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Broadwell E to work on X99...Xeons?

So when is 1H2016 exactly? The first half of 2016? Does Intel have certain months they usually release CPU's in? January 2016 would be nice. :p
 
Here's hoping for 64 PCI Express lanes.

Physically impossible, although me might see DMI 3.0 on updates motherboards. Dan has made many good cases in which we may not see major IO upgrades when BD E releases but it's hard to see Intel releasing a HEDT platform with such an out dated IO subsystem.
 
Physically impossible, although me might see DMI 3.0 on updates motherboards. Dan has made many good cases in which we may not see major IO upgrades when BD E releases but it's hard to see Intel releasing a HEDT platform with such an out dated IO subsystem.

its not changing because its using the same socket and chipset. See OP.

Skylake is using a new chipset and I believe its PCIe 4.0 but lazy to double check.
 
Def cool news for those of us seeking more cores. Although I will not be partaking as I expect my 5960x to last me four to five years.
 
I saied I will not upgrade my 5930K until two years, I think I was wrong.

I kept telling myself that I'll eventually upgrade my X58 platform. Its been...a LONG time.

Broadwell-E might be the next stop. I was hoping they'd skip it and go straight to Skylake-E, but that might not happen.

Next year will be an interesting year for upgrades.
 
I kept telling myself that I'll eventually upgrade my X58 platform. Its been...a LONG time.

Broadwell-E might be the next stop. I was hoping they'd skip it and go straight to Skylake-E, but that might not happen.

Next year will be an interesting year for upgrades.

thats what i was hoping. I really was hoping intel would do everyone a solid and get E/Xeon on the same timeline with consumer line but alas...it was really a dream and wishful thinking. I think a lot more people would do E/Xeon if it was released at the same time as the regular line. I know my desktop would be a Xeon if it didn't have to be a generation old.
 
Most likely we'll see Broadwell-E with compatibility for existing motherboards. Despite the compatibility, ASUS and the rest will release new motherboards with updated voltage hardware to overclock them better. We'll probably see USB 3.1 integrated into those designs as well. This is just pure speculation on my part as I haven't heard a damn thing as of late. Having said that, this would follow the usual HEDT product cycle that we've seen since X58 was first introduced. We will see Broadwell-E Xeons around the same time or possibly slightly earlier than the desktop chips more than likely. All HEDT market CPUs are Xeon E5 series derived parts anyway.
 
its not changing because its using the same socket and chipset. See OP.

Skylake is using a new chipset and I believe its PCIe 4.0 but lazy to double check.

That's why I said updated motherboards, the socket type plays no role in it.

Also nothing will use PCIe until maybe 2018.
 
Physically impossible, although me might see DMI 3.0 on updates motherboards. Dan has made many good cases in which we may not see major IO upgrades when BD E releases but it's hard to see Intel releasing a HEDT platform with such an out dated IO subsystem.

We won't. Unless they want to release a new chipset, and I don't see that happening. Xeon based systems using C602 variants have been in QVL for some time now. They won't update those platforms this late in the game to include DMI 3.0. They wouldn't have enough validation time for its customers. Essentially that would push upgrades and planned purchases back several months. Businesses like HP and Dell place orders well in advance from Intel who in turn have purchase orders in hand from their customers sometimes months ahead of delivery, or at least tentative commitments to purchase upgrades over a set period of time. The companies that have that kind of access are also the larger ones who have their own internal validation efforts and time tables to meet. So changing the design late in the going just isn't going to happen. The HEDT market isn't large enough to warrant such an upgrade either.

And if you don't think Intel would keep us on such a dated I/O system, think again. They kept us on X58's and X79's dated feature sets after the Z series chipsets surpassed them. We got USB 3.0 later on X79 and only through third party controllers during the refresh.

its not changing because its using the same socket and chipset. See OP.

Skylake is using a new chipset and I believe its PCIe 4.0 but lazy to double check.

It won't be PCIe 4.0. The standard has been ratified but nothing would be beyond alpha prototyping at this point. Broadwell-E is too far along in it's development to get a PCIe 4.0 capable controller. The X99 and C602 chipsets don't support it either which would be pointless.
 
We won't. Unless they want to release a new chipset, and I don't see that happening. Xeon based systems using C602 variants have been in QVL for some time now. They won't update those platforms this late in the game to include DMI 3.0. They wouldn't have enough validation time for its customers. Essentially that would push upgrades and planned purchases back several months. Businesses like HP and Dell place orders well in advance from Intel who in turn have purchase orders in hand from their customers sometimes months ahead of delivery, or at least tentative commitments to purchase upgrades over a set period of time. The companies that have that kind of access are also the larger ones who have their own internal validation efforts and time tables to meet. So changing the design late in the going just isn't going to happen. The HEDT market isn't large enough to warrant such an upgrade either.

And if you don't think Intel would keep us on such a dated I/O system, think again. They kept us on X58's and X79's dated feature sets after the Z series chipsets surpassed them. We got USB 3.0 later on X79 and only through third party controllers during the refresh.



It won't be PCIe 4.0. The standard has been ratified but nothing would be beyond alpha prototyping at this point. Broadwell-E is too far along in it's development to get a PCIe 4.0 capable controller. The X99 and C602 chipsets don't support it either which would be pointless.

you must be special and not read anything (along with Trimlock). I said at least 3 times now that Broadwell E is x99....Jesus Christ read man. No one in this thread can read.

I also said I think that skylake E is when PCIe 4.0 is coming and low and behold I am right

http://wccftech.com/intel-14nm-skylake-processors-feature-pcie-4-ddr4-memory-sata-express/

read my posts for once...Yep 3 times I said Broadwell E is x99 same chipset and Skylake E is PCIe 4.0. Counting this post thats 4 times.

http://wccftech.com/intel-broadwell...7-6900k-core-i7-6850k-core-i7-6800k-detailed/

Supposedly Braodwell E will work on current x99 socket/chipset. Xeons are coming out too but I havent seen any word on 16xx series Xeons. Has anyone heard about them?

i am sure 40 lanes is sticking around and we will wait for skylake E with PCIe 4.0. I thought that was getting 4.0. At least I sure hope so!

its not changing because its using the same socket and chipset. See OP.

Skylake is using a new chipset and I believe its PCIe 4.0 but lazy to double check.

Seriously...do I need to repeat myself 4 times and quote each one!!!
 
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We won't. Unless they want to release a new chipset, and I don't see that happening. Xeon based systems using C602 variants have been in QVL for some time now. They won't update those platforms this late in the game to include DMI 3.0. They wouldn't have enough validation time for its customers. Essentially that would push upgrades and planned purchases back several months. Businesses like HP and Dell place orders well in advance from Intel who in turn have purchase orders in hand from their customers sometimes months ahead of delivery, or at least tentative commitments to purchase upgrades over a set period of time. The companies that have that kind of access are also the larger ones who have their own internal validation efforts and time tables to meet. So changing the design late in the going just isn't going to happen. The HEDT market isn't large enough to warrant such an upgrade either.

And if you don't think Intel would keep us on such a dated I/O system, think again. They kept us on X58's and X79's dated feature sets after the Z series chipsets surpassed them. We got USB 3.0 later on X79 and only through third party controllers during the refresh.



s.

I know, at this point it's just wishful thinking. I'm a big fan of the X99 chipset and even if it is outdated it still has enough push for the consumer. It's too bad Intel locked out xeons out of the consumers chipset (Z170) cause I would definitely go that route this gen.
 
you must be special and not read anything (along with Trimlock). I said at least 3 times now that Broadwell E is x99....Jesus Christ read man. No one in this thread can read.

I also said I think that skylake E is when PCIe 4.0 is coming and low and behold I am right

http://wccftech.com/intel-14nm-skylake-processors-feature-pcie-4-ddr4-memory-sata-express/

read my posts for once...Yep 3 times I said Broadwell E is x99 same chipset and Skylake E is PCIe 4.0. Counting this post thats 4 times.






Seriously...do I need to repeat myself 4 times and quote each one!!!

Apparently you are the one who can't read. In my post I explicitly made a case for WHY Broadwell-E would still remain on X99. An even better case for your inability to read is the very link you posted. It's two years old. It doesn't show Skylake-E or Browdwell-E but rather Skylake for LGA1151 with PCIe 4.0 in 2015 which didn't happen. Skylake is PCIe 3.0. You might try reading the site you linked to before using it as the basis of an argument.

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Go on and tell me how I'm the one with the reading problem again. :rolleyes:
 
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I know, at this point it's just wishful thinking. I'm a big fan of the X99 chipset and even if it is outdated it still has enough push for the consumer. It's too bad Intel locked out xeons out of the consumers chipset (Z170) cause I would definitely go that route this gen.

Apparently you are the one who can't read. In my post I explicitly made a case for WHY Broadwell-E would still remain on X99. An even better case for your inability to read is the very link you posted. It's two years old. It doesn't show Skylake-E or Browdwell-E but rather Skylake for LGA1151 with PCIe 4.0 in 2015 which didn't happen. Skylake is PCIe 3.0. You might try reading the site you linked to before using it as the basis of an argument.

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Go on and tell me how I'm the one with the reading problem again. :rolleyes:

Reading over this again I am starting to think Dan is just trolling me to piss me off....

To clarify we all know E/Xeons are the same CPU right? I mean Dan you are the motherboard Editor right so you do know the difference? Assuming we are obviously talking about L/MCC (Low/Medium Core Count XEONS). As in Single socket or uniproccesor XEONs. E/Xeon is LCC but X99 also support uniprocessor MCC processors. So XEON HPC directly relates to E series assuming it is workstation processor being talked about as in Basin Falls.

BTW Please do tell me where the fuck does the screenshots say anything about 1151??? I am pretty sure the massive words say XEON.

Jesus Christ and I said in now 5 posts Broadwell E had been CONFIRMED TO BE X99 so what case are you making??? The fucking obvious??? I think I am going to randomly post in a display section and make my case why an IPS screen is going to be IPS -_- Or let me make the case on why the sky is fucking BLUE while we're at it!

Really? Really? Really? Look at the GIANT TITLE hint XEON roadmap for HPC

But alternatively there is a newer leak that says Skylake E will be PCIe 3.0, which I hope is wrong. As far as I read there is no confirmed answer on PCIe 4.0 or 3.0 on Skylake E. There appears to be things that say one and then the other. But we can hope that the new CPU/chipset will have a new PCIe standard....we can hope but the leak below says 48 lanes now for Purley but unsure about Basin Falls. But still you missed the GIANT TITLE -_-
http://www.nextplatform.com/2015/05/26/intel-lets-slip-broadwell-skylake-xeon-chip-specs/

Do you really want to keep humiliating yourself like this editor? I am only breaking this down barney style for you because it somehow can't get through your ego. I hate having to be a dick but repeating myself 5 times is ridiculous and having to use GIANT words and pictures to make you open your eyes is insane!

Intel-Skylake.jpg

Intel-Xeon-E7-E5-Skylake-EX-_Purely-Platform_Roadmap.jpg
 
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X79 was very very slower than X99 in terms of CPU upgrade.
X79 has sandy bridge-e 4 years ago, than after two years ivy bridge-e and than after 2 years x99 taked the crown.

I always remembered that a HEDT CPU lasted two years before a new model come out.
What's happen now? Is intel intentioned to reduce the two years period and launch a new HEDT every year?
 
Most likely we'll see Broadwell-E with compatibility for existing motherboards. Despite the compatibility, ASUS and the rest will release new motherboards with updated voltage hardware to overclock them better. We'll probably see USB 3.1 integrated into those designs as well. This is just pure speculation on my part as I haven't heard a damn thing as of late. Having said that, this would follow the usual HEDT product cycle that we've seen since X58 was first introduced. We will see Broadwell-E Xeons around the same time or possibly slightly earlier than the desktop chips more than likely. All HEDT market CPUs are Xeon E5 series derived parts anyway.

As far as I know the only things that they can do with "new broadwell-e" motherboard is adding USB3.1, do you think that they really release new mobo for USB3.1?
 
Reading over this again I am starting to think Dan is just trolling me to piss me off....

To clarify we all know E/Xeons are the same CPU right? I mean Dan you are the motherboard Editor right so you do know the difference? Assuming we are obviously talking about L/MCC (Low/Medium Core Count XEONS). As in Single socket or uniproccesor XEONs. E/Xeon is LCC but X99 also support uniprocessor MCC processors. So XEON HPC directly relates to E series assuming it is workstation processor being talked about as in Basin Falls.

BTW Please do tell me where the fuck does the screenshots say anything about 1151??? I am pretty sure the massive words say XEON.

Jesus Christ and I said in now 5 posts Broadwell E had been CONFIRMED TO BE X99 so what case are you making??? The fucking obvious??? I think I am going to randomly post in a display section and make my case why an IPS screen is going to be IPS -_- Or let me make the case on why the sky is fucking BLUE while we're at it!

Really? Really? Really? Look at the GIANT TITLE hint XEON roadmap for HPC

But alternatively there is a newer leak that says Skylake E will be PCIe 3.0, which I hope is wrong. As far as I read there is no confirmed answer on PCIe 4.0 or 3.0 on Skylake E. There appears to be things that say one and then the other. But we can hope that the new CPU/chipset will have a new PCIe standard....we can hope but the leak below says 48 lanes now for Purley but unsure about Basin Falls. But still you missed the GIANT TITLE -_-
http://www.nextplatform.com/2015/05/26/intel-lets-slip-broadwell-skylake-xeon-chip-specs/

Do you really want to keep humiliating yourself like this editor? I am only breaking this down barney style for you because it somehow can't get through your ego. I hate having to be a dick but repeating myself 5 times is ridiculous and having to use GIANT words and pictures to make you open your eyes is insane!

<SNIP OBNOXIOUSLY LARGE PICS> Please learn how to post properly sized pictures, thanks.

Your assertions from the first few posts in this thread included terms like "I thought" and "I hope so"... let's not circle back around with an angry face when you were not 100% confident in the data you were presenting.

Also, he did agree with you that Broadwell E is X99, but was giving reasons why the chipset won't get updated with new features. This has been the way of Intel through X58 and X79. So why are you angry again?
 
X79 was very very slower than X99 in terms of CPU upgrade.
X79 has sandy bridge-e 4 years ago, than after two years ivy bridge-e and than after 2 years x99 taked the crown.

I always remembered that a HEDT CPU lasted two years before a new model come out.
What's happen now? Is intel intentioned to reduce the two years period and launch a new HEDT every year?

I like to think it's proof that when people stand up and demand better instead of simply taking what they're given that good things can happen. If large volumes of enthusiasts communicate their needs and desires to Intel en masse and demand better HEDT chips, the likelihood is far better that such chips will happen than if they remain silent.

What Intel really needs is an ultra high end HEDT chip at the $1999 price point...;)
 
I like to think it's proof that when people stand up and demand better instead of simply taking what they're given that good things can happen. If large volumes of enthusiasts communicate their needs and desires to Intel en masse and demand better HEDT chips, the likelihood is far better that such chips will happen than if they remain silent.

What Intel really needs is an ultra high end HEDT chip at the $1999 price point...;)

but is there any official statement of when this CPU will be available?
January 2016?
 
Hmm..I could find out,i think.
Doesn't mean I can answer the question.
Does that make sense?
 
Reading over this again I am starting to think Dan is just trolling me to piss me off....

To clarify we all know E/Xeons are the same CPU right? I mean Dan you are the motherboard Editor right so you do know the difference? Assuming we are obviously talking about L/MCC (Low/Medium Core Count XEONS). As in Single socket or uniproccesor XEONs. E/Xeon is LCC but X99 also support uniprocessor MCC processors. So XEON HPC directly relates to E series assuming it is workstation processor being talked about as in Basin Falls.

BTW Please do tell me where the fuck does the screenshots say anything about 1151??? I am pretty sure the massive words say XEON.

Jesus Christ and I said in now 5 posts Broadwell E had been CONFIRMED TO BE X99 so what case are you making??? The fucking obvious??? I think I am going to randomly post in a display section and make my case why an IPS screen is going to be IPS -_- Or let me make the case on why the sky is fucking BLUE while we're at it!

Really? Really? Really? Look at the GIANT TITLE hint XEON roadmap for HPC

But alternatively there is a newer leak that says Skylake E will be PCIe 3.0, which I hope is wrong. As far as I read there is no confirmed answer on PCIe 4.0 or 3.0 on Skylake E. There appears to be things that say one and then the other. But we can hope that the new CPU/chipset will have a new PCIe standard....we can hope but the leak below says 48 lanes now for Purley but unsure about Basin Falls. But still you missed the GIANT TITLE -_-
http://www.nextplatform.com/2015/05/26/intel-lets-slip-broadwell-skylake-xeon-chip-specs/

Do you really want to keep humiliating yourself like this editor? I am only breaking this down barney style for you because it somehow can't get through your ego. I hate having to be a dick but repeating myself 5 times is ridiculous and having to use GIANT words and pictures to make you open your eyes is insane!

Resize your fucking images please.

Secondly, I fucking agreed with you on the point about the Broadwell-E based Xeons and Broadwell-E Core i7's remaining on X99. Do I have to get out crayons and construction paper to communicate that in a way you can grasp? You said it several times and I fucking AGREED with you. What point are you trying to make? And yes I know what the hell the difference between Xeons and "E" processors are.Chances are I've worked with more of these than most people on this forum ever will.

Secondly, I did miss the second graphic which showed the Xeon road map. That's what I get for posting late'ish without much sleep. That doesn't change the fact that I was telling you that your two old link had out dated information. Skylake wasn't going to have PCIe 4.0 for LGA1151. And oh yes, the text in the article if you read the first two paragraphs mentions LGA115x CPUs. So that article was wrong on that point. The first two paragraphs are about the consumer processors, not Xeons. I knew Skylake wasn't going to have PCIe 4.0 support because the final specifications for it won't be finished until 2017. Source. Skylake-E could have PCIe 4.0 support for it depending on when it will release. Some rumors put Skylake-E replacing Broadwell-E which I said was impossible. So Skylake having support for PCIe 4.0 is still unknown. The roadmap you posted for the platform indicates we'll be on C610/X99 up until 2017 at least which makes sense.

That also confirms what I've said. We will still see X99 and Braodwell-E next year for the HEDT platform. People shouldn't hope for DMI 3.0, Skylake-E or any other updates for the HEDT platform anytime soon. It just isn't going to happen.

As far as I know the only things that they can do with "new broadwell-e" motherboard is adding USB3.1, do you think that they really release new mobo for USB3.1?

Not for USB 3.1, no. ASUS did state they won't update motherboards just for USB 3.1 support, but they may do so in the same vein as the Rampage IV Black Edition which could have a better audio codec, thermal armor, updated voltage design and USB 3.1. It depends on whether or not ASUS, MSI, GIGABYTE and the rest of them feel they can differentiate the boards enough from the previous generation to entice people to upgrade. I don't think we will see a sweeping update of the entire product lines from these manufacturers but we will see a few updates, probably on the high end of the spectrum.
 
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but is there any official statement of when this CPU will be available?
January 2016?

Nothing official to my knowledge, but I'd expect Broadwell-E at or about the same time as the EP chips (Grantley Refresh) come out.

My money's on March 2016...Intel has released new chips in March before (Sandy Bridge-EP). The E chips may come a week or two before the EP chips. Intel has done this before as well (X99/i7-5960X launch was just before the E5 V3 launch).
 
Nothing official to my knowledge, but I'd expect Broadwell-E at or about the same time as the EP chips (Grantley Refresh) come out.

My money's on March 2016...Intel has released new chips in March before (Sandy Bridge-EP). The E chips may come a week or two before the EP chips. Intel has done this before as well (X99/i7-5960X launch was just before the E5 V3 launch).

How much time pass between the launch and the availability in shops usually?

I bought Haswell-E as soon as it was available on november 2014 but do you remember when Haswell-E was launched?
 
I like to think it's proof that when people stand up and demand better instead of simply taking what they're given that good things can happen. If large volumes of enthusiasts communicate their needs and desires to Intel en masse and demand better HEDT chips, the likelihood is far better that such chips will happen than if they remain silent.

What Intel really needs is an ultra high end HEDT chip at the $1999 price point...;)

They do...its caller xeons. You can buy a 14 core unlocked xeon for 2200...it works in x99 boards
 
They do...its caller xeons. You can buy a 14 core unlocked xeon for 2200...it works in x99 boards
Not really. Only some of the single socket variants (that is E5-16xx) are unlocked. Nothing above 8 cores is readily available or even acknowledged to exist by Intel. The dual/quad socket chips (E5-26xx/46xx) aren't unlocked.
 
Not really. Only some of the single socket variants (that is E5-16xx) are unlocked. Nothing above 8 cores is readily available or even acknowledged to exist by Intel. The dual/quad socket chips (E5-26xx/46xx) aren't unlocked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Xeon_microprocessors#Xeon_E5-16xx_v3_.28uniprocessor.29

10 core in stock
https://www.sabrepc.com/intel-cm806...3-2-9ghz-lga2011-10-core-server-cpu-tray.html

12 core in stock
https://www.sabrepc.com/intel-cm806...3-2-6ghz-lga2011-12-core-server-cpu-tray.html

14 core out of stock but i am sure they can get it
https://www.sabrepc.com/intel-cm806...3-2-5ghz-lga2011-14-core-server-cpu-tray.html

wirk and someone else have the IB 10 core IIRC

If Broadwell 16xx comes out i'll try to buy the highest core count to take one for the team...depends if someone buys my 1650v3....if someone would chip in to help soften the 2200 blow to my wallet i'll get the broadwell for sure and test it.
 
I don't know about a platform upgrade, but page 2 of this thread may prompt a display upgrade. ;)

But, back on-topic.. an unlocked 10c/20t Broadwell-E chip i could drop into an X99 system i could build right now is really tempting, especially given so many <$200 X99 boards and decently priced DDR4-2400 ram kits.

..and yes, i could use all of that horsepower.
 
I don't know about a platform upgrade, but page 2 of this thread may prompt a display upgrade. ;)

But, back on-topic.. an unlocked 10c/20t Broadwell-E chip i could drop into an X99 system i could build right now is really tempting, especially given so many <$200 X99 boards and decently priced DDR4-2400 ram kits.

..and yes, i could use all of that horsepower.

fits on my screen with space to spare :D

Yea I am looking forward to it especially the lower nm. might be easier to cool and all that jazz. I wonder if anyone else can take the plunge to test the xeons :D
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Xeon_microprocessors#Xeon_E5-16xx_v3_.28uniprocessor.29

10 core in stock
https://www.sabrepc.com/intel-cm806...3-2-9ghz-lga2011-10-core-server-cpu-tray.html

12 core in stock
https://www.sabrepc.com/intel-cm806...3-2-6ghz-lga2011-12-core-server-cpu-tray.html

14 core out of stock but i am sure they can get it
https://www.sabrepc.com/intel-cm806...3-2-5ghz-lga2011-14-core-server-cpu-tray.html

wirk and someone else have the IB 10 core IIRC

If Broadwell 16xx comes out i'll try to buy the highest core count to take one for the team...depends if someone buys my 1650v3....if someone would chip in to help soften the 2200 blow to my wallet i'll get the broadwell for sure and test it.
Find me someone that actually has one. Just because a single storefront on the internet lists one, doesn't mean it actually exists. You'll note how all the other CPUs have links to Intel's ARK. Why don't you also google the part numbers to see how many hits you get.
 
Not really. Only some of the single socket variants (that is E5-16xx) are unlocked. Nothing above 8 cores is readily available or even acknowledged to exist by Intel. The dual/quad socket chips (E5-26xx/46xx) aren't unlocked.

That was my understanding as well... the Xeon i7 equivalents are unlocked but nothing else is. If the E5-1681v3 or E5-1686v3 are unlocked that would be most excellent in about four or so years when I can afford the upgrade from my E5-1650v3 :eek:
 
That was my understanding as well... the Xeon i7 equivalents are unlocked but nothing else is. If the E5-1681v3 or E5-1686v3 are unlocked that would be most excellent in about five years when I can afford the upgrade from my E5-1650v3 :eek:
Not entirely correct. Not all E5-16xx v3 CPUs are unlocked. You're going to have to keep hoping because anything above the E5-1680 v3 doesn't exist.
 
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