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Building Dual Xeon COMP

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y3yar3a

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sup guys i am new to this forum and wanted your opinion what parts i should get for my new comp i am thinking of building

so far i got

2 Intel Xeon 3.06

i need a opinion whats a good parts to build a dual xeon system
 
I'd get 64 bit Xeon Nacona's. Screw the 3.06. Get the 3.0 Xeon's with 800MHz FSB. The FSB increase helps alot with performance. I'd look into an Asus, Supermicro or Tyan motherboard. That's just my opnion.
 
What's your budget? What are you going to use if for? How much performance do you really need?

Answer those questions and we can help you build a killer rig. :)

ps. Nocona sounds good :).
 
ASUS PC-DL is a good cost-effective board for dual xeons. It's hard finding good boards for workstation use (good AGP and what-not).
 
potroast said:
ASUS PC-DL is a good cost-effective board for dual xeons. It's hard finding good boards for workstation use (good AGP and what-not).
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That board doesn't support Xeon's with EMT64 technology and an 800MHz FSB. Although Asus does have a newer board out that does support those chips based on the PC-DL design.

Also they have a new board that supports those chips and has PCI-Express and DDR2.
 
while the pc-dl doesnt support 800 fsb it is possible to reach it. i currently have 2 3.6ghz 800 fsb xeons on mine with dual channel ddr400. of course they started out as 2.4/533/m0's
 
Bling said:
while the pc-dl doesnt support 800 fsb it is possible to reach it. i currently have 2 3.6ghz 800 fsb xeons on mine with dual channel ddr400. of course they started out as 2.4/533/m0's
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Of course. The i875P chipset supports 800MHz FSB CPU's, however it wasn't designed for Nacona's thermal requirements and tolerances, or it's voltages. Therefore it can not use Nacona's.
 
first i like to thank you guys for responding and giving your opinion

Sir-Fragalot
I'd get 64 bit Xeon Nacona's. Screw the 3.06. Get the 3.0 Xeon's with 800MHz FSB. The FSB increase helps alot with performance. I'd look into an Asus, Supermicro or Tyan motherboard. That's just my opnion.

sounds nice but i aint got no clue whats the naconas is so. xeon 3.06 is 1 fast processor i dont think its a bad chip to go,faster then the pent 4 and most of the amd's its gonna be a dual xeons 3.06 so its gonna be mighty fast, faster then the g4 mac :) even though it doesnt have 800 mhz of system bus it got 533mhz and 1 mb L3 cache and there are 2 of them,i still dont know what motherboard to get its probably gonna be what u said, Asus, Supermicro or Tyan motherboard,those are good motherboards and ill just to see whats the best one to get.


dbc
What's your budget? What are you going to use if for? How much performance do you really need?

Answer those questions and we can help you build a killer rig.

ps. Nocona sounds good .

well its kinda hard to say whats my budget i aint really sure how much i am really suppose to spend i dont want to get ripped off pay more then it cost but i was thinking like 2 or 2,500 k , but i really dout thats how muhc ill send monitor it self is gonna be like 500-700 and the video card is gonna be like 600 or 700 so i know i am gonna be sepnding close to 3.and i know thats a lot i can probably buy a comp from dell for cheaper but at least i know everything is custom made and stuff i got a custom case for it too,i trying to get as much performance as i can get out of it,its gonna be mostly everyday use. and gaming,i was thinking of just gaming,but i know ill be using it everyday for other stuff.
 
lol

less zero's the better i dont think i want to spend all my cash on a comp and be broke for the rest of the year LOL
 
Chicken Penni Pasta There is no way in hell you could get this cheaper from Dell.

The 3ghz Xeon is better than the 3.06 because of the FSB. Don't be fooled by big numbers.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-117-026&depa=1

I doubt your videocard will cost 600 dollars. Just get a 6800Ultra. This comp will definitely be a beast though.

yep this comp is gonna be a beast but i already got 2 xeons 3.06 so i am kinda stuck with them not if someone wants to buy my xeons 3.06 from me so i can buy a 3.2 or a 3.4 wiht 800mhz with FBS LOL HAHA :)
 
just buy an asus ncch-dl and run those 3.06 at 800 fsb. you could probly get a good 3.6 ghz out of them aswell. Im sorry to say but i have done the same thing with 2.4's and they cost alot less. a prestonia xeon at 800 fsb outperforms a nocona xeon. it also runs cooler. 64 bit means very little right now anyway. most poeple dont understand how cheap a dual xeon rig could have been. if you remember a few weeks back there was a deal for a pair of 1.6 ghz low voltage xeons. they pretty much overclock to 2.8ghz and at 800 fsb aswell. all that for 120 dollars. but yoou need a mobo aswell , an asus pc-dl costs 150 dollars and is capable of all that. now that is two xeon proccesors and a capable mobo for only 270 dollars. next just use some ddr400 ram and reuse your hdd and cdrom and video card and you have a dual xeon system for an extremely cheap price. and since the xeons have an 800mhz fsb and run at 2.8 ghz p,lus it performs aswell as a p4c in gaming.
 
just outta curiosity is this a good deal? this seemed to be the thread to ask it in...

"2x 2.8ghz 533mhz fsb 512kb l2 cache xeons
asus pc-dl delux dual xeon motherboard...sata, gigabit ethernet, onboard 5.1
fortron 550 watt power supply 24pin xeon ps "

$670 shipped
 
Bling said:
just buy an asus ncch-dl and run those 3.06 at 800 fsb. you could probly get a good 3.6 ghz out of them aswell. Im sorry to say but i have done the same thing with 2.4's and they cost alot less. a prestonia xeon at 800 fsb outperforms a nocona xeon. it also runs cooler. 64 bit means very little right now anyway. most poeple dont understand how cheap a dual xeon rig could have been. if you remember a few weeks back there was a deal for a pair of 1.6 ghz low voltage xeons. they pretty much overclock to 2.8ghz and at 800 fsb aswell. all that for 120 dollars. but yoou need a mobo aswell , an asus pc-dl costs 150 dollars and is capable of all that. now that is two xeon proccesors and a capable mobo for only 270 dollars. next just use some ddr400 ram and reuse your hdd and cdrom and video card and you have a dual xeon system for an extremely cheap price. and since the xeons have an 800mhz fsb and run at 2.8 ghz p,lus it performs aswell as a p4c in gaming.
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You do have a good point. There is just one problem. When your overclocking there is no guarantee you'll get the numbers you want. OC'ing is hard enough. It's even harder to match overclocks exactly on two processor systems.

And yes $670 is a good deal for all of that.
 
matched m0 proccesors will get you 3.6 each and thats pretty accurate. they will perform the same and overclock pretty much the same. there is a huge 300 page thread on 2cpu.com forums that has poeple that have done it
 
Bling

its a good point u have but theres no reson to overclock a xeon that would just be f... stupid ,xeons are for servers and workstations and thye are already fast enought faster then crappy pent 4 so whne u get a dual xeon thats even faster so there n point of overclocking it cuz with dual 2.4 xeons u wont have any lag and i mean any lag cuz my boy got a comp wiht a pair of dual 2.4 xeons his crap never lagz he plays games at the highest resolution as he can and i never see his comp lag so if his never lags at dual 2.4 a 3.06 will just blow his doors off completely .

IceWeasel

the price is not bad

the xeons 2.4 are cheap there like 180 bucks a pop and the mother board is like 200 bucks , the power supply is 114 bucks

if u want to find cheap comp parts the best site i know of is
http://www.pricewatch.com/
got some really good stuff in there :) check i out
 
y3yar3a said:
Bling

its a good point u have but theres no reson to overclock a xeon that would just be f... stupid ,xeons are for servers and workstations and thye are already fast enought faster then crappy pent 4 so whne u get a dual xeon thats even faster so there n point of overclocking it cuz with dual 2.4 xeons u wont have any lag and i mean any lag cuz my boy got a comp wiht a pair of dual 2.4 xeons his crap never lagz he plays games at the highest resolution as he can and i never see his comp lag so if his never lags at dual 2.4 a 3.06 will just blow his doors off completely .

IceWeasel

the price is not bad

the xeons 2.4 are cheap there like 180 bucks a pop and the mother board is like 200 bucks , the power supply is 114 bucks

if u want to find cheap comp parts the best site i know of is
http://www.pricewatch.com/
got some really good stuff in there :) check i out
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This is the worst post ever.... First of all, pricewatch is a HORRIBLE site. Listings are inaccurate, and most shops will not honor pricing listed. furthermore, the few shops that do are very shady. Stay far away from pricewatch.

Also, do you even know what you're talking about? Obviously not. You state that there's no point of ocing a xeon? of course there is!!! To make it faster! Oh, and btw, SMP adds overhead over UP systems... So what if it was for a server/workstation? A workstation is just a high-power desktop... gah there's so many things wrong with your post that I can't even touch them all...
 
Xeon's aren't faster than Pentium 4's. Actually since you started that topic I'll touch on it.

Pentium 4's and Xeon's may have different code names for thier cores, but I assure you

Other than cache memory they are the same. They share the same instruction sets, die size and FPU and Interger performance. There is no difference in design. They run about the same temps at the same clock speeds.

Most Xeon motherboards require registered ram. That's slower than standard ram. The Xeon may also have more cache memory which is helpfull in server applications, but isn't faster at anything that isn't cache dependant. In fact it's slower. The 533MHz bus kills it when compared to the Pentium 4. Even the larger cache doesn't compensate for this.

In fact the 3.4EE is the fastest Intel Processor out there. It has 800MHz FSB 512K L2, 2MB L3 and it's the faster Northwood core. This chip dusts ANY Xeon.

Now with the Nacona it's evened up a bit. It's got an 800MHz FSB, but it's got a Prescott based core. It's got 1MB L2 but there aren't any MP versions yet that I know of. Also it doesn't have any versions with L3 yet.

Vs. Prescott the new Nacona Xeon is just as fast. With more cache memory it would be faster than the Prescott. Since they both now support EMT64, the only advantage to the Xeon will be SMP and later on models with more cache.
 
hmmm very intresting topics

ye duh ocing making it faster ,its not like uz gonna see a whole crap load of , it makes everything goes10 x hotter then u it probably over heat and there u go u wasted 500 bucks for each xeon for what just so u can be cool and your comp go a lil faster , ill oc my 866 mhz comp cuz its a pice of shit and its slow there no need to oc a a dual xeon when u got HT on its not like its gonna lag its a dual processor comp with HT which is like having 2 more processors u can play games and do multitasking all at once everything will go fine ill oc a comp only if its needed not juts ot make it go a lil faster nad take a risk of having electrosity bill to rase or overheat my processors and waste 1,000 bucks

so u saying the In fact the 3.4EE is the fastest Intel Processor out there

is faster then a dual xeon 3.6 ??

well either way i am still stuck with this xeons and i know this dual xeons 3.06 's will make a 1 killer rig i just need to finda good motherboard and the rest of the parts
i am thinking of the PC-DL Delux motherboard by asus ? what u think of that

i know i am gonna get a geforce 6800 ultra video card so i know ill be needing a 500 watt + or more power supply


thats not including the rest of the parts
 
heres something intresting i found


Combos:

- ASUS PC-DL motherboard with I/O shield
- Two retail boxed (got everything BUT the boxes) Intel Xeon 2.0GHz CPUs with HyperThreading, modded to run up to 165FSB for 3.3GHz operation per CPU for a total of 6.6GHz and FOUR CPUs (two real, two virtual)
- Northwood core
- Heat sinks have been modified with 80mm fans and shrouds for extra cooling
- Two 512 meg sticks of Kingston HyperX PC2700 running in dual channel at 330MHz and 2-2-2-5 timings
- Antec TRUE550 EPS12v 550-watt TruePower PSU (retail box)

this guy is selling this parts from his xeon system but its a combo so ill see if i can get something out of it ,the motherboard the ram and the power would work and defintly would help me build this killer rig coomp a lot faster if i can find good parts for cheap 1 by 1 or howevever :)
 
in a game your only gonna get performance of one of yours proccesiors so its good to have a 3.6 ghz xeon on an overxloxked 800 fsb bus and a prestonia core. its more efficient and cooler then a nocona and performa better. no 64 bit though. its basicly the same as a 3.6 ghz/800fsb/512k cache/ p4c. if you want p4c level performance in gaming then you have to atleast overclcok the fsb to 800. at the same time you can easilly get 3.6 ghz out of a m0 so you can be even more happy. another thing, with stock intel coolers i get 55c load.
 
I recently asked a similar question here and after much research (and I do mean tons of research) I bought the parts for the following system. Note, I'm building it right now so it's not up and running yet.

$460 2x 2.8 nocano xeon 800's (bought from newegg.com)
$262 1x ncch-dl mb (bought from ewiz.com)
$464 4x 512mb pc3200 ddr ECC unregistered (bought direct from crucial)
$130 1x 520W OCZ PSU (bought from newegg.com)
$130 1x Aspire X-SuperAlien Tower Case (bought from xoxide.com)
$220 2x 160 gig Seagate SATA NCQ hard drives (bought from newegg.com)
$151 1x 73 gig WD Raptor 10k (bought from newegg)
$72 1x Pacific Digital SATA controller to support TCQ in the Raptor (bought form newegg)

I'm using the raptor with TCQ for the boot drive and the 2 seagate drives in raid 1 for the data drives. As soon as a pci-x controller comes out that supports NCQ I'm going to buy 2 more of those same seagate drives and run them in Raid 0+1.

For the OS I'm going to install Windows 2003.

Total spent for one mean system.

$1889
 
In games the Xeon has nothing over a Pentium 4 EE. Nothing. The Pentium 4 EE has more cache memory than your base Xeon and has a higher FSB. Plus with an i875P board you can get that 3.4EE to 3.6 or 3.8 just as easiy and get a 900MHz + FSB out of it. With faster non-registered memory it's a better choice for gaming.

For other things the Xeon may be a better choice. Overclocking Xeon's is not any harder than overclocking a Pentium 4. But for the cost of a dual Xeon setup you could build a meaner gaming box if that's what you want to do.

Games won't use the second processor at all. Also keep in mind that parallel processing doesn't mean that your machine is the equivalent to 6.0GHz+ or whatever. It just doesn't work that way. Keep this in mind when your buying your parts. If your not going to go with Nacona Xeon's Which is what I would do. I would get them and a PCI-E motherboard.

PCI-E doesn't mean more performance now, but in the future it might. Since the technology is available I would go ahead and get it now.

But anyway if your going with Prestonia's, you should get a PC-DL Deluxe and OC the shit out of them. It would be a badass system. Prestonia's are falling in price so you could put together a badass system for the money.
 
I've got a pair of 3.6Ghz Noconas on a Tumwater board. I also have a pair of 3.06GHz/1M Prestonias on a Placer board. I like the Placer system better, even though it's older technology. The thing I absolutely abhor about my Noconas are the amount of heat they put out - it's insane. I left them folding for a day while I was at work, and when I came home, the room was easily 10 degrees warmer than the rest of the house. I couldn't believe it myself, but 206W of CPUs really do make for room-warmers.
 
The PC-DL Deluxe is a pretty solid choice for a workstation board. With dual 2.8's running @ 3.0, a gig of ram, and a fast hard drive, I have zero complaints.

I have another P4 3.2 Prescott system as well. The prescott games slightly better, but within windows the PC-DL kills the Prescott system.

Since I do 95% of all my computing in windows (newsgroups, WWW, email, audio editing, media encoding, file management, file compression) this dual board is a solid choice for me.
 
the heat factor from the xeons is a real problem for me too. I am actually considering maybe using a watercooling solution because they are so bad for heat. And I've never considered using an alternative solution like that in the past.
 
sdadept said:
the heat factor from the xeons is a real problem for me too. I am actually considering maybe using a watercooling solution because they are so bad for heat. And I've never considered using an alternative solution like that in the past.
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I have mine watercooled. It's great for keeping your processors cool, but the amount of heat getting dumped into your room is the same.
 
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