BF2142 Update

[David Webb]

Way to cherry-pick the facts.

I cannot reason with the unreasonable.

Cherry-picked? You mean like how you selected a few games that you thought *didn't* contain bugs, and tried using those to prop up your opinion? That's not cherry-picking kiddo... that's called trying to make a point, which is what I did, too. I'm sorry that I shot your little Madden theory out of the water, though. As for C&C, go try to convince someone who's played it for any length of time that it doesn't have the same bugs today that it had years ago when it was released.

That said, I try to concentrate my discussion regarding EA on the games I've played, and the majority of the games I've played that were published by EA have had problems... CRITICAL problems. That's not cherry-picking; that's just conveying my personal experiences. If you can't tell the difference, I'm sorry.

Now, fortunately, I have a blast playing games by plenty of other publishers, and the number of bugs in their releases pale in comparison to EA's, and when there are bugs, they're usually quite minor and fixed rather quickly. My expectations aren't unreasonable, and I think that's proven by the fact that I've never felt "robbed" by the likes of Raven, Relic, Valve, Epic, DE, UbiSoft (though they've had some close calls with certain titles), etc.

 

[WhyYouLoveMe]

You weren't around for the beginning of Steam, I guess. That's ok. Experience can only be experienced.

I was trying to keep opinions out of the discussion because everyone is entitled to their own and you can't really debate opinions. The fact is the vast majority of EA's titles are as bug-free as any other publisher's. BF2 is certainly the extreme exception and that game was developed by Dice anyway. Dice received so little criticism early on in BF2 compared to EA and that, to me, seemed misplaced. Since the acquisition of Dice we can now punt the criticism back over to EA because they're solely responsible.

*alert - opinion coming*

It seems sadly obvious that the hatred toward EA is a direct copy of the hatred towards the likes of Wal-Mart, Microsoft, Coca-Cola, Intel and almost any other giant, mega-corporation. Success breeds hatred. Their mistakes are magnified, their success perceived ill-gotten and efforts to better their performance ignored.

But that's not a fact, "kiddo", just an opinion.

 

[David Webb]

You weren't around for the beginning of Steam, I guess.

I was around for it. I was also around for it when it was fixed. Most problems I can tolerate. However, I expect them to be rectified.

The fact is the vast majority of EA's titles are as bug-free as any other publisher's.

I strongly disagree, but I'll leave it at that.

BF2 is certainly the extreme exception and that game was developed by Dice anyway. Dice received so little criticism early on in BF2 compared to EA and that, to me, seemed misplaced. Since the acquisition of Dice we can now punt the criticism back over to EA because they're solely responsible.

Personally, I've leveled criticism at both. However, there has been lop-sided on EA, but I suspect it's because most people are of the opinion that BF2 would have been in much better shape had DICE not be pressured into releasing it when they did. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that logic, but that's why.

It seems sadly obvious that the hatred toward EA is a direct copy of the hatred towards the likes of Wal-Mart, Microsoft, Coca-Cola, Intel and almost any other giant, mega-corporation. Success breeds hatred. Their mistakes are magnified, their success perceived ill-gotten and efforts to better their performance ignored.

I have no problem with the aforementioned companies. I have no problem with corporations making money. Heck, I'm a Microsoft partner. Success breeds hatred? I'm a HUGE fan of Epic games and they've been extremely successful. Why would I want EA to fail when I buy one of their games? I could care less about EA as a company as long as I don't walk away feeling like I just paid someone $50 to bend me over the counter. I don't care how big they get as long as they don't forget about the quality aspect of software development.

 

[WhyYouLoveMe]

Fair 'nuff.

I've never had major problems with EA's games and you have.

So can I expect to be behind you in line to pick up BF2142? I kid, I kid...

 

[Jap1987]

The only problem I had with the 2142 beta was how weak all the weapons were, but now that they decreased body armor absorbtion it should be fine.

 

[gurgle]

more like bf 2.142 amirite?

 

[David Webb]

Fair 'nuff.

I've never had major problems with EA's games and you have.

So can I expect to be behind you in line to pick up BF2142? I kid, I kid...

LOL

I won't pick it up on the day of release like I did with BF2, but if the general response to the game is positive, then I'll buy it. I think BF2's gameplay is a BLAST. If they can score again with 2142's gameplay and release it in a more stable condition, I'll be all over it.

 

[WhyYouLoveMe]

LOL

I won't pick it up on the day of release like I did with BF2, but if the general response to the game is positive, then I'll buy it. I think BF2's gameplay is a BLAST. If they can score again with 2142's gameplay and release it in a more stable condition, I'll be all over it.

Hold up - You sound like you like BF2 and are even open to the possibility that 2142 *could* be good. So... EA is good enough to have your money?

 

[David Webb]

Hold up - You sound like you like BF2 and are even open to the possibility that 2142 *could* be good. So... EA is good enough to have your money?

I've always maintained - when it was relevant - that I LOVED Battlefield 2's gameplay. I've never disputed that. I know it's not everyone's taste, but it's EXACTLY the kind of game I want to play.

However, that doesn't excuse EA/DICE from having to adequately test it prior to release. IF 2142 has the gameplay AND IF 2142 is stable and its bugs are few and non-critical, then yes, I will buy it.

Under any other circumstances, however, then no.

 

[WhyYouLoveMe]

I could care less about EA as a company as long as I don't walk away feeling like I just paid someone $50 to bend me over the counter.

This gave me the impression you didn't think BF2 was a good $50 investment.

 

[David Webb]

This gave me the impression you didn't think BF2 was a good $50 investment.

I don't think it was a good $50 investment. In its release state, it would have been a poor $5 investment. It was a pain in the ass to play. It can have all the gameplay in the world, but if the frustrations outweigh it, then it was a waste of my money.

 

[drizzt81]

I am sure that all of you will tell me how well RC1 (coming to store shelves soon) will play.

 

[WhyYouLoveMe]

I don't think it was a good $50 investment. In its release state, it would have been a poor $5 investment. It was a pain in the ass to play. It can have all the gameplay in the world, but if the frustrations outweigh it, then it was a waste of my money.

So you love BF2 but you think it's a waste of money?

 

[David Webb]

So you love BF2 but you think it's a waste of money?

Yeah... not sure why that's so shocking though. It all boils down to:

- GOOD gameplay
- BAD bugs

It's like having a ton of money sitting in a vault for which you don't know the combination. If you can't get to the money, it does you no good.

 

[WhyYouLoveMe]

Yeah... not sure why that's so shocking though. It all boils down to:

- GOOD gameplay
- BAD bugs

It's like having a ton of money sitting in a vault for which you don't know the combination. If you can't get to the money, it does you no good.

Oh, so you don't play BF2 at all? When did you stop playing it? Or a better question... What was the last patch you played on?

 

[Celeryman]

I hate that some of you have had to endure these bugs in BF2, but I haven't experienced most of them. I will probably end up buying 2142, even though I think they could have easily released most of what this game is as a payed mod to BF2.

I just started playing BF2 again after a 3-4 month break. I love it to this day, and it will probably go down in my book as the greatest game ever despite it quirks.

Hope to see at least a few of you on the battlefield! It won't be fun without somebody to pwn!

 

[MetalX]

You also have to look at other EA titles: The entire Sims series, the Madden series, the NBA Live series and a bunch of other EA games. These titles are quite bug free.

I wouldn't go that far...

 

[kuyaglen]

The only issue I've had with BF2 was ctd when restarting the game. Solved when I disabled all copy protection on Daemon tools. I played the fuck out of it, and still do.

 

[fazzman]

heh BF2 wasnt that bad, I never had one issue with it until 1.3 patch and so I stopped playing till 1.4 came out, i reinstalled the game with the 1.4 patch and its good as new, yes there are a few bugs but big whoop its a fun game. And now my clan is getting into bf2142 so looks like ill be getting it as well. Althou Im really eager to play ET:QW I guess this will be the game I play until then.

 

[Conano]

Only problem i have with Software companies like EA, Dice, SOE Ect, is they have BETA's. Are not these beta tests supposed to be to locate, report, and repair bugs? If so why are the games usually always released with bugs. not just little bugs here and there, but Bugs that are big hassels, that cause players large amounts of frustration.

Hello, they are called Beta Tests for a reason. Dont release the game till its actually fixed. I mean 3 or 4 patches later and people can still use the building bugs.

And yeah i got issues with Wal-Mart, they come into a town and squash out all the litle mom and pop stores with their corpritizing of america BS. That and their screwing over their employees. Sam Walton would roll over in his grave if he knew what BS they were pulling right now. Bu tthats a whole diff subject.