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Arlocanta

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The title doesn't really tell you what I am doing I plan on taking my old psu,gpu,hdd,mobo, cpu,ram,monitor getting a case cheap one a dvd cd player burner and make a comp for my brother and family they will get the old stuff while I get the new hehe.
old stuff is a
CPU
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Windsor 2.4GHz Socket AM2 89W Dual-Core Processor Model ADA4600CUBOX
MOBO
ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD
RAM
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400C4x2
PSU
ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT 620W ATX12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply
GPU
XFX PVT71UZDF9 GeForce 7950GX2 1GB 512-bit (256-bit x2) GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Xtreme HDCP Video
HDD
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Monitor
It is a 21 inch wide screen LG flatron 2000:1 contrast ratio 5 ms recovery rate nice screen I may keep this and use an old crtv for the old build and this screen for my new build make the build cheaper.
3 year old stuff what I will be getting to finish this off to actually make it run is irrelevant.

New build I am at a lose as I have kinda not looked into new parts gpus and so on in 3 years made new comp never looked back kinda thing.
I have a 1.5 tb hdd 2 dvdcd burner drives and a COOLER MASTER CM Stacker STC-T01-UW Black/ Silver Aluminum Bezel, SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower Computer Case witch is really huge this will be for the new build maybe I might get a diffrent case and use the cmstacker for the old build not too sure so lets say I will just use the drives.
I am striken between AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core and intel i7 920 looks good but don't know the advantages and disadvantages of the two I would like to get better upgradability this time for future upgrades like change of cpu ram increase and gpu maybe even dual monitor or triple monitor in the next 2 years.
I need advice on intel and amd and I have very little time to do so less than one month to do this as I will be moving I would like suggestion on cpu, mobo, ram, gpu, and power supply (and whats the benefits off a sound card suggestions on this on too). I do a lot on my comp I have a budget of 1100-1500$ US dollars plan to get as much as I can from newegg if not all or maybe microcenter witch is close to me I would like to keep it in the 1100-1500$ range if at all possible nothing more then 1500 would be nice to be less.
Sorry for any grammar punctuation spelling and if their are any misunderstandings I am sorry and will fix that or re post an explanation.
 
Jesus that's a wall of text man. I'll do my best. Not knowing what you run for apps/games I will go for a flexible build that will do most anything well, and nothing at the top. Follow me?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.273296 mobo/cpu combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231223 memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009 PSU, reuse your CM case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150442 hesitant to reccomend a 5870 without knowing your gaming situation. This is a great card with a lifetime warranty. If you have the need spring for the 5870.

That's well within your stated budget, has room to grow with more RAM, i9 down the road, and room for 3 way SLI, and quad Xfire. If you put this together, you won't need an upgrade for some time. I'd load up on 5850's down the road if need be, but unless you get more/bigger displays you won't have to. The 5850 gives you eyefinity (3 displays) if you go that way.
 
i9 is the same socket from what I can tell its 6 core correct doesn't that come out soon.
 
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Arlocanta, please rephrase the contents in your first post by answering these questions.

Ghettobox, please list the parts and their prices in addition to the links that you have. Some of us don't have the time or energy to go through all of those links.
 
tiraides said:
Arlocanta, please rephrase the contents in your first post by answering these questions.

Ghettobox, please list the parts and their prices in addition to the links that you have. Some of us don't have the time or energy to go through all of those links.
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pretty please...
 
1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? etc
I will be doing gaming autocad, c++, web browsing( a lot having dozens of links open at a time), video, video editing, music, photoshop of course, downloading videos music, meaning using a large portion of my comps cpu and ram at one time.
2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included?
1100-1500$ budget changed.tax is not added as thats an extra for me.
3) Where do you live?
United states near a micro center and want most of the stuff from newegg.
4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. Please be very specific.
I need a cpu,mobo,ram,psu,gpu, I also need pritty cheap case dvd/cd burner combo HD for my old internals. Also a monitor 21"-28"
5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model.
CM stacker ATX full tower case hd and dvd/cd burner combo.
6) Will you be overclocking?
Possible not sure I if want to.
7) What size monitor do you have and/or plan to have?
21" to 28" multi monitor for the future possibly.
8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC?
12-18 days
9) What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? etc.
Minimum of sli and crossfire would really like quad support for both makers depending on what gpu I am getting as I am unsure of the two makers in 09 16 gig ram minimum highly upgradable for the next 2-3 years expansion slots ram and gpu upgrade possible just adding sli or crossfire.
10) Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license?
Yes I do have a legit os xp home eddition I plan on getting windows 7 as I have used xp for a very long time and its time for an upgrade on the os possible even experimenting with linux and its little brothers before W7.
Hope that hepls.
 
The HDD you want to re-use, what model is it? You can build a blazing fast i7 920 with 12GB of RAM and an HD5870, but it will still run pretty damn slow if its running off of an old WD800JB. :p My point is, your system is as fast as your slowest component.
 
Yes indeed I that I forgot to mention their are a lot of hd's out their I am looking for a small quick one and I already have a large storage drive whitch I have had to use as my main because of a dead drive and a friend giving me a defective drive but no clue on a quick hd for my main operations mind you it will have a lot of aps on it but no main data storage. suggestions on hd would be welcome.
 
Get the Core i7 920 at Micro Center while it's still $200. Get a print-out of a NewEgg shopping list and see if you can obtain the motherboard (I'll list it below) through a price-match. (It's possible that MC will price-match the board, but it really depends on the store. YMMV.)

You can reuse the 1.5TB HDD as storage and one of the DVD burners. (I personally believe that, given the cost of optical drives nowadays, you don't need two. Leave the other optical drive with your old build.) Given the size of your Stacker case, I suggest that you reuse it for this build.

Now, for the rest of the parts:

$200 - Intel Core i7 920 (from Micro Center)
$270 - Two sets G.Skill 3x2GB DDR3 1600 RAM (at $135 each)
$240 - Asus P6T
$55 - Seagate 7200.12 500GB HDD (free shipping)
$160 - Sapphire 100283L Radeon HD5770 (free shipping)
$105 - Antec True Power New TP-750 Blue 750W PSU (free shipping)
$100 - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM (free shipping)
$220 - Asus VW246H 24" LCD monitor
$50 - Antec Two Hundred ATX mid-tower case(free shipping)
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$1160 - Subtotal (not including shipping, taxes, or rebates)

Since you didn't mention any gaming, I chose for you the midrange HD5770. Additionally, the $100 price on the Windows 7 OEM DVD is a pre-order special that expires tonight. I don't know how much more Windows 7 will cost tomorrow.

An SSD -- or two, in a RAID 0 configuration -- would give you much faster speeds than the Seagate HDD that I've chosen for your OS HDD. Regardless, the Seagate is one of the fastest non-Raptor HDDs in the market (and is only about 10% slower than the VelociRaptor HDDs).

The Asus VW246H, IIRC, uses a TN panel that's great for gaming and not-so-good for Photoshop work. The reason is due to 6-bit color reproduction, backlighting issues (inherent on all TN panel LCDs), and (to a lesser extent) poor viewing angles. It's fine for everyday office work, web browsing, and programing, but it's only so-so for movies.
 
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I forgot to mention this earlier, but the reason why I didn't include an SSD with my earlier build is because of the price... especially since you also wanted a new case and monitor included within your $1500 budget.

Rather than spew out some garbage that I can't explain fully:

enginurd said:
If you want more details on the tech behind an SSD, read the Anandtech SSD Anthology.

[Anandtech] The SSD Anthology: Understanding SSDs and New Drives from OCZ
[Anandtech] The SSD Update: Vertex Gets Faster, New Indilinx Drives and Intel/MacBook Problems Resolved
[Anandtech] The SSD Relapse: Understanding and Choosing the Best SSD
[Hard|OCP] SSD RAID scaling under Windows 7

Personally, I went from a 'cuda.10 to a Raptor150 and did not think the performance difference was worth the price premium and space sacrifice. Then I went from a caviar.black640 to a VRaptor300 and again, did not think the performance difference was worth the price premium and space sacrifice. Next I went from a VRaptor300 to an OCZ Vertex 30GB, and yet again, was underwhelmed. Then I picked up a 2nd Vertex 30GB and threw them in RAID0... WOW... I must say, the performance difference is VERY noticeable, but again, the price was pretty steep ($180 total AR in June). Regardless, it was a much bigger performance improvement than any of the Raptors ever were, for even less money than the raptors cost.

I believe the single Vertex was underwhelming because of the slow small random write speeds. As you can see from many tests online, these speeds increase greatly when in RAID0. Since RAID0 is simply striping data across two difference drives, there really isn't any major processing being done, so onboard RAID0 works perfectly fine for up to 650MB/s (around 3 vertex 120GB drives). Here are my screenshots:
http://www.alphaq.org/enginurd/hdd/ocz_vertex.html

As you'll learn from those anandtech articles, the TorqX has a 10yr warranty, and the garbage collection on the most recent firmware is good enough to maintain proper speeds while TRIM support is being worked on.

The Intel X25-M SSDs have fast small random write speeds, but have slower sequential speeds. Conversely, the Indilinx based drives have faster sequential speeds, but slower small random write speeds. When you RAID0 the Indilinx drives, the small random write speeds increase to the levels of the Intel X25-M. For single SSD usage, the Intel is a better choice because of this. One thing to note is that the Indilinx based drives are still faster than mechanical drives, so even in a single drive config, it's still a fast solution (great for laptops/netbooks).
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I've left enough slack in your budget to pursue one SSD, but you'll have to determine whether or not it will produce enough of a performance boost (compared to the Seagate 7200.12 500GB HDD) to justify the added cost.
 
Well thank you for the help but my budget went from 1500 to 0 in like 8 hours plan on moving into a house :( well thanks anyway.
 
Arlocanta said:
Well thank you for the help but my budget went from 1500 to 0 in like 8 hours plan on moving into a house :( well thanks anyway.
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Much better choice than a computer, lol. ;) Once you get the house, take out an equity line of credit and build a new computer. :p
 
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