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BF4 IQ Comparison - Nvidia control panel settings

yeah he messed up, he can't use the global slider to force AF, by doing so he forced x 4 AA too.
 
There is definitely a difference between the two and a lot of us have known about it for along time. I always change the texture quality setting in 3d settings for my nvidia cards. I am old enough to remember when reviews included screen captures to show the IQ between cards being compared. Hopefully we can get [H] to include some easy to get uncompressed screenshots of each game to compare in their reviews in the future. Maybe we can use this thread to grab some images ourselves to show the difference? Only issue is it might turn into a flame war from people who can't stay nuetral.
 
On other forums it was already proven that there was something wrong with Greg's setup, since it was somehow resulting in AF being completely disabled. Other users posted screenshots with NVCPL set to defaults and were unable to reproduce the issue. The only way to reproduce Greg's blurry results was by forcing AF to be entirely disabled in NVCPL, which in no way is the default application-controlled setting.
 
I think most of the people commenting here didn't even bother to watch the video. Its BF4 with identical in game settings (including AA 4x) both cards are shown side by side with obvious differences in quality and frame rates for a system that is unchanged between runs (same GPU, not AMD vs Nvidia!) with only changing the quality in nvidia control panel from default to high quality (right).

There is a huge difference in the quality of the road as it gets farther away that has nothing to do with it being uploaded to youtube... or funny that it only effects the half of the video shown in high quality settings...

Please do your own tests if you have the card, its easy enough, just play with default settings, and play with settings forced to high quality in control panel.
 
razor1 said:
yeah he messed up, he can't use the global slider to force AF, by doing so he forced x 4 AA too.
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I feel like a dumbass or something? Wasn't 4x aa selected in both videos? I can understand forcing a higher AF would look different, but then again what exactly does it default to with let application decide? Lastly how would you know what settings its actually using when set that way?
 
primetime said:
I feel like a dumbass or something? Wasn't 4x aa selected in both videos? I can understand forcing a higher AF would look different, but then again what exactly does it default to with let application decide? Lastly how would you know what settings its actually using when set that way?
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Because that's how the global slider works, If you set the global slider to quality it turns on x4 AA and x8 AF. I don't know if they were using 4x aa on the cards. in the video, there really wasn't any mention of it.
 
razor1 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=zC-VpCnexkU

yeah there was x4 aa,

Here is the latest video tests he did, both cards using same settings, the frame rates on both cards took a hit.

Fury X took a bigger hit lol.
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Which is funny because I think this whole thing was to throw NVidia cards under bad light. Just ended up putting another mark against the Fury X.


I do think that most of us enthusiasts run the driver control panel (be it NVidia or AMD) at "Max Quality" settings. And I do think that reviewers should also be doing this too. After all isn't this an enthusiast website where the reviews push the cards to max playable settings? Surely that should include settings in the drivers too.
 
razor1 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=zC-VpCnexkU

yeah there was x4 aa,

Here is the latest video tests he did, both cards using same settings, the frame rates on both cards took a hit.

Fury X took a bigger hit lol.
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Why are you bring up the Fury X?

We are talking about Nvidia defaulting to lower quality than AMD in drivers. Look at the video I posted, which was a result of the differences he noticed during the review you posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2IIM9fncqc

That one is newer and is just comparing default to high quality which is what this post is about. If you can't bother to watch the video don't post.
 
pandora's box said:
Which is funny because I think this whole thing was to throw NVidia cards under bad light. Just ended up putting another mark against the Fury X.


I do think that most of us enthusiasts run the driver control panel (be it NVidia or AMD) at "Max Quality" settings. And I do think that reviewers should also be doing this too. After all isn't this an enthusiast website where the reviews push the cards to max playable settings? Surely that should include settings in the drivers too.
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Again, that was what prompted him to see what caused the difference in IQ, which prompted the (newer) video I posted at the top of this thread, to show that the Titan was lower IQ by default than the Fury. No idea how that puts the Fury in a bad light or what it has to do with anything.

Nvidia has lower quality settings by default, that needs to be looked into and debunked / verified.
 
pandora's box said:
I do think that most of us enthusiasts run the driver control panel (be it NVidia or AMD) at "Max Quality" settings. And I do think that reviewers should also be doing this too.
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I can agree with this. If there a stock review and a max IQ review, I would be down for that.
But I wouldn't like to see a tweaked settings review, i.e. bring Nvidia up to AMD. Just max the settings and run it.
 
DracoNB said:
Why are you bring up the Fury X?

We are talking about Nvidia defaulting to lower quality than AMD in drivers. Look at the video I posted, which was a result of the differences he noticed during the review you posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2IIM9fncqc

That one is newer and is just comparing default to high quality which is what this post is about. If you can't bother to watch the video don't post.
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That was already been pointed out and posted, it was in the other thread, and we did discuss that. That is how we knew he was setting it incorrect before.
 
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DracoNB said:
Here are tests by another person verifying that the quality is reduced when using default drivers:
http://3.1m.yt/bvOSUNPr1.jpg
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That's not another person, that is the same person 'Greg' who posted the video... So far all reports of this issue were being sourced from that single user. You can see that same image sourced from 'Greg' linked in the other thread here:
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041709168&postcount=84


Here are tests by someone at Anandtech showing that Greg's screenshot is not the defaults at all, but rather the result of forcing AF disabled in NVCPL, as well as numerous others showing there is no insane distance blurring at defaults:

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NVCPL AF Disabled:
http://i.imgur.com/AzXx68s.jpg
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37533415&postcount=80

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NVCPL Defaults:
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1920x1080q90/909/lM8AKU.png
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37533331&postcount=62

http://i.imgur.com/Q2P1KWp.jpg
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37533404&postcount=74

http://i.imgur.com/VfyE8Jk.jpg
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37533420&postcount=83

http://abload.de/img/bf4_2015_07_04_10_01_lho2o.png
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37533433&postcount=91

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NVCPL High Quality:
http://i.imgur.com/KVWfW4I.jpg
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37533404&postcount=74

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It seriously feels like AMD users are intentionally spreading FUD based on this single user's images, which nobody can seem to reproduce. The mysterty here is if 'Greg' is experiencing a serious case of pebkac, or if he's triggered some kind of bug.
 
pandora's box said:
Which is funny because I think this whole thing was to throw NVidia cards under bad light. Just ended up putting another mark against the Fury X.


I do think that most of us enthusiasts run the driver control panel (be it NVidia or AMD) at "Max Quality" settings. And I do think that reviewers should also be doing this too. After all isn't this an enthusiast website where the reviews push the cards to max playable settings? Surely that should include settings in the drivers too.
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Well most times drivers "optimized" for games look to cheat IQ i think both nvidia and amd both include to run certain global optimizations that reduce IQ on their default driver settings which you can change though the control panels. I think the move was the boost fps for reviews given may reviewers use defaults if i'm jaded enough about it.
 
Cyberbeing said:
It seriously feels like AMD users are intentionally spreading FUD based on this single user's images, which nobody can seem to reproduce. The mysterty here is if 'Greg' is experiencing a serious case of pebkac, or if he's triggered some kind of bug.
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Naw it's not a bug that's just what happens to textures when you disable AF forcefully, But yeah case of pebkac.
 
You are right, someone else had posted them so I thought it was another user. I was asking for people to verify if this was happening or not, specifically [H] reviewers since they have done it in the past when testing AA levels and such and done a great job comparing them.

I was trying to avoid any Fury talk and focus solely on Nvidia hardware, ironically it was the Nvidia fanboys who brought up the Fury and posted an older video that compares the (lower quality) Titan to the (higher quality) Fury instead of commenting on the Titan low quality vs Titan high quality (matching Fury) I originally posted.

My card is a 500 series so I don't know if it would be valid to compare it or if it was a 900 series issue or not, so thats why I wanted other people to test it and post back.
 
well drivers are different from the 500 to the 900, even the 700 to 900 they are different, different architectures.

I seriously doubt either of the IHV's would ever pull an IQ degradation for performance stunt again, its too easy to catch and once it does it just puts a black eye on them that takes years to go away.

Come on, people have posted stuff up from the FX days, we all knew that nV was down grading from FP 16, to int 8 with those cards, it saved them like 5% performance, for the fx cards that 5% was huge.

They said it was a driver bug, miraculously after the 6x00 series was released that bug disappeared with in one driver version, and the fx series was rendering at fp 16 again.
 
More FUD and lies from AMD shills. When you can't beat an opponent straight up, try to make up stories and cook up
Lies by paying people on YouTube ;)

When I used to play with Mantle I noticed quite a it of IQ decrease. Colors seemed dull and I didn't like what I was seeing.

Maybe Microsoft does some color vibrancy magic with DX which was missing in Mantle.
 
I just tried Battlefield hardline at both quality and high quality. There was virtually no difference since AF was forced in game at 16x. Also the image looked nowhere like the one shown as nvidia quality.

Also last time AF caused a game to take a massive hit was in 2007 lol.

Horse shit is horse shit.
 
madgun said:
More FUD and lies from AMD shills. When you can't beat an opponent straight up, try to make up stories and cook up
Lies by paying people on YouTube ;)

When I used to play with Mantle I noticed quite a it of IQ decrease. Colors seemed dull and I didn't like what I was seeing.

Maybe Microsoft does some color vibrancy magic with DX which was missing in Mantle.
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Pot calling the kettle black ....
 
KickAssCop said:
I just tried Battlefield hardline at both quality and high quality. There was virtually no difference since AF was forced in game at 16x. Also the image looked nowhere like the one shown as nvidia quality.

Also last time AF caused a game to take a massive hit was in 2007 lol.

Horse shit is horse shit.
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Well put.. AMD fan boys have been having sleepless nights since FuryX launch. Maybe they'll concoct something else in the upcoming days and weeks.
 
"Use my preferences emphasizing quality" in the control panel is a profile that forces things on like AA and AF, overriding in-game settings and resulting in the loss of framerate. Never minding the fact as already pointed out that AF has to be forced off to get that potato quality. This is really disingenuous. The only people who this will fool are people who have never used an NVIDIA card before.
 
I have yet to see incontrovertible proof either way yet. I still plan to check my AMD card to see what may or may not be happening at driver default. This whole thing just brings up concern, justifiably so, as most every review only uses driver default. Doesn't really concern me for buying purposes personally because I look at my cards stats and consider the next like going from 6 cylinder to 8. But it would be nice to KNOW that the results in the reviews ARE 100% accurate fact.

This doesn't have to be a witch hunt. Nor does it need flaming. Just a healthy dose of honesty and sincere interest.
 
Thats why I'm asking people to test. Some people are stating in the thread that he is focing AA while forcing AF while others are saying that AF is on by default anyway.

I'm asking people to see if its on or not at default, and was hoping that [H] reviewers could check since they have done good coverage of IQ in the past.
 
DracoNB said:
Thats why I'm asking people to test. Some people are stating in the thread that he is focing AA while forcing AF while others are saying that AF is on by default anyway.

I'm asking people to see if its on or not at default, and was hoping that [H] reviewers could check since they have done good coverage of IQ in the past.
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Got me curious about my AMD 290 now.
 
This whole "controversy" just shows how pathetic AMD shills and fanboys have become. The fury x got soundly beat by nvidia so now they resort to making up lies about image quality differences.
 
DracoNB said:
Not sure how that could alter how the AF looked in the game.

His new videos show a nice comparison of the Fury vs OCed Titan though.
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Unfortunately, I don't have a multi monitor setup to really test this on NVCP or enough experience using NVCP, if someone here who has multi monitor setup or have good knowledge how NVCP works that can chime in, it will be great.

At least we know, it is just a case of pebkac.
 
The only ones talking about AMD here are the Nvidia "shills" since they love that word. He noticed IQ differences and also a fix for them in the nvidia control panel.

I posted it here so people could help investigate the issue, my nvidia card is a 500 series so would be invalid to use if it was an issue with 900 only.
 
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