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Boeing chooses AMD

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Didn't know where else to put this.

http://mil-embedded.com/news-id/?43563

Boeing selects CoreAVI solutions to harness the high performance capabilities of AMD embedded Radeon(tm) graphics processors to be used in next generation advanced cockpit display systems
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This win is not so much about revenue (in the short term) but the fact that AMD's hardware has passed the very rigorous testing and earned the required (safety, performance and reliability) certifications to be used in the aerospace industry. They now have a foothold in the market and are an option for new potential customers.

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Further reading:
http://www.avionics-intelligence.com/articles/2013/08/core-avionics-amd.html
 
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Wow, there's a surprise!

The 20year supply probably helps A LOT!! Continued component availability is one of the biggest pain when getting a box certified and getting orders a decade later. Airplanes last a long time...
 
From my little time around planes, simulators, and boeing. Its not that intel wasn't up to par in performance, its AMD was cheaper then intel.
 
is anyone else concerned about possible security concerns since these chips will probably be made in china...does boeing make cockpit screens for fighter jets?
 
fixedmy7970 said:
is anyone else concerned about possible security concerns since these chips will probably be made in china...does boeing make cockpit screens for fighter jets?
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The US government accused Huawei of putting backdoors into chips they sold to the US. No evidence was found, last year it turned out the US had been putting backdoors into chips other governments bought.

So statistically its safer to have the chips made in china then in the US.
 
Taiwan != China but China is trying hard to change that.

With aviation reliability is more critical than performance so I'm not surprised Boeing chose AMD. From my experience flip flopping between the two AMD has been more reliable. Athlon XP more so than Intel PIII and Opteron and even Kaveri more so than Xeon.
 
^so your saying intel is the better performer, but not as reliable as amd?

I always thought intel beat amd in both catagories
 
this is a good thing for amd. looks like the trolls are out in full force i believe amd has a chip that meets the needs of said company. why this simple embedded win for a company turns into intel vs amd trolling i have no idea.
 
That's pretty cool, my father in law just retired from Boeing as a VP. He started in hydraulics for several military planes. This is a good win for AMD because longterm, guaranteed income helps fuel more r&d investments for better products.
 
Don't these companies usually go with the lowest bidder?
Just because they "chose" AMD doesn't mean they think AMD will be better for the job than Intel. They probably saved 50 cents per chip.
 
Here's a quick summary of the history and current situation in the market

http://embedded-computing.com/articles/can-claw-embedded-market-back-intel/

AMD had been the leaders for many years and only recently Intel gained a foothold with their low power Atom chips. But Intel's Achilles heel is graphics and the industry is moving towards a more graphics and compute intensive direction. This is where AMD shines and now Intel products with their relatively poor graphics performance are being complemented (with discrete AMD GPUs) or outright replaced with AMD SOCs that have equal CPU performance but vastly superior GPU power.

TaintedSquirrel said:
Don't these companies usually go with the lowest bidder?
Just because they "chose" AMD doesn't mean they think AMD will be better for the job than Intel. They probably saved 50 cents per chip.
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Hey look it's the same argument people used to downplay AMD's win on all the home gaming consoles. Time to learn a new tune :)
AMD provides equal cpu performance and 8 times better GPU performance than competing products.
 
Even though I said AMD cheaper and thats why boeing went with it, I'm not bashing AMD in anyway. I do think its a good thing for AMD and the industry as a whole. What that means it helps keep AMD relevant, which will also keep intel honest and innovative as well.

I work on a simulator made by boeing and theres about 12 computers. All of them using AMD cpus.
 
x3nzox said:
^so your saying intel is the better performer, but not as reliable as amd?

I always thought intel beat amd in both catagories
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CPU's are pretty reliable no matter what, its just AMD has better all in one solutions, and can render graphics than intel GPU

If AMD's can take one thing its heat be it GPU and CPU, all other brands seem to fail much quicker at the heat threshold.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Don't these companies usually go with the lowest bidder?
Just because they "chose" AMD doesn't mean they think AMD will be better for the job than Intel. They probably saved 50 cents per chip.
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Yeah, Boeing could care less about reliability (said nobody ever).
 
OmgitsSexyChase said:
CPU's are pretty reliable no matter what, its just AMD has better all in one solutions, and can render graphics than intel GPU

If AMD's can take one thing its heat be it GPU and CPU, all other brands seem to fail much quicker at the heat threshold.
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ahh, got ya.
 
I wonder if the Quality of their drivers would affect the future of Boeing.I know drivers mean nothing in CPU but if they use their GPU drivers for the inflight infotainment system,then god help the long distance passengers.
 
cukoodukoo said:
I wonder if the Quality of their drivers would affect the future of Boeing.I know drivers mean nothing in CPU but if they use their GPU drivers for the inflight infotainment system,then god help the long distance passengers.
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Closed system means one tested and reliable driver. Think embedded
 
Funny reading about AMD being chosen for OpenGL rendering. AMD/ATi consumer graphic drivers have historically had poor performance and compatibility with the OpenGL standard. I remember the laptops we were given in college using AMD cards, and we needed to install customized drivers when we started programming with OpenGL in order to have all its features available to us.
 
Armenius said:
Funny reading about AMD being chosen for OpenGL rendering. AMD/ATi consumer graphic drivers have historically had poor performance and compatibility with the OpenGL standard. I remember the laptops we were given in college using AMD cards, and we needed to install customized drivers when we started programming with OpenGL in order to have all its features available to us.
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Yes, but in a closed system, OpenGL can make use of AMD-specific extensions. :) So I would think that this is an apples/oranges comparison you are making.

EDIT: Forgot to mention also that a custom driver could be applied here too.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Don't these companies usually go with the lowest bidder?
Just because they "chose" AMD doesn't mean they think AMD will be better for the job than Intel. They probably saved 50 cents per chip.
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Only in the minds of Intel sheep. For an airliner that costs close to a hundred million to a few hundred million I doubt they would be concerned about saving 50 cents over other factors.

http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/prices/
Airplane Families 2013 $ in Millions Average

737 Family
737-700 76.0
737-800 90.5
737-900ER 96.1
737 MAX 7 85.1
737 MAX 8 103.7
737 MAX 9 109.9

747 Family
747-8 356.9
747-8 Freighter 357.5

767 Family
767-300ER 185.8
767-300 Freighter 188.0
767-2CFX *

777 Family
777-200ER 261.5
777-200LR 296.0
777-300ER 320.2
777 Freighter 300.5

787 Family
787-8 211.8
787-9 249.5
787-10 288.7
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Don't these companies usually go with the lowest bidder?
Just because they "chose" AMD doesn't mean they think AMD will be better for the job than Intel. They probably saved 50 cents per chip.
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Probably more than 50 cents, but nobody everybody knows AMD chips are less expensive than Intel, and most know you get what you pay for! ;)
 
Starrbuck said:
Probably more than 50 cents, but nobody everybody knows AMD chips are less expensive than Intel, and most know you get what you pay for! ;)
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LOL you hate AMD that much your suggesting you get what you pay for that AMD is inferior and Boeing is willing to sacrifice millions of people to save more than 50 cents.Did I read this wrong.
 
Without AMD there'd be no 64-bit extension in Intel for him to enjoy his Windows 64-bit. Ignorance is a sin. ;)
 
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