"Budget" Gaming/Programming Rig

ethraax

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So I'm looking to buy a new computer and have been messing around with a list of parts for quite some time. My computer right now just doesn't have enough "oomph" as I'd like. It does, however, have two great monitors, a great mouse, and a decent keyboard, so those will all remain (I'll hook my old computer up to an old KVM switch so I'll be able to use it).

I'm looking at spending $1000 to $1500 on this new rig, and so far it's just over $1200.

Processor: Q6600 [$230] (intel, quad-core, 2.4GHz). <link> I've read lots of reviews about this, and it's supposed to be very good at overclocking at a great price. I've read about people getting it up to 3.2 GHz on air, which is farther than I expect.

Processor Cooler: MASSCOOL 92mm Ball CPU Cooler [$21] (heatsink + fan) <link>. I've read reviews of this being really good at cooling, but apparently is a pain to install / remove.

Memory: OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB DDR2-1066 [$130] (2 x 2GB kit) <link>. They come with heat spreaders and apparently don't take up more than just their slot, so if I wanted to upgrade later to 8GB I would be fine. I got the better RAM because I want to make sure I can crank up the processor and the RAM to keep it "even".

Video Card: MSI GeForce 8800GT 512MB [$205] (256-bit GDDR3, PCIe 2.0) <link>. This one was a harder pick. I wanted to get good frames in games, but since I only get to play games about 2 hours a day (less than many other people I know) I didn't want it to be the focus of my new computer. Still, this card should be great (has great reviews on NewEgg) and provides enough performance for all my games (I hope).

Motherboard: ABIT IX38 ATX Intel [$220] (DDR2-1066 / 8GB compat, PCIe2.0 slots, SATA 3GB/s slots) <link>. I basically searched for a motherboard to fit my other components. This one has all the slots and compatabilities I need. I'm no good with picking motherboards so this was basically a "blind pick." It has good reviews though, and is supposed to be decent at overclocking.

Northbridge Heatsink: ZALMAN Aluminum Heatsink [$5] <link>. Since I'll be overclocking, I want my Northbridge to be pretty well cooled.

Hard Drive: WD Caviar SE 500GB [$90] (7200 RPM, 8MB Cache, SATA 3.0GB/s) <link>. I have two drives in my current rig, and I don't really like telling all my stuff to install to a non-default path. It gets rather annoying. I'm not sure if Vista does a better job at this, but still. I've read a lot of stuff about people throwing their OS's on a 10000 RPM drive but I don't want to dump too much money on that. I'm sure I'll use all 500GB between all my music, Vista, and all my games, and $90 for 500GB seems like a fair price to me.

Optical Drive: LITE-ON 20X DVD+-R Burner [$29] (20x DVD+R, 8x DVD+RW, 20x DVD-R, 6x DVD-RW, 12x DVD-RAM, 16x DVD-ROM, 48x CD-R, 32x CD-RW, 48x CD-ROM) <link>. A basic DVD burner. It has decent speeds and is supposed to be pretty good. It uses a SATA connection. I had two drives in my really old PCs, but my current one has 1 and I don't have any problems with only using one so I think I'll stick with it for now.

Power Supply: OCZ GameXStream ATX12V 700W [$129] <link>. So yea, another shot-in-the-dark, like the motherboard. Two components of the PC I really want to be sure about too. NewEgg said I should have about 610W with their calc, thing, so I figured I'd round up a bit to be safe, esp. since I'm overclocking my processor a decent bit. I honestly have no idea what else to look for in a power supply other than wattage and that it has the right connector to your motherboard :(.

Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 [$28] (24-bit 96KHz, PCI card) <link>. The motherboard I picked has integrated audio, but I want to get something a bit more. I enjoy my music and my game sounds, and want both to be relatively crisp. This sound card is supposed to deliver that. As you'll see later, I'm only starting with a 2.1 speaker system (I *might* up it to 5.1, but there's not much room here so I'm not sure if that's worth it...)

Case: Rosewill R604-P ATX Mid-Tower [$49] (comes with a 120mm fan, two other 120mm slots) <link>. It seems fine and cheap. It has a dust filter in the front where the intake is for cool air, so that's a nice feature. It comes with a fan with space for two more (one in back, one in the side). My new rig will be on the edge of a table against a wall, but the side against the wall is the side without a fan so it should all work out fine.

Case Fans: 2x Silverstone FM121 120mm Case Fan [$17 /ea] <link>. Comes with some fan controller apparently. I like the fact that it's adjustable, just hope it's automatic. It's supposed to be decently quiet, 17 to 39.5 dBA. Looks aren't my worry though, so the color doesn't bother me. Should I get a third one of these to replace the stock fan with the case?

Speakers: Logitech S-220 2.1 Speaker System [$23] <link>. I want a 5.1 system, but I still live at home (in high school for one more year *cry*) and the computer's kinda in the same room we have special dinners in, so my parents understandably don't want more than a 2.1 system. When I go to college, I can always upgrade to a 5.1 system easily.

So that's it. I'm also buying a small tube of thermal grease ($2) for the CPU cooler and the Northbridge heatsink. All pieces got great reviews on Newegg, and I've read the 10 most recent reviews at least on each piece to make sure it's good for what I want to do.

I want to overclock the CPU from 2.4GHz to about 3.0GHz or more. It's supposed to work smoothly at that speed with only air cooling. That's why I got the aftermarket CPU cooler though.

Since I'm overclocking, I decided to get decent memory just to be sure that it's compatible with the overclock.

The total price for the system is a tad over $1200, after shipping, before MIR (total MIR: $120).

I'm mostly concerned about the motherboard and the power supply. Do you think they'll be fine for what I need them for? The overclocking and such. Also, any tips / hints on actually assembling it? First time building a computer from scratch...

Thanks, -- ethraax

EDIT: Forgot to mention, I'll be using Vista 64 (haven't picked edition).
 
I would buy some of these stuffs elsewhere as well as change some components you have listed

Q6600 - $180 on Frys.com

RAM - 4gig (2x2) G. Skills DDR2 800 for $75 on NewEgg

Heatsink - Thermalright Ultra 120 or Zerotherm Nirvana 120

Mobo - Abit IP35Pro (Intel P35 chipset mobo) for $170 ($30 MIR) on NewEgg

PSU - Corsair VX550 for $85 on Buy.com with $10 off through Google checkout

O/S - Vista Home Premium 64 bit edition for $100 on NewEgg
 
Alright. Is it okay to step down the PSU by that much? Also, does that mean I don't need to worry about the 1066-MHz RAM? I'm fine with buying parts in pieces - that's more complicated but certainly something I'll look into (as well as the different motherboard).
 
RAM: You could get the Q6600 up to 3.6GHz without going over 800MHz (400 x 9 = 3.6, 400 x 2 = 800MHz), so the 1066MHz RAM isn't needed.

MOTHERBOARD: If you go with an X38, the Gigabyte GA-EX38-DS4 is very nice. If you go with a P35, then the Abit IP35-Pro is very nice.

POWER SUPPLY: The Corsair VX550 mentioned in a prior post should be plenty if you will only have one video card, and it's highly recommended.

HEATSINK: If you are only going to 3.0GHz, an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro should be plenty. If you want to try for 3.6GHz, then get the ThermalRight Ultra-120 Extreme (plus a Scythe S-Flex or Yate-Loon fan).
 
Yeah that Corsair VX550 550 watt PS is very good. It has 41Amps on the +12V rail which is plenty for your setup. Also, DDR2 800 RAM is all you need for that Q6600 cpu, even if you overclock the cpu. Definitely ditch that X38 mobo. Pointless actually since that supports native crossfire for ATI chip based video card. You're using an Nvidia Geforce card in that mobo. A P35 mobo is cheaper and more ideal plus it will meet your needs just fine. Also, that 8800GT card is good. But, since you can save money by going with a P35 mobo, Q6600 for $180 at Frys.com, DDR2 800 RAM and the Corsair PS, step up that video card to a more power 8800GTS 512MB like this MSI NX8800 GTS 512 card. The advantage it has over that 8800gt is faster core clock, memory speed, and more stream processors. Definitely worth it for $20 more over that MSI 8800GT card you have listed.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127325
 
Thanks very much for the feedback. I originally had 8GB of DDR2-800, then went to 4GB of 1066. I don't think I really need 8GB of memory though, even for intensive programming. I'll switch out the motherboards, step down the PSU, and step up the gfx card.
 
+1 to that MSI OC'd 88GTS. The TRUE with a good fan is the best CPU cooler around, but if you need a 2nd recommendation, I give the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 which cools damn near as well as the TRUE yet costs $37 with free shipping right now @ newegg.
 
First off, ignore NewEgg reviews -- most of them are made by people who know nothing about computers. Check the reviews from hardware sites and/or forums (starting here, of course).

Here are some options for a P35-based board. As mentioned before, you don't need an X38 setup.

Danny Bui said:
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L Intel P35 Motherboard - $90
MSI P35 Neo2-FR Intel P35 Motherboard - $112
DFI BloodIron P35-T2RL Intel P35 Motherboard - $120
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R Intel P35 Motherboard - $125
DFI LanParty DK P35-T2RS Intel P35 Motherboard - $140
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3P Intel P35 Motherboard - $144
Abit IP35 Pro Intel P35 Motherboard - $170
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS4 Intel P35 Motherboard - $170
Gigabyte GA-EX38-DS4 Intel X38 Motherboard - $207

Just to help you out: If you don't need RAID, more than 4 SATA ports, check out the DS3L. If you need 5 SATA ports, 2 eSATA ports, and a second PCI-E x16 port, then get the Neo2-Fr. If you want heavy overclocking abilities and six SATA ports, check out the Blood Iron. If you like the BloodIron but want significantly better overclock stability, go for the LanParty. If you want 8 SATA ports, RAID, and legacy ports and high overclocks, than the DS3R is a good choice. If you want the DS3R but need Firewire and a second PCI-E x16 port, then go for the DS3P. If you want something that can overclock pretty damn high along with, RAID, eSATA ports and firewire connections, than the IP35 Pro. If you like the DS3P but want better cooling for overclocking, then go for the DS4.

Onboard sound has progressed to the point that it's now a viable option for most people. Try it out first, and then consider a discrete sound card if you're otherwise disappointed.

If you want to cool your northbridge properly, find a fan that can fit on the northbridge of the motherboard that you choose. Or, choose a motherboard with a more elaborate northbridge cooler in place.

Here are some recommendations for better CPU coolers:

Danny Bui said:

If you need case fans, get some 120mm Yate Loon fans. They're available for $4-$6 each at several places (including SVC, Jab-Tech, and preferably Petra's Tech Shop), and they perform about as well as the more expensive types.

For overclocking the Q6600 on air, all you need is DDR2 800 RAM. Get yourself a cheap 4GB kit like the ones from either A-DATA or G.Skill. You'll also need a 64-bit operating system in order to fully utilize all 4GB of memory.

Which monitors do you have? What are the resolutions you're using them at? One weakness of SLI is that it doesn't work with multiple monitors (but read the FAQ for details on all of its limitations). The 9600GT is good for monitors under 20", the 8800GT is good for 20"-22" monitors (or, up to a 1680x1050 resolution), and the 512MB/G92 8800GTS is good for 24"-26" monitors (or, about a 1920x1200 resolution).
 
Onboard sound has progressed to the point that it's now a viable option for most people. Try it out first, and then consider a discrete sound card if you're otherwise disappointed.

The man is right. I personally would only consider getting myself a sound card these days if there was a specific feature I needed for something else that my onboard didn't provide.
 
Here are some more "how to build" links, from the Gen[H]ard FAQ:

 
Ok I've read all the comments but I have one last question. The mid-tower case comes with a 120mm fan and two more slots. Should I buy three "aftermarket" fans to make sure the air flow is more balanced, or does it not matter? If it means anything, the stock fan is the intake one.

Also, in response to the question about monitors, I have a widescreen SyncMaster 205bw, it's 21" I also have another LCD screen, normal aspect ratio, I completely forget the dim's but it's the same height (viewable) as my widescreen if that's any indication. I run my widescreen at 1200x768, and my normal (alt) at 1024x768.

In response to the integrated audio comments, I'll try it. I really like nice crisp sound, both in music and games (movies/videos don't matter so much to me). I can always add a sound card later though, if I really decide I want one.

As far as building the actual PC, it's not that I lack the knowledge as much as the experience. I've read about doing it, I read several of the links posted, but until I actually do it I'll still feel a bit nervous around the amount of money here.

Looking into the OS, I picked Vista Premium.

I'm thinking about considerably stepping up the graphics card. I don't really want to go SLi, because I've heard it's rather bulky from many people. I'd rather get a single, good card than two. Either way, I'll look more into the graphics forum for that.

I'd like to thank you all for helping me make this CPU take form. I'm ordering so it arrives the Friday after AP tests (should arrive 15-16th of May). I'm building it that weekend, getting it set, and ready for Age of Conan on the 20th of May. I don't have time to build it any earlier due to studying for 6 AP tests *cry*.

EDIT: Um, just looked more into that motherboard. It doesn't have a PCIe2.0 connection. Doesn't that mean my graphics card (currently 8800gts) won't "fit"?
 
According to the newegg page you linked for the case, it comes with a rear exhaust fan. From the pictures, it looks like it has room for 3 more fans, 1x80mm and 1x120mm, but I'm not sure what will fit in front. Get some Yate Loon fans from jab-tech.com. They're very cheap but have good airflow and low noise. The 80mm should be $2 and the 120mm should be $3.50.

In short, the board and vidcard will work fine together. Now the long explanation... The only difference between PCI-E2.0 and PCI-E1.1 is the increased power delivery through the slot and the increased bandwidth. PCI-E2.0 cards are backwards compatible with PCI-E1.1 slots. However, current PCI-E2.0 cards do not saturate the bandwidth of PCI-E1.1 slots. Therefore, theres no point in spending a huge amount of money for the sole purpose of getting a PCI-E2.0 slot right now. By the time PCI-E2.0 cards are severely limited by the lower bandwidth of the PCI-E1.1 slots, it will be time for a new motherboard anyhow (by which time PCI-E3.0 will be out; which would put you back into the same predicament). Okay, that may have been more info that you wanted, but I just cut and paste. ;)

For your monitors, an 8800GTS 512MB is all you need.
 
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