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BF 6800Ultra Doom 3 issue

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Syphon Filter

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ok now I am a bit concerned.

My machine is as listed in the Sig below...except with a BFG 6800Ultra in it. Doom 3 is choppy as hell...i dont get what the issue is....frame rates are totally unacceptable (read unplayable) at 1280x1024 with 2x AA...

I am using the 62.20 beta drivers. Anyone else had any issues like this?
 
Ummm... what setting are you using?...Is it on High Quality or Ultra? Avoid using Ultra and at that res try diabling AA. I have a very similar system and I average 50fps on the last timedemo.
 
first thing...

I'd ditch the beta drivers. you're technically using experimental drivers while trying to run such a high demanding game like D3.
 
well i'm off the 62.20's and that has made no difference...

I dont get what the issue is. At low res and low details its fine.

Surely with my systems 1280x1024 at 4x AA is possible?
 
Could be the whole thing Carmack mentioned with oc'ed hardware not playing nice with D3. Try all your shit at stock and see how it runs.
 
you should easily be able to run that game at 1600 X 1200 at high quality.

ummm, is all of your DirectX stuff up to date?
 
i am also running a bfg ultra with the .77 driver.
its all good. i think it is a software / driver issue that causes choppiness..
 
right i think i am going to do a complete reinstall of my system when i get home from work (i was at home on my lunch break when i initially posted)...

So if its a driver issue/conflict then hopefully it will be fixed by this...(this is assuming that Driver Cleaner missed something etc)...

I am going to do this:

1.) Format C:\
2.) Allocate the whole thing as one partition
3.) Install XP with SP1
4.) Once in windows I will install all the intel/abit drivers for the mobo and chipset
5.) Run windows update to get all available updates (except crap like Journal Viewer)
6.) Install Dx9.0c
7.) Install 61.77 drivers
8.) Install all other drivers (NIC, sound, TV card etc)
9.) Install whatever whatever else.

Does that sound like a plan to you guys?
 
You forgot dinner somewhere in there. You gotta eat!!! :p
 
i have cold pizza and coke (the drinking kind).

Is there anything I should try before i do this?

Its a bit extreme so i would rather not have to do it...but do you think that this will most likely solve all my issues...
 
I would say that 99% of the problems people are having with the 6800 cards can be solved by a reformat - that makes sense since just about everyone who is having problems is migrating from a 9700/9800 pro. Good luck
 
when you did the switch between cards.. did you do a driver cleaner run?

Also Did you get DX 9.0C? Im running 61.80's and they are great for me. despite the fact that im on a 6800GT but still.

get them at GURU3d.com
 
i did the switch yesterday and yes i did use driver cleaner.

I uninstalled the ATi drivers from windows. Then went to safe mode and ran driver cleaner. I then shut down the machine and put the new card in and installed the 61.77's.

Since then i tried the 62.20s.

Are the 61.80's much different to the 61.77s? I did install dx9.0c.

jhtevans:

thanks for the "luck" I hope the reinstall fixes it
 
i still think that a total reformat is unncessesary.

Im totally stumped on your performance "flat" as i would call it.

Maybe there is some power issue? mobo issue? List your system specs.

My 6800 GT is in my shuttle XPC with a 250 watt PSU and its kicking ass.
 
Ok

CPU: 2.8Ghz P4 800FSB (its running stock now) Water cooled
Mobo: Abit IC7-Max3
PSU: 550W Antec Truepower
GFX: BFG 6800 Ultra OC (out of the box)
RAM: 2x 512MB Corsair PC4000
HDD: 80gig Maxtor 8MB Cache 160gig Maxtor 8MB Cache (both SATA)
CD/DVD: Creative 12x DVD drive, Memorex 16x CDRW

Thats my system. The PSU is good and solid, I had no problems at all ever with my 9800XT before i got my 6800Ultra. I am convinced this is a driver/file conflict or something. If you have seen my other thread i experienced some choppiness in Far Cry too but i think that has gone now. Also in UT2k4 i couldnt run at 1600x1200@75Hz. At 60Hz it was fine. Anything higher and it freaked out. But then it started working at 75Hz. I dunno what the score is with that. There is definitely something wrong from a software stand point I am convinced this isnt a hardware problem (for the time being).
 
First, try disabling Fast Writes in the BIOS if you haven't already. There have been plenty of people reporting choppiness with the 6800 cards, and disabling Fast Writes fixes it almost every time.

Syphon Filter said:
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4.) Once in windows I will install all the intel/abit drivers for the mobo and chipset
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I've also read a few posts about people having problems with the D865PE Intel chipset and the 6800 cards. I'm not sure what chipset you have though. It seems there is a beta chipset drirver that fixes this. I don't have this chipset, so use at your own risk:
http://www.station-drivers.com/telechargement/intel/intel inf 6.1.0.1008.exe

I got this link a couple weeks ago, so it could be that intel has an updated chipset driver on their page.
 
Do the driver cleaner thing, uninstall all old drivers (both ati and nvidia) and reinstall fresh nvidia drivers. So a virus scan, defrag the hard disk, and double check your pagefile settings. (I like to set mine to non changing, 3X installed memroy)

stop all unncessary programs. check your program list, your task bar, and regedit hkeylocal\software\micorsoft\windows\currentversion\run
 
Something of a long shot and sorry if it turns out to be completely off the mark, but I recently had a problem with running Enemy Territory on my GF3 Ti500 and was getting frames down as low as a dozen per second, irrespective of the resolution (after I'd rebuilt/reinstalled). After posting on the ET forum, I got the answer which was to disable VSynch in the NVidia software.

It worked a treat and it's now back to as it was before.
 
cpu temps
video card temps

thats pretty overclocked for a pentium.... i wouldnt be suprised if maybe your processor isnt holding out...

get back with temps
 
Syphon Filter said:
I am going to do this:

1.) Format C:\
2.) Allocate the whole thing as one partition
3.) Install XP with SP1
4.) Once in windows I will install all the intel/abit drivers for the mobo and chipset
5.) Run windows update to get all available updates (except crap like Journal Viewer)
6.) Install Dx9.0c
7.) Install 61.77 drivers
8.) Install all other drivers (NIC, sound, TV card etc)
9.) Install whatever whatever else.

Does that sound like a plan to you guys?
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Good plan
 
This is strange - I'm getting exactly the same thing!

I've got a BFG Tech 6800GT OC @ 420/1.1 (ran 3dmark 2k3 loop for 8 hours with no crash - so it's stable). Here's the rest of my system:

3400+ Athlon64 (stock speed)
1gb Corsair PC3200 (2x512 TwinX)
BFG Tech 6800GT OC @ 420/1.1 stable
nForce3 150 chipset (Shuttle SN85G4V2)
74Gb WD Raptor 10k SATA

It gets 12,500 2k3 3dmarks and I have just formatted C:\ and reinstalled WinXP SP1.
Using 61.77 forceware drivers and 4.24 nForce chipset drivers.

Other games seem to run fine - definately a standard 2k3 3dmark score so it looks like software/drivers/bios setting that's causing the issue.

Here it is, I booted up Doom3 with my new card installed, straight to 1600x1200 (after seeing the HardOCP article - it said I could run at 55fps at this res) with 0xFSAA on High Quality - the intro ran at 3 fps!
I immedietly quit and started the game on 1280x1024 at 0xFSAA on High quality - again the intro ran at 3fps!
Concerned I wanted to see if I could run doom3 at all
I then tried 1024x768 @ 0xFSAA High Quality and it ran perfectly, FPS dropping to ~40ish on the intro and walking about at the start.
From then on, I slowly raised the FSAA setting, starting at 2xFSAA (10x7 high qual) - which again ran PERFECTLY, FPS dropping to ~40ish.
Then I tried 4xFSAA (10x7 high qual) which is where I hit problems again - 3fps on the intro with no sign of speeding up.

Just as a side note, I have tried running doom3 with my 6800GT at STOCK speeds (370/1.0) but with the same result - one huge FPS drop between 2x and 4xFSAA @ 1024x768 at high quality.
I'm playing other games fine, although maybe they are slower than they should be and I just havent noticed?

Not sure what to try next - I've disabled FastWrites in the bios - is there anything else I need to do ?

Thanks,

James

EDIT: running DirectX 9.0c plus all freshly downloaded WinXP updates from windowsupdate.
 
You shouldn't have any problems running this, I can't comment on the reformat, as I've never swapped from ati to nvidia or back without a format. That might be a good idea, but should be a last resort. I currently play at 1280x1024, no aa, no aniso, at High Quality and get 30-40fps avg (ingame). I played with 4x aa, 8x aniso, for a while at about 12-15fps, but after cutting it off I honestly didn't notice the image quality difference, this is a much better game at a solid 30-40fps than it is "pretty" at 12-15.

You've probably already seen the // seta image_cacheMegs "xx" //
tweak. If you haven't, you should try it, go to \Doom 3\base\DoomConfig.cfg and find that line "seta image_cacheMegs", it's been argued both ways, but whatever. If you wanna try it, great, if not, hey, that's your call, I set mine to 256. It seems to work fine.

As far as D3 having trouble with O/C hardware. Uhm. No? I play rock solid all day long.
 
oh f*cking balls...

if it is the dual view thing then thats it...

but i have just reinstalled....gonna continue with the reinstall. Will report back once i have the system up and sorted.
 
ahahaha, well that sux, but at least you'll have a nice clean install of windows when you're done.
 
what about disable fast writes? I tried it myself and my whole deskstop shifted to the right and i can only see like a tiny slim piece of it |_| this much or so.
 
Syphon Filter said:
well the reinstall has fixed it...runs like silk at 1600x1200 with high settings and AA.
Click to expand...

Good to hear, I kinda hate coming into these threads after something has already been resolved but still......I'm glad to hear it.
 
cheers dude...yeah its all slick and cool now...

It actually solved a couple of issues i had since i did the change...i had a feeling that driver cleaner missed something.
 
i do have one last question.

On a system with the 6800U, 61.77 and directX9.0c which far cry patch should i install? 1.1 or 1.2?
 
I use the 1.2 patch. It seems to have solved alot of the graphical glitches with Nvidia cards. Also you can enable SM3.0. It gives a minor fps boost without sacrificing quality. ;)
 
hey dude...i just installed the 1.2 patch and have IQ issues. I have screenies but no hosting.

Its textures looking blocking in some sections but fine in others....like for example of hill/cliff sides and things...

and then as you move the affected area changes....its very weird....
 
i have already done the reinstall and all that...i now have the issues you can see above in Far Cry.
 
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