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Bman123

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Well I was all over the net reading stuff and came across this.I have no clue if it has been posted here before,I did a search and didn't find anything so here it is

http://www.overclock.net/graphics-cards-general/192398-dr-bottlenecks-how-i-learned-stop-2.html

What do you guys think of this?Is it true?
What I am amkingout of it is the lower the res the more cpu bound,the higher the res the more gpu bound.So with a decent dual core cpu a big monitor say 24 and up 19x1200 and a good video card like a 9800gtx+ or a gtx 260 you should have a good gaming experience.
 
so was the info in my link I found to be accurate?
I cannot afford a gtx280 but I can swing a gtx 260.
Just wonder what kind of performance I would get from my rig with a 24inch at 1900x1200 with a gtx 260
 
At higher resolutions, and especially with 4X FSAA or higher, the videocard becomes more important than the CPU (provided you have a reasonably fast CPU - if you're still using a P4 or something you'll still be CPU bound). I think wre can all agree so far.

For example, when I upgraded from an Athlon X2 @ 2.9 GHz to a Phenom X4 @ 2.5 GHz, my UT3 ShangriLa flyby FPS went from 56 FPS to 98 FPS. However, when enabling 4x FSAA, both CPUs gave me exactly 55 FPS average.

However, you need to look at the FPS over time, not just an average. If, for a brief period, there's an unusually large number of characters on-screen at the same time (in other words, lots of AI calculations and other CPU intensive stuff going), maybe the faster CPU manages to keep the framerate above 30, while the framerate drops to 15 with the slower CPU. If this dip only last for 3 seconds, it won't affect the *average* result by more than a few FPS at most.

Indeed, a slower CPU paired with a faster videocard might actually produce a higher average FPS, because it would peak at, say 180 FPS instead of just 90 FPS (with a faster CPU but slower GPU), infalting the average score despite the greater FPS dip during the "intensive battle" example above. So while the CPU might not always affect the benchmark results much, it can have a huge effect on actual gameplay.

Also many benchmarks are just flybys or automated demos, which are far less CPU dependant than actual gameplay with the physics, AI, collision detection etc. active.

Finally I don't buy the stuff about the LCD 60Hz limit. Even if you get an average of over 90 FPS, it's very likely that the framerate drops to something much lower when there's lots of stuff going on in the game. I'd rtather play a game at a constant 30 FPS than have the FPS swing wildly between 15 FPS and 90 FPS. Also I doubt anyone is coming close to the 60Hz limit in a game like Warhead :p
 
Well I dont know what to do, now i am kinda stuck in a funny situation.
I have a athlon 64x2 5000+ @2.6
currently on a 17inch monitor @1280x768

I dont know what I should do.I dont have the cash for a whole new build.I can swing a monitor and a video card tho.So it seems like I need help in finding my balance on monitor size and video card.
I can afford a gtx 260 and a 22inch/24inch monitor but from the reveiws I am kinda thinking 24inch is not a smart desicion.What would you do in my shoes man?
 
A 22" monitor is the sweet spot at the moment. It's not much more expensive than 20", while you pay a premium to get a 24" monitor. For a 22" monitor, a 4850 or 9800GTX is fine.

However, here's what I would do:
-Keep the monitor for now: If the framerate is very low, it doesn't matter whether you have a 17" LCD or a 30" LCD, you still won't have a good gaming experience

-You say you can afford a 24" monitor and a GTX260..they're about $270 each according to Pricewatch. For $540 you can get a decent mobo, CPU and a 4850 videocard. Even if you need new RAM, a new PSU or similar, $500 is still enough. DDR2 RAM is virtually free these days, and for most systems, a 450W PSU is enough.

-Get a 22" monitor later, when you have the cash.
 
the problem with a new mobo and cpu is I need to get a new os also so there is $100

I can reusue the following parts out of my rig right now.The HDD,the dvd drive,the card reader,the psu,the case fans.So do you think I should just get a 9800gtx and see what happens?I have the cash to get one now but I wanna wait so I have some money left over.

Well help me out then for $540 on what to do.
I will need a new mobo,cpu,ram and OS
 
Not to hijack the thread, but a decent mobo is probably $100, E8300 CPU $160, 4GB of RAM $70, Radeon 4850 $150 = $480 total. If you need fit a new OS into the budget, get a cheaper CPU like the E7200 ($115) and/or go with 2GB of RAM for now: $400 total. Start a thread in the appropriate subforum and I'm sure someone will be able to pick out a great $400 - $500 system for you.
 
I just wonder how long my current rig would last if I installed a 9800gtx+
When i had my pny 8800gt I got playable framerate in cod4 around 60avg 220 high and 40 low
with a better video card I think I will still achieve the same framerates.
It just costs so much to do a build and I am always low on cash,I just dont wanna take forever with the build and my cpu end up being old news by the time it is complete.
 
Once you get 3ghz on an intel, then you are good. At least on higher end resolutions.
 
so do we all agree that I should just get a 9800gtx+ and see what happens?

I can get a console I know I know for $199 and have a steady framerate all day long but then I have to pay xbox live which is another $50 off the go.So I would be at $250 and need a hdd.A used one is $60 so then I am at $310.COD5 is $60 so I am up to $370.I have to deal with system failures of the xbox and keep paying for live and take up the tv while she (old lady) complains about it.

It is just a funny situation I am in right now.Can anyone give me a guesstimate on how long my rig would last with a 9800gtx+?

I am thinking of getting the 9800gtx+,keeping my monitor and buying parts as I go.
I should have the cash to do a build in january as long as I eat ramen noodles and save up my pennies.I am guessing I will have around $600-$800 in january to buy parts.Hopefully I can get a nice used case to save some cash
 
i don't think you should even do anything. a 9800GTX on a 17" monitor is a bit of a waste and at your resolutions I can see CPU bottlenecking issues. You are much better of saving up for a major build instead of trying to upgrade piece by piece like it seems you are heading into - CPU (which would require a mobo, which might require addition/new ram), GPU, monitor (if you decide to move on :D). Your suggested date of January is still a ways away and who knows what comes out then (heard the new cards are coming out winter/late winter?). Impulse buys usually always equate to buyer's remorse... I am very fckin' pro at that.
 
i just jumped the gun and got a 9800gtx+ last nite...

the rig im planning on putting it into is a ecs nforce 430/6100 chipset with an amd x2 4800+ 2GB ddr2 800, and toss in my raid-0 of raptors, the x-fi, and phys-x card....

im sitting on a 24 in wide samsung monitor..so yea, this 7950gt (AGP) is showing its age...

someone pat my back and say ill be in for a great improvement ;)
 
your basically in my position but with a big ass monitor
This is what I am thinking of doing for parts,what do you think of this idea right now as if I wanted to buy it tonight?
So I can get all of this for sure in january and then I'll need a new monitor and video card so that'll be an extra $400.What kinda shape would I be in then
This puts me at $515 and I will re use my 320 gig HDD,my dvd drive,card reader and my ea500d psu
 
Your link does not work. I believe you need to save it as wish lists and put it on public for us to see, that or screenshot.
 
see my position is. ive been on the rig in sig for about 2.5 years? and well, id bought this ecs/4800+ combo awhile back from frys on a whim(sale) and id had several gigs of ddr2 lying around so popped 2 into it, since it only has 2 slots. and well it was a file server for months. and a disk in the array went out. so in pondering finding a replacement disk (whilist drunk) i bought a 9800gtx+ and i plan on moving my main rig to that board. popping in the gpu and some other stuff and recovering the data from the arry and resizing it and not caring about any losses cuz nothing is srs important </end ramble>
 
Bman123 said:
so do we all agree that I should just get a 9800gtx+ and see what happens?

I can get a console I know I know for $199 and have a steady framerate all day long but then I have to pay xbox live which is another $50 off the go.
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get a ps3 then, no online fee's
 
That ASUS 9800GT is a rebranded 8800GTS G92, not the usual 8800GT. 8800GTS G92=9800GTX. That is one of the only if not only card to "secretly" stuff a GTS into it. 9800GT/8800GT is inferior to the GTS/GTX.
 
Bman123 said:
Well I dont know what to do, now i am kinda stuck in a funny situation.
I have a athlon 64x2 5000+ @2.6
currently on a 17inch monitor @1280x768

I dont know what I should do.I dont have the cash for a whole new build.I can swing a monitor and a video card tho.So it seems like I need help in finding my balance on monitor size and video card.
I can afford a gtx 260 and a 22inch/24inch monitor but from the reveiws I am kinda thinking 24inch is not a smart desicion.What would you do in my shoes man?
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get a new monitor and worry about everything else latter. You CPU will get you by for the time being. Anything you get in the way of a monitor will be better. They have a cheap 24" in the hot deal section that is around 200 something. Or you can get a nice 22" for around the same. either will serve you well. If budget is too much a concern then do this: 22" monitor and ATI 4850 is the best bang for the buck combo right now. And if you shop around that will be about 300 dollars for both. Latter you can upgrade to a crossfire board if you want and add a seconded 4850 if needed. But I think you will be quite happy for the time being to just get the 4850 and a 22" monitor.
 
Buy your stuff as [H]ot deals come down the pipe, that's what I do!

As an example, not but a few weeks ago Newegg had a E8400/Asus P45 combo for like $240 and you would have been golden for a good bit fewer bucks. Or go the other route and pickup a GTX260 for $199 and the Scepter(or whoevers) 22" for $140 and your there at just $340

I know most these deals are dead, but just examples off the top of my head.
 
Well I am gonna do it this way,get my case first which I should have by the end of next week a antec 900 case.I found one for $70shipped so that saved me about $50 on buying one from the egg.
I will get a new monitor for Xmas a 22inch which is $200.Then in january when I have about $500-$600 to spend cash wise get a new cpu,mobo,ram and video card.I am thinking it will be about $300 for the cpu/mobo,$60 for ram and $150-$200 for a video card which will put me at $500-$550.
 
what cpu to get the e8400 or a q6600?ALso a 9800gtx or a gtx 260 video card.
Will be gaming at 22WS LCD monitor and this new rig has got to last me 2-3 years before any upgrades.I will be using vista ultimate 64bit and 4 gigs of ram.
Need to decide on video card,cpu and mobo.
ALso do you think my antec ea500d PSU will be enough with 1 hard drive,i dvd drive,the cpu.mobo,and video card
 
I read the info and now gotta ask a question
What is the talk of the socket 775 coming to EOL? What do you think of that?
I figure tho by the time I need to upgrade again that it'll be 775 EOL and then the newer tech will be cheaper.

What is the new socket gonna be and when is it coming out?ALso do you think it will lower the current 775 cpu and mobo prices any
 
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