Broadwell comming in 2014 then?

With intel's track record lately, it's not going to be that great of an upgrade. If they can start soldering the IHSs on their mainstream chips again, it'll be a lot better.
 
Haswell Refresh Q2 '14 - Clock speed increase on existing models. Maybe some extra features most people wont really care much about, but allows Intel to sell an existing product as something new.

Broadwell Q1 - Q4 '14 - Mobile market, huge power savings, performance increase, new iGPU architecture.

As for the desktop. I expect nothing more than a 5% increase in general performance and maybe 10% in specific applications used in testing most likely that wont reflect on a daily basis. Right now it seems all the rage is about the X99 platform and Haswell-E now that finally the Extreme parts are going to start moving forward.


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Intel has Broadwell on track for early 2014 for mobile (BGA) markets only. I wouldn't expect Broadwell parts to be mass produced for the PC until early 2015 despite having it at the end of the year 2014. Intel's roadmap seems to be pushed back 1 year including Skylake because of Broadwell and rumor has it that's because of 14nm fab issues.
 
Broadwell: 2GHz 5 Watts. I don't think a normal user would like that.
 
A 5W SDP 2GHz (base speed) Broadwell-Y would be great for tablets. The 4.5W SDP/11.5W TDP Haswell i5-4302Y isn't too bad right now. Ultra low system power consumption in the Y models at least is something Intel has been hyping up. Broadwell-Y while multi-tasking (web browsing + angry birds + skype) has a target power of 10W for the entire system including display: http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/r/sto...l-y1-v1-620x461.png?hash=MQZ3AmHkMT&upscale=1

Comixbooks said:
How much faster do you think this will be because of a 14nm die? Surprised that current motherboards won't be compatible but that is the intel way it seems. x-cept for 2011
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I think Intel is just continuing to move for lower power consumption on mainstream sockets, so the CPUs may just have similar clock speeds to Haswell and lower TDP ratings. Depending on how cooling (smaller die size has less contact area with IHS) and FIVR work out, there could me more headroom available on the K models, but those are a couple of big ifs.

Yeah, several months ago the 9 series chipset datasheet was leaked and there are differences in the "Haswell refresh" and Broadwell pinouts which make those incompatible with 8 series chipsets:

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Manufacturers may revise 8 series boards to be Haswell-R compatible, but many existing ones may not be in spec (that's not to say some won't work).
 
My understanding, is that any socket 1150 motherboard you buy is a completely dead end upgrade path, with no chance of support for haswell-e or broadwell. Correct me if I'm wrong ?

As for the new V_PROC connection, do you think modular power supplies will provide the cabling to allow this extra connection ? I would hate to find out my motherboard AND power supply are un-upgradeable, lol.
 
setzer_ said:
My understanding, is that any socket 1150 motherboard you buy is a completely dead end upgrade path, with no chance of support for haswell-e or broadwell. Correct me if I'm wrong ?
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Haswell-E is LGA2011, but supposedly an incompatible LGA2011 than current Sandy and Ivy E models use.

LGA Broadwell requires a new motherboard and the upcoming 9 series chipsets in the Intel slide deck. The datasheet excerpt I posted mentions that Broadwell motherboards require several significant changes to existing LGA1150 pinouts.

But yeah, currently available motherboards are supposedly not compatible with Haswell-E (LGA2011) or Broadwell.
 
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