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-bigadv points adjust

This core hack is partly why bigadv has gone to 16 threads, if you start doing it with the lga 2011 chips PG will just turn it into -bigadv 24
 
they may be able to, but guess what, all this core hacking is what keeps bringing these points changing around.
 
Nathan_P said:
This core hack is partly why bigadv has gone to 16 threads, if you start doing it with the lga 2011 chips PG will just turn it into -bigadv 24
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W.Feather said:
they may be able to, but guess what, all this core hacking is what keeps bringing these points changing around.
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Intel is to blame for that, they keep making powerful CPUs and faster than what Pande can adjust..

by the time bigadv-24 comes around there will be 8 core extreme systems, able to clock to 5Ghz and do them in no time just as these lowly 6 cores are doing them now.. :mad:
 
FoldingHard2 said:
well sorry if I upset you. I will no longer bring this subject again, I was mentioning that some desktop CPUs are able to do this huge Wus... :p
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Yes and this hack has forced PG to alter the game and now rendered a lot of server level equipment unable to fold -bigadv. I have 3 server level m/b with dual intel hex core CPU's. 2 of them are no longer able to fold -bigadv because this core hack is being pushed as a points panacea. Given that i now have £1500 in hardware rendered incapable of doing what it has been doing for the last 6-9 months because some points jockey wants his i5 or x6 to do bigadv, i think that me and all the other affected folders have every right to be upset.

You are more than welcome to post here but mentioning the core hack is a very quick way of being flamed off the forum
 
Nathan_P said:
Yes and this hack has forced PG to alter the game and now rendered a lot of server level equipment unable to fold -bigadv. I have 3 server level m/b with dual intel hex core CPU's. 2 of them are no longer able to fold -bigadv because this core hack is being pushed as a points panacea.
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sorry bout that buddy!. :(

can we ask Intel to make unlock server class CPUs?(with dual or quad QPI links) so we don´t need to upgrade each time PG does this?
 
I think the bigadv change to 16 threads was silly. It still doesn't prevent core hacking. I'm not sure why shortening the deadlines wasn't enough.

All it did was shaft folders like Nathan_P
 
Kardonxt said:
I think the bigadv change to 16 threads was silly. It still doesn't prevent core hacking. I'm not sure why shortening the deadlines wasn't enough.

All it did was shaft folders like Nathan_P
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That´s true. there is alot of people at OCN doing them with SandyBridge Es, heck some fools are doing them with i7 970s but most barely miss the deadlins
 
Deadlines is my problem, not thread count, in order to thwart the thread spoofing i7's deadlines had to be pulled right in, Hell even dual 2.66 Hex cores are borderline, I think punchy posted that x5670's @ 3.2 only had a few hours spare.

In order to keep doing -bigadv i now either have to upgrade to expensive x5670 or x5675's or sell my rigs and go 4p
 
FoldingHard2 said:
can we ask Intel to make unlock server class CPUs?(with dual or quad QPI links) so we don´t need to upgrade each time PG does this?
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I doubt it - server class cpu's are designed to run 24/7 for years without a hint of instability - any sysadmin would not chance overclocking a server. The only way to over clock xeon's is to to purchase a SR-2
 
ah, touche I forgot those hex cores had hyper threading. I thought it was thread thing, had no idea they couldn't make deadlines.
 
Nathan_P said:
I am curious though - have you tried the new WU on your AMD 2p?
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no, I'm sure the 2.0ghz one wont make it. The 2.3 might just barely. They are turned off right now waiting for my 4p mobo to show up. It's a pita but at least I can re-use most of the parts and my 2.0 cpus were only $100 a pop so i'm not nearly as frustrated as you. But i can see where you're coming from for sure.
 
FoldingHard2 said:
But..but you just said you were fine with chips making the deadline... these chips can make the deadline with plenty of time to spare...:confused:
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That they may but you are still cheating the system and denying people who have followed the guidelines laid down by PG from using their hardware in the way it was purchased for.

Arggh i give up, this will just go round and round, you guys at OCN do what you want but no bitchin when your machines either die through the insane overclocks needed or can no longer meet the deadlines because they are too short and the core count too high.
 
Kardonxt said:
no, I'm sure the 2.0ghz one wont make it. The 2.3 might just barely. They are turned off right now waiting for my 4p mobo to show up. It's a pita but at least I can re-use most of the parts and my 2.0 cpus were only $100 a pop so i'm not nearly as frustrated as you. But i can see where you're coming from for sure.
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Check with the 4p Mafia but i think you may be able to get all 4 chips working in the same board even if they only run at 2.0
 
Ya that's my plan. I was just referring to the 2-2.0s I bought like 2 weeks ago and only got to turn in 1 wu with lol. Luckily I can re-use them with my 2.3s in the 4p box but being so cheap I wouldn't have been as pissed as you who spent well over $1000 just in cpus.
 
Nathan_P said:
That they may but you are still cheating the system and denying people who have followed the guidelines laid down by PG from using their hardware in the way it was purchased for..
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its not me, its OCN as a group, I just fold SMPs with my 2500k.. ;)

but hey Pande is also denying people with 24 threads(2.5Ghz and under) of the bigadv-16 too...;)

Nathan_P said:
Hell even dual 2.66 Hex cores are borderline
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you know why a sandyB E @ 4.8Ghz can make deadlines and 2.6 dual hex care are borderline? well because they don´t need special things like Kraken or special guides. their superiority comes from being more advance than westmere and the fact that core 0 and core 5 are closer than core 0 and core 11 on a 2P system..

its ok. this is the last post I make about Intel 6 cores doing Bigadv-16 Wus..

good luck to your team, OCN will be number 1 soon.. :cool:
 
what the fuck are you talking about doesnt need special things?

a 2p hex core rig doesnt need them, it just speeds it up. BFS will definatly have an effect on a 12 thread machine, and i think kraken may as well...

and wtf about this core 0 and 5 are closer than core 0 and core 11 ? ....doesnt even make sense....
 
Oh i was plenty pissed but i'm just about over it. It does mean i have to weigh my options though - this year is not a year of big upgrades so i have to make do with what i've got (unless crazy deals come along) and i only have a 550w power "budget" to play with so another xeon x56xx rig is out anyhow
 
W.Feather said:
and wtf about this core 0 and 5 are closer than core 0 and core 11 ? ....doesnt even make sense....
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its all about efficiency and latencies. there is penalty for a program needing to communicate between core 0 and core 11 in a 2P system, where that penalty is almost none when its only between core 0 and core 5 in a single socket system..

basicaly what I am trying to say is this. the F@H program would much rather work on a tightly close system than a loose one.

say you could OC a 3 core CPU to 10Ghz(just an example) its TPF times would be much better than a 6 core OCed to 5Ghz and much much better than a 12 core system at 2.5Ghz in a 2P motherboard..
 
FoldingHard2 said:
its not me, its OCN as a group, I just fold SMPs with my 2500k.. ;)

but hey Pande is also denying people with 24 threads(2.5Ghz and under) of the bigadv-16 too...;)

you know why a sandyB E @ 4.8Ghz can make deadlines and 2.6 dual hex care are borderline? well because they don´t need special things like Kraken or special guides. their superiority comes from being more advance than westmere and the fact that core 0 and core 5 are closer than core 0 and core 11 on a 2P system..

its ok. this is the last post I make about Intel 6 cores doing Bigadv-16 Wus..

good luck to your team, OCN will be number 1 soon.. :cool:
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Yeah good luck with the #1 thing. Once the HPCS beta is over and -bigdv is sorted OCN's little army of piss ant SMP ONLY sandy bridge systems will be right back at 13-14mil.

We are the almighty [H]orde, round here we do things the proper way and the [H]ard way:- thats no cheating and as many cores as we can afford to run:cool:
 
Ok, well then don't use kraken, tweaks, or guides anymore if they are so bad.
 
Nathan_P said:
We are the almighty [H]orde, round here we do things the proper way and the [H]ard way:- thats no cheating and as many cores as we can afford to run:cool:
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you could have all the cores you want but if they are not OC they will be no good, we at OCN live and dream about Huge High OCs and that´s what we do best. you better hold on to your socks because we are coming [H]ard on you... :cool:

OCN Number 1 baby....
 
Whether for it or against it, let's quit calling it the "core hack." It is a Linux script, which does not alter the F@H code at all.
 
FoldingHard2 said:
I was just mentioning that some desktop CPUs are able to do this huge Wus... :p
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I am not sure I would call LGA 2011 a desktop socket.

I would say its a server socket that Intel is also marketing towards Enthusiasts... like the skulltrail platform.
I honestly do not mind systems that can do the work AND do it quickly folding the larger wu.
My problem is when they can't do it quickly. aka lga1155.

The bigadv program has 2 requirements, work and speed. If you can only meet 1 of 2 requirements should you get the same points as a system that can. No I don't think so.

Stanford mentioned they want to switch to a day where systems are judged on a performance basis rather than the artificial core basis. I look forward to that distant day.

As far as how big of a bonus... I think double the points for 10x the size/risk is more than appropriate.
 
Patriot said:
I am not sure I would call LGA 2011 a desktop socket.

I would say its a server socket that Intel is also marketing towards Enthusiasts... like the skulltrail platform.

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The bigadv program has 2 requirements, work and speed. If you can only meet 1 of 2 requirements should you get the same points as a system that can. No I don't think so.

Stanford mentioned they want to switch to a day where systems are judged on a performance basis rather than the artificial core basis. I look forward to that distant day....
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Totally agree. A decent mobo + CPU + 1 extra DRAM stick price of going i7-2600K to i7-3930k is basically double for 50% more cores and suck a lot more power (oh and you need a GPU with the i7-3930k.) The LGA 2011 platform is not a consumer/ prosumer platform. It is really a server platform they decided to hand out a few enthusiast parts for.

Incidentally, moving to a 2P E5-2690 system will be in the $4100 range, before getting a motherboard that will cost a few hundred bucks.
 
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