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Big problem, need help, random restarts

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sdk

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I just installed a used IC7g that I bought of these forums, and a 2.4c that I got of these forums. I got them to install okay, however I am having some problems. Whenever I install something like my VC drivers, like just what I did now, it did a bit, stoped then restarted. However each time I do it it seems to get a little farther. This time it froze where it asked me to install express or custom, this time just now I got past that. I know it is not my temps, it is reading 38 C stock, which is really about 28 )ic7 series read about 10 C higher)

When I installed my new ram, it did this for a bit, but it seemed to stop. So far I have my chipset drivers and DX installed, however it is kind of anoying.

Any suggestions?

MEM TEST RESULTS-After 27 Minutes all I saw was that it said 2 passed, 104576 errors and 0 ECC errors. I really dun know anything about memtest so just let me know what I should look for.
 
what are your full system specs in this new pc?
Your signature mentions Corsair PC2700.
2 things come to mind. I had some Kingston HyperX PC3200 BH-5 sticks that seemed to be fine initially but windows kept having huge stability problems in an IC7G-Max3 board, eventually I realized I needed to up the voltage to 2.7 (was 2.6) and then everything was stable. Your problem might be similar in nature, have you run memtest86 on your new system for long? Also if you are using PC2700 dimms from your signature, then are your runing them 1:1 to the 2.4C? cause that would probably cause instability since your running on an 800mhz FSB (ie Dual Channel PC3200 speed)
 
I uped the voltage, but like last time when I installed the ram, each time it would get farther along.

I have to sell my old mobo and proc to someone else who already paid me for them, and get it out shipped asap as he is waiting for it.

what u guys think i should do, do you think with my new ram it will go away?
any suggestions?
 
Just out of curiousity.....did you REFORMAT when you changed mobo's or not? I've tried doing a mobo without a reformat.....but I was never happy with the result.
 
Have you cleared your BIOS?

Did you run Memtest on that bad boy yet?



In your other thread you said that you were changing out the mem and the PS.

Is it in there yet?
 
PS is, now it won't detect my hdd or memory, tommorow on my half day I am talking everything out and putting it all back to gether.

My ram should be comming in soon, aka tommorow.
 
Originally posted by sdk
PS is, now it won't detect my hdd or memory, tommorow on my half day I am talking everything out and putting it all back to gether.

My ram should be comming in soon, aka tommorow.
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good luck; try clearing the BIOS,

or maybe there's something (rogue screw?) in your case causing your motherboard to short out...

are all your wires connected fully?
 
I posted in your other thread, and I will repeat again here. Your memory may be running out of spec, unless you have the dividers set right in the BIOS. This will cause the problems you are having. So, for the love of all things holy, answer the question:

WHAT SPEED IS YOUR MEMORY RUNNING AT???????????
 
djnes is correct in mentioning that your ram might be running out of spec. You have PC2700 (IE DDR 333). On that motherboard, the fastest in Spec speed you could attain with your ram is 666mhz FSB effective using the Dual Channel feature supported by your chipset. In the bios, there are settings to help you sychronize your processor's 800Mhz FSB to your Rams FSB. This displays itself in ram as a ratio calculation
1:1 == Processor @ 800FSB, RAM at effective 800FSB
2:3 == Processor @ 800FSB, RAM at effective 533FSB
3:4 == Processor @ 800FSB, RAm at effective 600FSB
4:5 == Processor @ 800FSB, Ram at effective 640FSB
5:6 == Processor @ 800FSB, Ram at effective 666FSB
etc.
Now to be honest, I can't remember off the top of my head if the Abit IC7-G board you have has all of those ratios I listed as options. I do remember it had the 2:3 ratio and I want to say the 3:4, but maybe I'm mistaken on listed the other 2 ratios. Your best bet is to pick the 5:6 Ratio if its an option, otherwise go with the next highest ratio you have as an option. This will be necessary for you to operate stably, simply because your ram won't run at the 1:1 Ratio ---800mhz effective FSB (at least not stably). If you have the motherboard setting things up automatically, turn on the manual settings, set the processor for 800Mhz FSB and set your ratio using the above directions. Then figure out what your Ram specifies the timings should be and set them up accordingly in bios.
 
Originally posted by sdk
My ram is running at 2.5-7-3-3.
512 Corsair XMS PC 2700
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The SPEED...the SPEED....not the timings....we don't give a crap about the timings.

In all seriousness..my recommendation i to put down all the parts and call someone who knows what they are doing. You are not capable of answering basic questions, much less building your PC.
 
Originally posted by sdk
Its DDR 333, I figgured you would of figgured that out.
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I know it's DDR333. I am not stupid. I am asking if you have the dividers set in the BIOs to make it run at 333, or if you left eveything as the default normal settings, which would mean your memory is trying to run at 400 MHz....meaning it's overclocked, out of spec, and is probably causing all your issues!!

If you want help, you need to start doing something on your own, besides blowing more money on parts that might not be the problem at all.
 
On a different tangent, could this be a PS problem? I know a lot of random lockups, reboots, etc. can also be due to poor power.
 
I got it back up and detecting. When I was installing windows I got the error
Driver IRQL is not Equal or Less

or something like that, I was using my xp home cd and it gave me the blue screen. Any ideas?
 
Originally posted by sdk
I got it back up and detecting. When I was installing windows I got the error
Driver IRQL is not Equal or Less

or something like that, I was using my xp home cd and it gave me the blue screen. Any ideas?
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Is it too late to say pack your stuff up, return it, and buy a Dell or an HP?
 
it still rebooted, even with my home cd, so you guys think its my ram? it should be here tommorow, the new stuff that is, I will try it them, sigh...
 
The "Driver IRQL is not less than or equal to" almost always indicates a memory Problem in my personal experience.
Now SDK Listen UP. I'm only going to try to explain this once. If you do this your system will be properly setup in the BIOS to run your ram and processor within thier specifications. Do not skip steps follow the instructions precisely. Ask me a question about specific instructions that do not make sense to you But do not half do these instructions.

Step 1. Click Here and it will set you up to Download the Specific Manual for your motherboard (its in PDF format so get Acrobat if you don't already have it so you can look at what I'm going to reference in the online Manual for your motherboard).

Step 2. Open said manual and goto Page #41 at whatever computer station you use that actually works. Now Power on the Computer that we are troubleshooting and immediately begin pressing the delete key repeatedly until you get into your BIOS Screen (that is the Blue Screen that is displayed on Page #41.)

Step 3. Now that you are in the Bios, Turn to page #42 and on your computer from the Initial Bios Screen Goto . SoftMenu Setup. This will take you to where we will be working mostly.
I want you do to the following in this Setup. First off I want you to (using the arrow keys) highlight the CPU Operating Speed. and using the +/- key or the PageUP PageDown keys adjust its setting until it says [USER DEFINE] (Now I know you will see the Warning message in the manual, but if you do exactly what I'm telling you, you're not going to damage your processor or anything else). Now that all those options that were previously greyed out are adjustable, I want you to select the EXT Clock option (CPU/AGP/PCI) and adjust it so that the CPU's (the first number of the 3 numbers) is 200 (When we finish this option will be showing 200/66/33 Mhz)
Next move down to Multiplier Factor and adjust the multiplier to 12 X. Your CPU Frequency will now register as 2.4 Ghz which is exactly what it should be at since you have a P4 2.4C processor. Move down next to the N/B Strap CPU AS and Select the option -[PSB800] ---This will allow us to adjust the Clock ratio of your CPU speed to RAM speed so that your ram will function within its specifications (If that didn't make sense, just take my word for it). Now Move down to DRAM RATIO (CPU: DRAM) Adjust this setting to 5:4 (or if it will let you 6:5) by using the same +/- or PageUP PageDown keys that I mentioned earlier. Your next step is to move down to the AGP Ratio (CPU:AGP:pCI) option. From here you want to select the FIXED option so you can be sure your AGP and PCI busses are set to 66/33. That brings us to the Fixed AGP/PCI Frequency option which you need to adjust so that it shows 66/33 in the settings. There will probably be a Window that pops up asking you to enter a Number, you'll simply Enter 66 and the setting should show 66/33 under Fixed AGP/PCI Frequency. You can SKIP OVER the CPU Core Voltage: Setting just make sure it says DEFAULT and you'll be alright. Finally make sure the DDR SDRAM Voltage and AGP Voltage reads 2.6V and 1.55V respectively.

Step 4. Ok now we have completed step 3. You can Press the ESC KEY ONCE and you'll find yourself back to the Main Bios Menu. From the Main Menu, Select Advanced Bios Features , Turn to Page #47, and adjust the settings to the following Specifications
Virus Warning ---Disabled
Hyper-Threading Technology ---Enabled
Quick Power On Self Test -----Enabled
First Boot up Device ----Floppy
Second Boot up Device --- CDROM
Third Boot up Device --- Hard Disk
Boot Other Device ---- Enabled
Swap Floppy Drive --- Disabled
Boot Up Floppy Seek --- Disabled
Boot Up Numlock Status --- On
APIC Mode ---- Enabled
--MPS Version CTRL for OS --- 1.4
OS Select for DRAM > 63MB --- Non-OS2
Report NO FDD for OS --- NO
Delay IDE Initial (secs) ---- 0
PCI Card Support for SMBUS --- Disabled
Disable Unused PCI CLock --- YES

This concludes the Settings for Step 4. After you finish these settings, Press the ESC key Once and you'll be back at the main menu

STep 5. From the Main Menu, Select Advanced Chipset Features . From the Advanced Chipset Features menu, you need to Select DRAM Timing Selectable and set it to MANUAL Now all the greyed out settings will become adjustable.
From here, Turn to Page #50, set the following settings to the following specifications (I am basing these settings on the specifications listed on newegg for XMS Corsair PC2700 RAM so if you are using that stick which you said you were, then these timings will work with your memory.)
--CAS Latency Time --- 2
--- ACT to Precharge Delay --- 6
--- DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay --- 3
---DRAM RAS# Precharge --- 3

Now also make the following adjustments to the remaining options as necessary.

System Bios Cacheable ---Disabled
Video Bios Cacheable --- Disabled
Memory Hole at 15M-16M ---- Disbabled
Delay Prior to Thermal --- 16Min.
AGP Aperture Size ---128MB
Init Display First ---AGP
DRAM Data Integrity Mode --- NON-ECC
AGP Data Rate Capability -- 8X Mode

Now if you happen to have some options below these that are called Game Accelerator, then either leave it on Auto or Disable/None it. Setting it to anything different isn't going to help with your system stability at all. Once again, Press the ESC key once to go back to the main menu

STEP 6. Once you are back at the Main Menu of the Bios, Either Select the SAVE & Exit Setup option or Press the F10 Key and then press Y. You have now successfully configured your computer to within Specifications.

Your next step should be to Put in your Windows boot CD and boot from it, start the Reinstallation process over again and have it FORMAT the drive for NTFS partition but do not use the QUICK FORMAT option becuase with all these reinstalls I'm concerned that the partition might be a little screwed up (especially with all the memorry/reboot errors) This was Windows should recreate the NTFS partition and format it clean so you won't have any residual effects from previous bad installs.
Good Luck
Be Careful
Ask Questions if you aren't sure.
 
Originally posted by djnes
Is it too late to say pack your stuff up, return it, and buy a Dell or an HP?
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I don't think these comments are really necessary. If you don't want to or can't help him because he isn't giving adequate information then just leave the thread.
 
I love his location also, how it says Hewlet Packard in it.

BIG DEVELOPMENT- According to my ram speeds it is supposed to be running at 2 3 3 6, in bios it is running at 2 6 3 3, it does not give me the options to change it to the specific settings, any ideas?
 
Those are the correct settings SDK they are just inverted somewhat in their order
Go with what I told you and it will work
 
I will do it after dinner. I have not read it fully, but I trust you.
 
Originally posted by RemisGodly
I don't think these comments are really necessary. If you don't want to or can't help him because he isn't giving adequate information then just leave the thread.
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You obviously haven't read the other threads from him regarding the same problems. So, STFU and thanks for playing.



Second, to SDK....for the love of god, I said it 7 times in both forums. What speed (MHZ) is your memory running. IF IT IS SET TOO HIGH FOR THE MEMORY TO HANDLE, IT WILL CAUSE THE PROBLEMS YOU HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I did all that you said, the only thing I changed was the boot order from CD ROM, FLOPPY, HARD DRIVE. I did not think that it would boot and i needed to change it. However it did not work.

I just went up and checked it and it was on 35 mintues, last time I went up I saw it at 30 min, therefore It must of reset.

:(

Whats going on guys?
 
RAM speed, RAM speed, RAM speed. How many more times will it go ignored until you check and post your RAM speed?
 
I made some new progress, after doing what CVTech told me to, and after 1 restart I got it to install windows, however each time that I got into windows it has rebooted on my. Should I set my settings back to Optomized Defaults?


What else is there to tell you. It is DDR 333 Corsair XMS PC 2700 Running at 2 6 3 3. I honestly don't know if there is anything that I am missing, or anything else.
 
Originally posted by sdk
I made some new progress, after doing what CVTech told me to, and after 1 restart I got it to install windows, however each time that I got into windows it has rebooted on my. Should I set my settings back to Optomized Defaults?


What else is there to tell you. It is DDR 333 Corsair XMS PC 2700 Running at 2 6 3 3. I honestly don't know if there is anything that I am missing, or anything else.
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I PMed you back..but I will post here as well. You need to find out what speed in MHz your memory is running at. By default it's probably set for DDR400. If this is the case, and your memory can't handle the overclock....it will cause your system to be extremely unstable. I've been posting in all your threads for you to check the speed of that the memory is set at in MHz. Just because it's rated at DDR333, doesn't mean it's running at 333 Mhz in your system.
 
I have tried 5:4 and 3:2 and BY SPD and it still won't go. Like I said I got it into windows, but when I get rite into windows it still freezes.
 
Originally posted by sdk
I have tried 5:4 and 3:2 and BY SPD and it still won't go. Like I said I got it into windows, but when I get rite into windows it still freezes.
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That's exactly the answer I was looking for...well close enough. 5:4 would have put everything at the correct speeds. Now, how sure are you the RAM is perfectly fine? There's a program called Memtest that will test the memory and see if it's defective. Defective memory can also account for system instability. So could a bad PSU, but you replaced that.
 
MY CD drive is so shitty that it can't even figgure out how to run a cd that is not a ms cd 2 boot of of so yay,

tommorow my ram should be here, and it looks like i need a new cd drive

btw when i was changing from my old case to my new case, a 120 hdd, 16 dvd drive and 48 burner died because of yes, static electricity
 
It's very very very unlikely you killed optical drives with static electricity. Unless you were trying on purpose. They may still work fine...as it may have been another problem.
 
A)why'd you go ahead and buy new RAM, extra cash laying around?

B)hey djines, don't you work at HP?
 
Originally posted by Carnival Forces
A)why'd you go ahead and buy new RAM, extra cash laying around?

B)hey djines, don't you work at HP?
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Yes...I do.
 
for ocing and I could get it for the same price as rmaing my corsair for a refund.

any more ideas?
 
Can you list the manufacturer and the rails on your PSU (they should be printed on the PSU on one of the sides and will be like 3.3V +5V +12V)

What I'm looking for is how many Amps it can put out on each rail.
for instance
3.3V +5V +12V
17A 30A 20A

Also one more thing I just thought of is are you using a SATA drive? and are you installing windows to said drive? If so, then your install will fail unless you use the provided Intel SATA RAID Drivers and Press the F6 key upon Windows startup.
If its a Raid issue, I wouldn't be surprised if you'd just get an endless reboot problem when windows went to the 2nd stage of its Setup.

If it is your Corsair memory that is causing the reboots, then we can verify this by using Memtest86
Here is what you do.
Get a 3 1/2" blank floppy and download this. After you unzip it, run the program and it will install to your floppy the program. Put said floppy in your computer and boot from the floppy (if you left the bios settings the same as I told you earlier, then its already going to boot from the floppy first). Let memtest86 run overnight and just turn off the monitor. When you get up the next morning, see if it has reported any errors at all. You might also want to note what test the error occurred on and what megabyte of your ram stick it reports as failing.
FYI if you want to try to boot Memtest86 from a CDROM, the download this one instead unzip the ISO image and use whatever CD burning software you prefer to burn it to a CD then just stick it in the computers CDrom and see if its in an agreeable enough mood to boot from it.

One more thing that just occurred to me. If you are using your IDE cdrom with a SATA HD, make sure you are running in Mode 7 or 8. Make sure upon Windows install at the very beginning you press the F6 key and load the drivers for your onchip Raid and your Silicon Raid controllers.

[EDit]
YOU know what, I just reread where you said your CD Drive is crapping out. Do me a favor, after the initial install, turn off your computer and disconnect the CDROm from the motherboard and then restart -- one thing a bad Cdrom/ Mounted drive can do is if it doesn't respond to the OS when its being queried (OS tries to communicate with it to make sure its still there and functioning) is lock the OS for a matter of minutes and totally hose everything. Usually it also makes bios posts take alot longer too, but not always. Maybe you have another CDrom you could throw into the computer in place of the semi-bad one and see if that takes care of it. --- The above information was posted when I thought you were saying it was rebooting still, but now I realize you said Freezing and not rebooting. What we're getting down to right now is swapping parts to check if an alternative device besides the suspected ram is causing the errors. (BTW are you still getting the IRQL not less than or equal to error? or is it just sitting there for a very long time and not telling you anything?)
Also what other devices are plugged into your computer? Video card, Sound card Network Card TV-Card etc.? please list the model and manufacturer of each.

DJNES: If he hasn't changed the settings on his motherboard from what I had him set them to then his ram is running at 640Mhz DDR in Dual channel mode or in other words 320 DDR for each stick. If he has one stick then he's only running at 320Mhz (the motherboard automatically adjust for all that in the subsystem between dual channel and single channel, so he doesn't have to set bios settings for that). But as we both know his ram is spec'd for 333MHz and assuming he's still using the 5:4 ratio I told him to use, then he's running well within spec for his ram. The only thing left to do is to see if perhaps the ram is damaged somehow (using the above memtest86 program that I linked to for him).
 
My PSU is a Enermax 465W, when I checked the BIOS readings they read as 12.05 and went down to .2 under. I am using a WD IDE hdd, I know its funny because when I have any CD other than my LEGAL XP CD, it can't detect my drives because it can't read my CD rom. But when I take the CD out it goes right past it.

Like for example I tried to Apply new settings to my windows themes. (After One Reboot I think I got it to install XP home) it froze then rebooted on me. I took my sound card out incase that was causing any conflics with onboard sound.

When I get home I will try taking my CD rom out, and hopefully my new ram should be there. I can take my brothers and use that from down stares, luckily I have all the files that I need from drivers for the mobo to all my programs on my back up 80 giger harddrive. So really I have no use for a cd rom to install my stuff.
 
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