Blu-ray to Receive An Emmy at CES

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And the award for “most blue in a ray” goes to Sony, Panasonic, Philips and TDK. Damn, makes me wish my PS3 didn’t go belly up…it waited so long for this day.

"Sony began development of blue-laser optical technology in the late 1990s, realized the world's first high-definition recording on 20GB optical media by using blue-violet laser, and has contributed greatly to the continuous development of the Blu-ray Disc format," Jun Yonemitsu, deputy senior general manager of the company's home entertainment development division, said in a statement.
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I like bluray, just as long as it's not a sony device, it's good. I'm starting to buy it now when it's gotten cheap. I apply my dvd buying rule to it. :) I've only gotten three of them so far, but that should start to grow. Yep, avatar was my first one. I sort of like to think that avatar is to blu-ray like the matrix was to dvd.
 
An Emmy for a piece of technology? Do we need further proof of how pointless these awards have become?
 
I got burned by being an early adopter and choosing the wrong side (HD-DVD). Because of that rediculous experience, I am sitting on the sidelines for 3D-TVs. Electronic manufacturer's can bite me. Not going to get burned again.

I have never really been overly impressed with Blu-Rays due to their high cost and constant firmware upgrades / incompatibility issues / feature creep - standerd churn. The Blu-Ray spec was never ready for prime time when it was released - which is why I chose to put my money on HD-DVD. Corporate games (on both sides) and greed pretty much screwed the consumers by shuffling movie studio support amongst various formats.

Physical media will be dead in 3 to 5 years anyway (assuming ISPs don't start imposing caps). Netflix seems to think so anyway based on where they are investing (and direct comments from the CEO).
 
txfeinbergs said:
I got burned by being an early adopter and choosing the wrong side (HD-DVD). Because of that rediculous experience, I am sitting on the sidelines for 3D-TVs. Electronic manufacturer's can bite me. Not going to get burned again.

I have never really been overly impressed with Blu-Rays due to their high cost and constant firmware upgrades / incompatibility issues / feature creep - standerd churn. The Blu-Ray spec was never ready for prime time when it was released - which is why I chose to put my money on HD-DVD. Corporate games (on both sides) and greed pretty much screwed the consumers by shuffling movie studio support amongst various formats.

Physical media will be dead in 3 to 5 years anyway (assuming ISPs don't start imposing caps). Netflix seems to think so anyway based on where they are investing (and direct comments from the CEO).
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Don't blame ya on 3D TVs. I think the overall lack of quality 3D content is a big problem with it too. Especially when most 3D movies are shitty conversions anyway. Why would I want to watch that?

ISP caps or no, 5 years is too short. The US network infrastructure in no way has the capability to host every single person with a computer streaming video, especially HD video. In a few years we will likely see a bigger shift start to happen, especially as digital content is pushed in other areas. The shift will likely mostly start with more downloading happening and then go to streaming as ISPs beef up their networks to make it possible.
 
Derangel said:
Don't blame ya on 3D TVs. I think the overall lack of quality 3D content is a big problem with it too. Especially when most 3D movies are shitty conversions anyway. Why would I want to watch that?

ISP caps or no, 5 years is too short. The US network infrastructure in no way has the capability to host every single person with a computer streaming video, especially HD video. In a few years we will likely see a bigger shift start to happen, especially as digital content is pushed in other areas. The shift will likely mostly start with more downloading happening and then go to streaming as ISPs beef up their networks to make it possible.
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I would not be concerned about every single person. Every single person doesn't own a Blu-Ray player nor would every single person choose to stream at the same time even if they all had the capability. I would bet that most people that do own Blu-Ray players also have the capability to stream Hi-Def videos i.e. people that visit this site!. That said, I guess there will always be a need for physical media (i.e. those who live in the boondocks and don't have hi-speed ISP connections)- it just won't be the mainstream way people get their content in 3 to 5 years. That is what I should have said.
 
That's the "mainstream" part that does not work for me:
There will still be a strong need for physical media, in DVD or BD format, as the choices offered online are pretty poor compared to what's available on physical media, in terms of titles, quality, features (languages, subtitles, extras) and will be for many years.

Also, I like being able to interrupt and resume playback at anytime, changing movies, playing it on any hardware platform I have, sharing it with friends and family, and all other possibilities that a physical or ripped disc offers, as opposed to a stream.

The only drawback with disks is the waste of resources and the redundancy, if every person buys their own copy of each movie. But I don't see how it can be any different for now, when there is no "public" library service that would serve all the movies in the world and movie companies are still considering sharing as piracy.
 
Blu Ray is simply the best quality video format out now. HD DVD worked for me as well but Blu Ray is still standing so the Emmy goes to BD.
 
heatlesssun said:
HD DVD worked for me as well but Blu Ray is still standing so the Emmy goes to BD.
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The only reason Blu Ray is still standing is because the Blu Ray consortium (probably just Sony, but who cares) paid a shitload of money to studios as bribes to use/switch to their format, with WB being the final straw. At least the HD-DVD group had the courtesy to graciously bow out while the dust was settling, unlike Sony with their failed formats before.
 
EvilWays said:
The only reason Blu Ray is still standing is because the Blu Ray consortium (probably just Sony, but who cares) paid a shitload of money to studios as bribes to use/switch to their format, with WB being the final straw. At least the HD-DVD group had the courtesy to graciously bow out while the dust was settling, unlike Sony with their failed formats before.
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The BDA won early points with the studios with full HDCP support. Bank vaults worth of money or not HD-DVD was going to fail. Toshiba had no idea what they were doing with the format. It would just have taken a lot longer.
 
Both sides were guilty of dirty underhanded tactics I am afraid - at the cost of the consumer. Both Toshiba and Sony / Blu-Ray consortium got their pounds of flesh from me (although I like to think I actually got some back from Sony since I bought the original PS3 when they were selling them at a large loss and then didn't buy any games for the thing - just used it as an over-powered Blu-Ray player).
 
Bluray only won the war because of PS3 and porn. This whole Emmy thing is pretty laughable.
 
Physical media will never die, get real and smell the ashes of the internet infrastructure that's already burning. Disc storage will die, but it's unlikely to happen until 2020 at earliest. Holo-storage cards that you can step on, drop and cut without damaging the contents will take a while, but the wait will be worth it.

(Hi, I'm John Titor, lemme tell you about the future)
 
Horsepuckies.

BR got where it is simply by doing a better job of paying off people than it's competitor.

From a consumer standpoint, BR is a disaster of cost, incompatibilities, and excessive marketing bullshit.

HD-DVD was cheaper, easier to produce, more reliable, and the picture quality was at least as good.

HD-DVD was Hi-Def Video without the bullshit. But we all know how well Sony can fling the Bullshit.
 
You didn't choose the wrong side. This was just one of those cases where the right side didn't win.

txfeinbergs said:
I got burned by being an early adopter and choosing the wrong side (HD-DVD). Because of that rediculous experience, I am sitting on the sidelines for 3D-TVs. Electronic manufacturer's can bite me. Not going to get burned again.

I have never really been overly impressed with Blu-Rays due to their high cost and constant firmware upgrades / incompatibility issues / feature creep - standerd churn. The Blu-Ray spec was never ready for prime time when it was released - which is why I chose to put my money on HD-DVD. Corporate games (on both sides) and greed pretty much screwed the consumers by shuffling movie studio support amongst various formats.

Physical media will be dead in 3 to 5 years anyway (assuming ISPs don't start imposing caps). Netflix seems to think so anyway based on where they are investing (and direct comments from the CEO).
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Doesn't matter how many "awards" a technology wins if that technology has already been supplanted.

Who wants/needs individually packaged (and stored/accessed) media? ("Ooo look how many linear feet of shelving you have for your movies!")

Moving parts are so 19th Century steampunk. :D
 
That worked out well for them :)

Derangel said:
The BDA won early points with the studios with full HDCP support. Bank vaults worth of money or not HD-DVD was going to fail. Toshiba had no idea what they were doing with the format. It would just have taken a lot longer.
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My only dislike with BluRay is it's durability. It has none.. one hairline scratch could easily cause a 15 minute skip/pause in a movie. That's why I never bothered with Netflix bluray. I tried it for 3 months and 2 in 5 BR's had issues. Now I only buy certain movies worthy of the BR quality. Up to 12 so far in my collection. And I only buy them when they are on sale. Forget those 30$ new released, in 3 months it will be 15-18$ then I will bite. F' off Peter Jackson, give me my extended edition.
 
If Blu-Ray isn't your thing, let it be. Not everyone likes to/can ride bikes, but they exist along with cars.
 
txfeinbergs said:
I got burned by being an early adopter and choosing the wrong side (HD-DVD). Because of that rediculous experience, I am sitting on the sidelines for 3D-TVs. Electronic manufacturer's can bite me. Not going to get burned again.

I have never really been overly impressed with Blu-Rays due to their high cost and constant firmware upgrades / incompatibility issues / feature creep - standerd churn. The Blu-Ray spec was never ready for prime time when it was released - which is why I chose to put my money on HD-DVD. Corporate games (on both sides) and greed pretty much screwed the consumers by shuffling movie studio support amongst various formats.

Physical media will be dead in 3 to 5 years anyway (assuming ISPs don't start imposing caps). Netflix seems to think so anyway based on where they are investing (and direct comments from the CEO).
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I almost did. Bought a toshiba HD-DVD because I needed a new DVD player and it upscaled well anyway. I thought both formats might stick around so I re-sold my Toshiba for what I'd paid and built an HTPC with the combo LG drive. Then HD-DVD tanked.

I liked HD-DVD because a lot of them also came with the regular DVD and I didn't have blu-ray/hd-dvd drives in every room. Now fortunately a lot of blu-ray are starting to do that with a "2 disc deluxe edition."

I think physical media is going to lesson its grip but I think the US is going to have to fix the state of its broadband internet for it's dead. And I don't see rural America having broadband in 3-5 years.
 
TechLarry said:
Horsepuckies.

BR got where it is simply by doing a better job of paying off people than it's competitor.

From a consumer standpoint, BR is a disaster of cost, incompatibilities, and excessive marketing bullshit.

HD-DVD was cheaper, easier to produce, more reliable, and the picture quality was at least as good.

HD-DVD was Hi-Def Video without the bullshit. But we all know how well Sony can fling the Bullshit.
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And Toshiba had no freaking clue what they were doing with HD-DVD. Sony and the others behind Blu-Ray didn't want to repeat mistakes of the past so they formed a group to control it so no one company would have full control and so that they could pool their resources together. Toshiba decided to go at it alone. Beyond that they outright refused to adopt HDCP until it was too late.

HD-DVD was going to fail one way or the other. The BDA tossing around tons of money just made it happen quicker. Toshiba had a good format on their hands, they just had no idea how to properly make use of it. Hell Toshiba couldn't even properly capitalize on the HD-DVD brand name.
 
I have one more reason I don't like Blu-Ray. Michael Bay. What a douche-bag. He was sitting there throwing a tantrum that he wouldn't direct Transformers 2 if it wasn't released on Blu-Ray. That in itself would have been one awesome reason to let HD-DVD win.
 
txfeinbergs said:
I have one more reason I don't like Blu-Ray. Michael Bay. What a douche-bag. He was sitting there throwing a tantrum that he wouldn't direct Transformers 2 if it wasn't released on Blu-Ray. That in itself would have been one awesome reason to let HD-DVD win.
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By that logic you should love 3D since he hates it.
 
TechLarry said:
Horsepuckies.

BR got where it is simply by doing a better job of paying off people than it's competitor.

From a consumer standpoint, BR is a disaster of cost, incompatibilities, and excessive marketing bullshit.

HD-DVD was cheaper, easier to produce, more reliable, and the picture quality was at least as good.

HD-DVD was Hi-Def Video without the bullshit. But we all know how well Sony can fling the Bullshit.
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+1

Unfortunately, all of those reasons are why HD-DVD lost. VHS vs. BetaMax, anyone? We all need to face it, Those in control of the content really don't give a flying bananna about it, they just want our $, If there was an easier road to the $ than the content they'd be all over it. HD-DVD was just the next evolution of the DVD standard, not a complete re-write of optical technology which turned out to be a filled with half implemented protection protocols causing content interruption. But, at least for a while, it did lock the bulk of the people out from direct access to the digital content. And that's why the rest of the market folded in behind Sony. Protection of their profits.
 
txfeinbergs said:
I got burned by being an early adopter and choosing the wrong side (HD-DVD). Because of that rediculous experience, I am sitting on the sidelines for 3D-TVs. Electronic manufacturer's can bite me. Not going to get burned again.
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I bought HD-DVD a month or two before it went belly up but I like to think of it as a good thing. I got a ton of movies for damn near nothing and once it tanked I picked them up for even less.
Plus I have two drives at home capable of playing both HD and BR. Win win for me. You're right though, that experience is why I'm not buying a 3D TV any time soon.
 
mrpc9886 said:
Who wants/needs individually packaged (and stored/accessed) media? ("Ooo look how many linear feet of shelving you have for your movies!")

Moving parts are so 19th Century steampunk. :D
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Some ppl enjoy collecting stuff. Especially as a way of remembering the past.
 
txfeinbergs said:
I have one more reason I don't like Blu-Ray. Michael Bay. What a douche-bag. He was sitting there throwing a tantrum that he wouldn't direct Transformers 2 if it wasn't released on Blu-Ray. That in itself would have been one awesome reason to let HD-DVD win.
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If I could, I'd find the heaviest HD-DVD player and chuck it at his head. He's on my top three worthless director list.
 
It's those types of awards that prove how useless Emmys have become. It's a sad shadow of it's former self.
 
NickJames said:
My only dislike with BluRay is it's durability. It has none.. one hairline scratch could easily cause a 15 minute skip/pause in a movie.
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FUD. Blu ray comes with a scratch resistant coating not found on dvd's or hd-dvd's which easily scratch on those disks. Just take a look on youtube on how hard it takes for a Blu ray not to play.
 
EvilWays said:
The only reason Blu Ray is still standing is because the Blu Ray consortium (probably just Sony, but who cares) paid a shitload of money to studios as bribes to use/switch to their format, with WB being the final straw. At least the HD-DVD group had the courtesy to graciously bow out while the dust was settling, unlike Sony with their failed formats before.
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Actually it was the 20 extra gig of storage, higher bandwidth and the fact that pretty much only Toshiba was backing HD-DVD.

But who's counting. :p
 
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