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BlackIcePro GT Teaser

a sales pitch
different may - or not - be better (better than what ?; HWL has never provided ANY performance info)

some data ?
 
I dont think anyone has claimed that they are better yet BillA, no need to start bashing it all ready. Since HWLabs doesn't do testing on their products, we wont see any testing until they are released, which looks soon.
 
Erasmus354 said:
I dont think anyone has claimed that they are better yet BillA, no need to start bashing it all ready. Since HWLabs doesn't do testing on their products, we wont see any testing until they are released, which looks soon.
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Don't think BillA is bashing anything. "sales pitch" , I agree. The rest are facts.
 
Talonz said:
45% thinner tubes? That can't be good? :confused:
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I think they mean tube walls. In which case, excellent. Easier to remove heat.
 
oakfox said:
The full site is now up for anyone wondering.
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still no data
should sell well, most WCers are happy enough with mfgr's claims
(good words are cheaper than testing)
 
I guess you need fancy Flash intros to sell heat exchangers now.

Very sales-pitchy tone on the site. Higher fin density, thinner fin process, greater surface area - but are these really positive changes? I don't see the need for such extensive upgrades when implementing a real shroud would probably have a more dramatic effect.
 
BillA said:
still no data
should sell well, most WCers are happy enough with mfgr's claims
(good words are cheaper than testing)
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Once again, nobody here is claiming these radiators to be the best thing since sliced bread. Some people are just excited at the release of a new and possibly good new product. I seem to recall a lot of hub-ub about the Swiftech Storm block, eventhough nobody knew if Swiftech would nerf the design a bit to make it easier to manufacture. I dont recall you coming into that thread saying "no data therefore it sucks".

You dont need performance data to get excited that something new is coming out, you do need performance data to make claims about how good something is...claims which as of yet have not been made by anyone here.
 
The person that owns HWL is a very reputable person and he has spent a great deal of $ developing the new line. He is committed to providing a superior product for the H20 enthusiast.
In the case of the flash, go to falcons site or any other high end site. It appears to be the new trend.
BTW, the GT's will be here next week so I will let you know my initial thoughts and performance numbers.
 
curious to know how these will compare to the PA series and the MCR220...
 
Budwise said:
curious to know how these will compare to the PA series and the MCR220...
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ah yes, data on the PA ?

Erasmus354
I designed the Swiftech rads, and the testing setup to quantify their performance;
am doing just the same for the CoolingWorks rads at this very moment.

Test data is unbiased, a 'level playing field'.
Notice that Willy's reputation is already being substituted for data.
hi ho
Have we not been here before ?
I will stop now.
 
Looks like a nice paint job and major marketing to me.. nothing more...

But on the other hand, if the price is right I would consider it just for the paint job....
 
I dont think you are getting my point BillA.

Nobody here is making performance claims, we are merely excited that a new product is coming out. You on the other hand must butt in here and rain on everyone's parade. There is no reason to do so, it is simply the fact that something new is coming out soon and people are excited or intrigued by it. Now if YOU have some performance data to show on these radiators which would validate you for raining on our parade go ahead, otherwise.....well if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all.

I fully agree that performance data is a splendid thing to have, and I love the tests you conducted on radiators I think you do an excellent job. I am just saying that there is no reason to spout off all the negativity all ready.
 
BillA said:
ah yes, data on the PA ?

Erasmus354
I designed the Swiftech rads, and the testing setup to quantify their performance;
am doing just the same for the CoolingWorks rads at this very moment.

Test data is unbiased, a 'level playing field'.
Notice that Willy's reputation is already being substituted for data.
hi ho
Have we not been here before ?
I will stop now.
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NO. I did not substitute his reputation for data.
I was replying to previous comments pertaining to it being a "sales-pitch" and "flashy". Owners do what they believe will help sell the product that they are passionate about. I believe that is perfectly acceptable as Willy is taking the risk. Were it not for Willy taking the risk and others like him, there would be no need for testers. No offense.
 
If it offers any performance increase over the current generation BIP then it's a decent product especially if the price is still unchanged. I imagine we'll see if it's hope, hype or fact when the final product hits the shelves. Until then I'll personally wait and see.
 
sorry if this has already been stated but if the rad isn't a major bottleneck then i doubt you'd see big gains by switching ... i myself have a bip3 so i think i'll stay for now...

keep it coming HWlabs .. got to love their dedication to the niche market of pc watercooling

mal
 
malicious said:
sorry if this has already been stated but if the rad isn't a major bottleneck then i doubt you'd see big gains by switching ... i myself have a bip3 so i think i'll stay for now...

keep it coming HWlabs .. got to love their dedication to the niche market of pc watercooling

mal
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It depends upon the increase, if you're gaining 2-4C decrease in temps by the rad design then you could possibly swap from a 2-120 to a 1-120 and get very similar temps. I don't know about you but if I could lose a fan and keep the same (Or close to them) temps I'd happily go with the smaller rad.
 
madmat said:
It depends upon the increase, if you're gaining 2-4C decrease in temps by the rad design then you could possibly swap from a 2-120 to a 1-120 and get very similar temps. I don't know about you but if I could lose a fan and keep the same (Or close to them) temps I'd happily go with the smaller rad.
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I think that is a bit much to ask, the PA160 is almost able to keep up with most 2x120 radiators, and that is a good bit larger than a single 120.
 
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