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Bottleneck

guys im buying a totally new one now and going to replace the VC later on as mentioned in my earlier post( someone reviewed it and said they put in a new 128MB card in it and they gave the puter 5 stars so...) are geforcefx 5200's worth upgrading to from a gf4 mx or should i save for the 9800pro (i think i know answer but its budget here)
 
get a mobo/cpu combo from frys on every friday. get 512 of geil ram and you have only spent 100 bucks. wait till prices drop on other cards then buy UT
 
no fry's in florida my friend i have found a comp and would like to ask 1 (maybe) more question. Is the 9800SE good enough to play today's games?
 
Originally posted by XSNiper
no fry's in florida my friend i have found a comp and would like to ask 1 (maybe) more question. Is the 9800SE good enough to play today's games?
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yes, yes it is.
 
im really close on convincing my parents on helping me get this Athlon 2800+ 512MB 120GB machine the only drawback is it comes with a GF4 MX 64MB. Will this hold up for me on say medium quality at 800600 on ut2k3? I really dont want to mention gettingthe 9800 because that will completely ruin it.
 
As for the 3200 ram instead of 2700 ram question, yes you can use that. Most if not all ddr-ram (that I know of) no matter the speed, will work in almost any name brand motherboard. I.E. Intel 845pe motherboard officially supports ddr-333, but will easily work with ddr-400.
 
Originally posted by XSNiper
hi i found a new comp for 489 i believe with a 2800+ 120GB HD 512MB RAM and more with a GF4 MX (has to better then a gf2 mx pci but will be replaced later on)
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That actually isn't a bad deal, what case and power supply does it come with? A GF4 MX will run most games today at medium or low settings with semi low resolutions. My friend has one and doesn't even notice his computer is slow. And for the love of God please stop saying puter.
 
it does sound newbish huh "puter":) but now things have change again, ill be getting a P4 2.8Ghz with 512MB (PC3200) RAm and a 40GB hardrive and an ATI Radeon 9800SE now plz tell me if this puter;) will beat out my old one and if u havent heard of my old one will this be a good gaming machine?
 
Originally posted by XSNiper
it does sound newbish huh "puter":) but now things have change again, ill be getting a P4 2.8Ghz with 512MB (PC3200) RAm and a 40GB hardrive and an ATI Radeon 9800SE now plz tell me if this puter;) will beat out my old one and if u havent heard of my old one will this be a good gaming machine?
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after all of this shopping around, you have to be kidding to ask a question like that. Do you really think that someone is going to say "nah man keep you old machine".
 
Originally posted by creedAMD
after all of this shopping around, you have to be kidding to ask a question like that. Do you really think that someone is going to say "nah man keep you old machine".
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hell i'll say it
"nah man keep your old machine"
it's cheaper
 
Hey man, the GF4MX should be plenty to get playable frames in UT2K3/4.

I have an older system that someone gave me because they owed me money.:D Has a P3 1.0Ghz, 512mb PC133 and a GF4MX 440 64mb DDR PCI that gets about 30-40 frames in UT2K3 and it runs BF1942 flawless.:)
 
Originally posted by XSNiper
it does sound newbish huh "puter":) but now things have change again, ill be getting a P4 2.8Ghz with 512MB (PC3200) RAm and a 40GB hardrive and an ATI Radeon 9800SE now plz tell me if this puter;) will beat out my old one and if u havent heard of my old one will this be a good gaming machine?
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Wow that's quite a step up, what happened exactly? I'm sure you will be quite satisfied with that COMPUTER.
 
yeah lol this "puter" is going to be 1337. It comes in black blue or silver case wit clear side and LED lights throughout and i believe a 400W PSU
 
would this be a better deal for 700+:
X-BLADE Medium Tower Case 450 W (SILVER)
AMD™ Athlon™ XP-2500+ Processor (Barton 512K L2 Cache)
Abit NF7 nForce2 ULTRA Chipset 400 FSB AGP 8X w/ LAN, USB2.0, & Audio
512 MB PC3200 400MHz DDR MEMORY (Major_Brand)
80GB 7200 RPM ATA 100 HARD DRIVE
NONE - Hard Drive
ATI RADEON 9800 SE 128MB DDR AGP 8X W/ TV-OUT & DVI
56X CD-ROM (SILVER)
ARTEC CD-RW 52X32X52 (BEIGE)
NONE - MONITOR
Creative Labs SB AUDIGY 5.1 W/ 1394 IEEE

the other one came wit no speakers or monitor for 816 and had an OS and was P4 2.8 i dont know which would be better buy?
 
Originally posted by XSNiper
would this be a better deal for 700+:
X-BLADE Medium Tower Case 450 W (SILVER)
AMD™ Athlon™ XP-2500+ Processor (Barton 512K L2 Cache)
Abit NF7 nForce2 ULTRA Chipset 400 FSB AGP 8X w/ LAN, USB2.0, & Audio
512 MB PC3200 400MHz DDR MEMORY (Major_Brand)
80GB 7200 RPM ATA 100 HARD DRIVE
NONE - Hard Drive
ATI RADEON 9800 SE 128MB DDR AGP 8X W/ TV-OUT & DVI
56X CD-ROM (SILVER)
ARTEC CD-RW 52X32X52 (BEIGE)
NONE - MONITOR
Creative Labs SB AUDIGY 5.1 W/ 1394 IEEE

the other one came wit no speakers or monitor for 816 and had an OS and was P4 2.8 i dont know which would be better buy?
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This one is the better deal I'd say than the 2.8 system.
 
does anybody know if Systemax, cybertron or any of the like are any good?Does it have to be name brand like a dell to be any good?
 
Originally posted by XSNiper
does anybody know if Systemax, cybertron or any of the like are any good?Does it have to be name brand like a dell to be any good?
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VoodooPC. 'nuff said.:D
 
Originally posted by XSNiper
im looking at an Cyberpower puter.is this good
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Focus on the system specs but focus more on the warranty/tech support. It can be a top of the line system but if their warranty/ tech. support is shitty then you may as well have a shitty system.
 
Before I built my computers, I used to buy cyberpower systems. I still recommend them to people I don't feel like building a PC for. I know of at least 6 systems bought through them, and they've all been great. Cyberpower builds them them cheap, tests all the components before they ship, and they use name brand stuff. Everything's standard so you don't have to worry about having a power supply with a non-standard plug.

I also liked how you got to pick your own components. Cyberpower is a great way to ease yourself into building computers. Their computers are very upgradeable.

I hate when someone wants me to upgrade their old POS machine and it turns out to be a compaq or dell.

You can do alot worse than Cyberpower.
 
that said i noticed they have a range of Athlon Xp's im focusing on 2600 and 2500 but as u look at the list theres some word in parenthesis wut would be better here 2500 or 2600

AMD Athlon XP 3200+ Processor (512K L2 CACHE) ~ CBF401 [+130]
AMD Athlon XP 3000+ Processor (512K L2 CACHE) ~ CBF402 [+100]
AMD Athlon XP 2800+ Processor (512K L2 CACHE) ~ CBF403 [+30]
AMD Athlon XP-2700+ Processor ~ CBF404 [+14]
AMD Athlon XP-2600+ Processor ~ CBF405
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ Processor (512K L2 CACHE) ~ CBF406 [-16]


Theres also the same thing with RAM. Im planning on getting 512MB guess what theres two different kind (not brand) one is dual channel one isnt which is better?

Also when you get no OS because I already have a disc. Will everything be installed still such as Video Card, sound, etc.?

And is getting a 9800Pro really worth getting over a 5900 with a free game or is it just a small difference? I ask this so I can have all my answers in one place so dont get mad ppl.


One last on what HD is the best Seagate,Maxtor, or Western Digital?
 
If you don't order an OS with the system, you pretty much have to install all the software yourself. You may even have to reformat the Hard drive to the type you want. They will include all the drivers on disk, though. Of course you will have to upgrade the video drivers off the net.

I would get the 2500+. More cache, and very overclockable.

As far as the Hard drive goes, I like Western Digital, but you can't go wrong any of those options. Just get a 7200 rpm 8mb cache drive.

Dual channel is better, but it doesn't make a very large difference in AMD XP systems.

Yes, the 9800 pro is better than the 5900. Just get it, you'll be happy you did.

Cyberpower doesn't hold your hand though, so if you buy the computer without an OS installed, they won't hold your hand while you try to intstall it.

If your OS is not on a bootable CD, and you don't know how to make boot disks and set the CD-ROM's boot order in the bios, you're better off getting the OS preinstalled. If you can do that stuff, it's no problem! :)
 
heres my probably final solution all the way from posting about a new PSU and cheap VC. :D All for $774 including all the blue LED shiznit and that X-blade. No need for a monitor got that.


X-BLADE Medium Tower Case 450 W (BLACK)
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ Processor (512K L2 CACHE) ~ CBF406
Abit NF7 nForce2 ULTRA Chipset 400 FSB AGP 8X w/ LAN, USB2.0, & Audio
512MB (256MBx2) PC3200 DDR400 Dual Channel
Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM ATA 100 8MB Special Editon
NONE - 2nd Hard Drive
ATI RADEON 9800 PRO 128MB DDR AGP 8X W/ TV-OUT & DVI
SONY 52X CD-ROM (SILVER)
NONE - CDRW
NONE - MONITOR
Creative Labs SB LIVE VALUE 5.1

next up Far Cry:D
 
umm..would using the PSU that comes with this case be good enough?

And uhh which of these is the best that would subtract money?


Abit NF7 nForce2 ULTRA Chipset 400 FSB AGP 8X w/ LAN, USB2.0, & Audio (have this selected)
Albatron Nforce2 Ultra DDR 400 Dual Channel MB w/ LAN, USB2.0, & Audio [-9]
Biostar M7NCD Pro nForce2 ULTRA Chipset 400 FSB AGP8X w/LAN, USB2, & Audio [-7]
ABit NF7-S nForce2 ULTRA 400FSB SATA AGP8X w/ RAID, LAN, USB2.0, & Audio [+39]
ASUS A7V8X-X VIA KT400 MB W/ 8X AGP,USB 2.0 & AUDIO [-7]
ASUS A7N8X-X nVidia nForce-2 400 FSB 8X AGP w/ USB 2.0 [-7]
ASUS A7N8X nVidia nForce-2 ULTRA 400 FSB 8X AGP w/ USB 2.0 [+12]
ASUS A7N8X-E DELUXE nVidia nForce-2 ULTRA 400FSB SATA AGP8X [+63]
GigaByte GA-7N400-L1 nForce2 ULTRA 400FSB DDR400 AGP8X AUDIO & LAN [+10]
MSI K7N2-L DELTA nForce2 ULTRA 400FSB DDR400 AGP 8X [+10]
 
Originally posted by Shieze
Tivon don't suggest an overclocking system to someone who obviously has little to no knowledge or want to overclock.

XSNiper go with what everyone has been telling you you and save the extra money and ignore Tivon's comment imo.
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Well Dam.. I don't feel loved.:confused:
I thought everyone overclocked these days?:p
 
Originally posted by Tivon
Well Dam.. I don't feel loved.:confused:
I thought everyone overclocked these days?:p
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Well at the very least you should've suggested the Mobile 2400+ and not the 2600+. They're essentially the same thing and he's a kid on a budget.

Still though, it wasn't bad advice. It was just given to the wrong person.
 
Originally posted by XSNiper
umm..would using the PSU that comes with this case be good enough?

And uhh which of these is the best that would subtract money?


Abit NF7 nForce2 ULTRA Chipset 400 FSB AGP 8X w/ LAN, USB2.0, & Audio (have this selected)
Albatron Nforce2 Ultra DDR 400 Dual Channel MB w/ LAN, USB2.0, & Audio [-9]
Biostar M7NCD Pro nForce2 ULTRA Chipset 400 FSB AGP8X w/LAN, USB2, & Audio [-7]
ABit NF7-S nForce2 ULTRA 400FSB SATA AGP8X w/ RAID, LAN, USB2.0, & Audio [+39]
ASUS A7V8X-X VIA KT400 MB W/ 8X AGP,USB 2.0 & AUDIO [-7]
ASUS A7N8X-X nVidia nForce-2 400 FSB 8X AGP w/ USB 2.0 [-7]
ASUS A7N8X nVidia nForce-2 ULTRA 400 FSB 8X AGP w/ USB 2.0 [+12]
ASUS A7N8X-E DELUXE nVidia nForce-2 ULTRA 400FSB SATA AGP8X [+63]
GigaByte GA-7N400-L1 nForce2 ULTRA 400FSB DDR400 AGP8X AUDIO & LAN [+10]
MSI K7N2-L DELTA nForce2 ULTRA 400FSB DDR400 AGP 8X [+10]
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As long as you're not overclocking, and you aren't, the generic PSU should be fine. In other words, yes to your first question.

As for the second, I don't know anything about any of those Asus boards. I think all nForce-2 based boards are essentially the same in that they all have onboard audio and ethernet and so because you're not overlocking or looking for a RAID soultion, you should be happy with any of them. That said, the NF7 series must be popular for a reason and so I would recommend sticking with what you've got selected now. I mean it's a small, 7-9 bucks, difference.
 
another thing about cyberpower. Will I recieve a preasembled puter that I can just plug my monitor in and go?
 
hint:

you will never make the word "puter" leet.

It was "cute" when my 3year old called it that.

But for an adult/teenager? No.
 
Originally posted by XSNiper
another thing about cyberpower. Will I recieve a preasembled puter that I can just plug my monitor in and go?
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Unless they say otherwise, yep you will recieve a preassembled COMPUTER .
 
it would be more useful to me to answer the question not talk about how i type.

thank you
 
If you're bent on saving a few bucks, you could do away with the sound card, you have audio on the mobo. The Cyberpower system will come assembled.
 
yes, the onboard audio that you have on the nf7 is very nice. save urself a few bucks and you won't regret it because that's more money that will go to an even better system later ^_^. good luck ^_^
 
i dont need help from sum1 that is telling me puter is not professional. Anyway im getting worried about this CyberPower company now that i ordered. I havent seen to many good reviews and i dont want to get screwed. does anybody know of recent orders from them and have they gotten better.
 
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