 6GB DDR3 3X2GB DDR3-1600
GPU - XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB 850MHZ 1GB
Optical Drives - 2x Samsung SH-S223F Black 22X DVD Writer
HDD - Western Digital WD1001FALS Caviar Black 1TB
CPU Heatsink - Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme 1366RT
PSU - Corsair HX620W CMPSU-620HX
Case - Antec Nine Hundred Two

I'm still deciding on the OS since I realize Windows 7 is coming quite soon. I also haven't listed prices because they seem to fluctuate, and because I think I will try the price matching feature on NCIX for the parts with huge price differences.

As long as I know these parts are fine and that there is nothing that conflicts with eachother, hopefully that is enough.
 
Don't go i7 as the i7 is not worthwhile for gaming. I would almost never buy an i7 for pure gaming unless you had some serious money to blow.
 
There's always this guy in these kinds of threads, so I'll be him....

I'd wait until at least Windows 7 comes out. You can pre-order from Newegg and other sites right now.

If you can wait even longer, you might want to wait until the next series of GPU's come out which should be this fall/winter. Although waiting for new GPU's is a crap shoot.
 
Could always go for Win7 beta. According to the MS website, they will allow you to use it free until spring of next year. Thats what I'm gonna do.
 
I agree, you don't need an i7 for single vidcard gaming, but get what you want. ;) Those parts look good. Why two optical drives? :confused: ... and both of the same kind? at the least, I'd expect two different models -- if one can't read the disc, the other may?
 
Don't go i7 as the i7 is not worthwhile for gaming. I would almost never buy an i7 for pure gaming unless you had some serious money to blow.
I know i7 is overkill for pure gaming, but that's not the only thing I plan on doing (though mostly why I want a new computer). Probably nothing that calls for i7, but it would help futureproof for a new GPU.
There's always this guy in these kinds of threads, so I'll be him....

I'd wait until at least Windows 7 comes out. You can pre-order from Newegg and other sites right now.

If you can wait even longer, you might want to wait until the next series of GPU's come out which should be this fall/winter. Although waiting for new GPU's is a crap shoot.
I admit, waiting until Windows 7 is out would be convenient, but I should mention it is my summertime right now, so I do want to make good use while I can. Waiting until then could be a nice thing, but not really what I was intending. I also plan on upgrading the GPU later once there is a good replacement.
Could always go for Win7 beta. According to the MS website, they will allow you to use it free until spring of next year. Thats what I'm gonna do.
I should look into that - it seems it could be nice. However, if I bought the Windows 7 upgrade edition, do I need to install a legit OS before it would work? I assume the beta wouldn't work for the upgrade.
I agree, you don't need an i7 for single vidcard gaming, but get what you want. ;) Those parts look good. Why two optical drives? :confused: ... and both of the same kind? at the least, I'd expect two different models -- if one can't read the disc, the other may?
I do want the i7 since it is phasing out soon, as well as leaving the option of GPU upgrading open without bottlenecking. And you do make a good point about the optical drives. I like having two for convenience, as I often leave something like a TV show DVD in one drive. I might choose the samsung and the LG I posted initially - the GH22NS30 Black DVD+RW 22X8X16.

I do feel like I'm compromising if I choose anything less than an i7 right now, as I like having the options later on - which would lead to me not having to build a new computer as fast.
 
You can't "futureproof" the video card. It's the fastest depreciating component within the entire computer system since the high-end refreshes itself every 12 to 18 months -- you'll probably be replacing the video card more often that you would any other part in the computer.

The Core i7 isn't being phased out, though the 940 is going to be replaced by the 950 some time soon.

Unless you perform lots of disc-to-disc burning, it makes no sense to have two DVD drives nowadays.
 
You can't "futureproof" the video card. It's the fastest depreciating component within the entire computer system since the high-end refreshes itself every 12 to 18 months -- you'll probably be replacing the video card more often that you would any other part in the computer.

The Core i7 isn't being phased out, though the 940 is going to be replaced by the 950 some time soon.

Unless you perform lots of disc-to-disc burning, it makes no sense to have two DVD drives nowadays.

Core i7 is a good choice for right now. It's more 'future proof' as the x58 and i7 aren't going anywhere anytime soon. The x48 and C2D 'old' (relatively speaking) and wont have as much life as the 'new' x58 and i7. Also, although for gaming there's not a huge different between C2D and i7, there is for just about everything else. To me, it doesn't make sense not get an i7 if you can spend the little bit of extra money, as the difference in prices between the systems is may $200 at most.

And I agree about the GPU. You'll probably be replacing the GPU a lot more often then you will your CPU as many games aren't CPU-bound as they are GPU-bound, so more often then not you'll be wanting to upgrade your GPU rather than our CPU over the lifetime of your computer.
 
I would also like to mention that if you plan on sli/crossfire, the HX520 will not cut it. The 620 might but i would get the TX750. Its not modular but the Antec 900two has improved cable management so you can get away with it. Its hard to get a powerfull modular psu if you're on a budget.
 
I should look into that - it seems it could be nice. However, if I bought the Windows 7 upgrade edition, do I need to install a legit OS before it would work? I assume the beta wouldn't work for the upgrade.

I am sure it wont work to just buy the upgrade, but an OEM copy should be roughly $100 next year. Or, you could always dig around at Goodwill or something for a copy of XP. I got a legit copy of 98 that way!
 
Wow, it's been two weeks since the last reply in this thread, but I figure I might as well post in here again.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, but I meant future proofing the CPU so that the next GPU I get would not bottleneck.

I actually helped build my uncle a budget build, which then made me want mine sooner. I really didn't feel like explaining again so I just went with a modified build of what I posted earlier:

i7 920
OCZ Gold 6GB
Corsair HX850W
Antec 900v2
WD Caviar Black 1TB
Radeon HD 4890
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme
Samsung and LG DVD drives
Asus P6T SE
Vista 64-bit Home Premium

Unfortunately I decided the only way to get the 64-bit OS was to buy Vista, which added another $130. After PMing with various sites it cost around $1700 in total, which I suppose isn't too bad. Another reason I jumped on this computer all of a sudden was the free ground shipping from NCIX, which was during their stampede sales with the 1TB WD. Unfortunately, the half price deal on Win7 upgrade is done, so I will have to relook my future options.

However, I do have two issues. One was that I stacked both side panels together, and ended up scratching the side window on the 900v2. The other was that one of the eight case PSU cables were pulled out, so only one of the two front USBs work now. I suppose I can use some sort of product to lessen the scratch, but can the USB be fixed? It seems that since it's built into the case I may be out of luck?
 
PSU cables were pulled out, yet USB don't work? What? :confused:
PSU = Power Supply Unit

Your best bet is to RMA the case with NCIX or Antec (try NCIX first). Oh, and I wouldn't mention the scratch on the window. :p
 
Whoops, sorry, didn't know how I managed not to notice what I wrote there. I meant that the connector - the one running from the case - that goes into the motherboard to power the two front USBs, has eight small wires that connect to it. One of them however was pulled out, so only one of the two USBs work. I assume there is no fix to this - and RMA seems quite a large hassle for this since that and the scratch are the only issues.

I'm also wondering - my P6T SE is a crossfire board. However, would I be able to add my old 8800GTS 320mb in the second slot and use it as a PhysX card? I know you can't do this in Vista, but perhaps when I move to Windows 7 this could work out? Given it's a spare card and my PSU should be able to handle it, would there be any issues with doing this?
 
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