Best HDTV 32"-40"!!!!

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  1. Sherloc

    Sherloc Gawd

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    Hey guys i've recently decided on purchasing another HDTV and was looking around at all the different models and companies. I've come to the conclusion that i definately want a 120Hz+ HDTV. The models i've been looking at are the Sony Bravia 40XBR9 and the Samsung UN32B6000. If you guys have any recommendations it would be much appreciated. : D
     
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    Are you looking for a plasma or LCD?
     
  3. Sherloc

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    LCD definately...
     
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    Well then here's my recommendation : LG 42" 42LG70



    Great price for a very good LCD with all the features you could want :)
     
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    I'd look at getting one of the new Panasonic neo-plasma models...

    (A plasma, for example, would have far better viewing angles than either of the sets you mention....)
     
  6. Sherloc

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    Thats a good deal on the LG but again the title thread says 32-40" and i believe the samsung and sony models i listed are far better in pq.
     
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    Far better in picture quality? As in worth almost double the price of the LG?

    And I apologize that the 42" was outside of your requirements. I think that 32" Samsung would be a waste IMO unless this is a secondary tv or you are sitting 4-6 feet away from it.
     
  8. nobody_here

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    seriously...if you could get a 42" instead of a 32-40" you would turn it down? LOL
     
  9. Sherloc

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    I do sit 4-6 feet from it. It's primary usage will be as a computer monitor, but i also have it hooked to my PS3 for Blu-ray. So the smaller the screen size the less the pixel pitch is (space between the pixels) which i will notice much more then others as i am a videophile. With screen size it is the opposite as most people believe the size does matter but it's smaller thats better because the picture is less spaced.... ~2 million pixels look much better on a smaller area vs stretched apart to fit a larger screen... But seriously does anyone have any recommendations that fit into the 40 or under category?
     
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    You do know that the 120Hz TVs are not the same as a 120Hz monitor, right? The TVs use some "trickery" to achieve the 120Hz, they don't actually refresh that fast so you won't be able to run them at 120 off a computer.
     
  11. nobody_here

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    i can tell you the 240Hz tv's are very nice, noticeably better than a 120Hz
     
  12. SH1

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    40 inches is on the small side for 6 feet away and 1080P...

    http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

    Hope you're basing this constraint on cost or some kind of limited cabinet space or what have you and not on being able to see the pixel structure....
     
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    Among the several I tried, one was the Samsung LNT4081F. I found it too bright for my primary use as a PC monitor...

    However, as the only released locally dimmed LED backed set at 40 inches I've heard of, still might be the most impressive for Blu-Rays at that size...

    Only solution so far that addresses the dynamic range deficit that LCDs have compared to CRT and the best plasmas without compromising the bright elements in an otherwise darker scene....
     
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    Thanks for the input. Ye, the Samsung UN32B6000 i'm looking at is 3,000,000:1 Dynamic contrast ratio, LED backlight, 120hz. The Sony KDL-40XBR9 has 240hz and 100,000:1 Dynamic contrast but is fluorescent backlight.
     
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    Back in early 2008, having tried several, I went with the LNT4065F. If I were buying today for my PC usage though I definitely would take a hard look at the B6000...
     
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    The better viewing angle argument on plasma vs LCD simply isnt true any more. Many of the leading plasmas offer viewing angles of just 175°(H) / 175°(V) (brands like panasonic and samsung). However, the majority modern LCDs offer superior viewing angles than the plasmas with the majority utilizing viewing angles of 178°(H) / 178°(V) (samsung, sharp, sony, lg,). However plasmas still offer far better contrast ratios compared to regular LCDs. So no, a plasma would not offer better viewing angles than either of those sets.
     
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    Plasma viewing angles are far superior to the viewing angles of most LCD TVs.

    Some of the best LCDs (e.g., LED backed.) are so restricted that anyone not sitting directly in front them will suffer reduced picture quality.

    When manufacturers quote viewing angles, LCD vs. Plasma, they are not really apples to apples comparisons. (Check out some of the reviews on CNET, for example, for further discussion of LCD viewing angle issues...)

    For my use as a PC monitor, where I am sitting directly in front of it, viewing angle is not that big of a deal though...
     
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    I think i found a really nice pick. The Samsung LN40B750 is promising. CNET gave it superior reviews over even most LED LCD's and it's in a decent pricing bracket.

    Quick Specs: 1080p, 150,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio, Flourescent Backlight, 240hz/24p.

    Interesting Reviewer Quote: "Uniformity: The screen of the LNB750 is more uniform across its surface than many LCDs we've tested, including the Samsung 7000, the Toshiba, and the Sony XBR9. It didn't suffer from overtly brighter corners as the 7000 and the XBR9 did, although in flat field test patterns we did notice the edges of the LNB750's screen appeared slightly brighter than the middle."

    http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-ln40b750/4505-6482_7-33490657.html?tag=mncol;lst
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only trickery being done is making 24 fps content appear in 120hz. Have you tried connecting one to a computer and not been able to set it to 120hz?
     
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    The 120hz on HDTV's interpolate an extra frame or in this case (240hz) 3 frames between the two frames given by the video content. The processor analyzes the first and second images and then interpolates 3 images between the two that smooth out the transition between the two original frames. The processing that occures can cause some input lag and would be best to use the Game mode when using it as a computer monitor which in effect will render it a 60hz monitor. Still the color uniformity of the LN40B750 and deep black levels that are reportedly better than samsungs own 7000 line and sony's XBR9 line will create an awesome pc experience (tho maybe not as impressive as a 30" 1600p monitor at close distance).
     
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    I love how people quote and compare manufacturer provided dynamic contrast ratios like they're real numbers.
     
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    What he said.
     
  23. needmorecarnitine

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    under what conditions? if 24fps is exactly one fifth of 120Hz, why use interpolation?
     
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    To watch Adrian Peterson at more than 29.97fps (or if you're a weirdo, to watch Jason Bourne at more than 24fps.)
     
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    Only caveat is that once the flourescent backlighting breaks in, uniformity may be less than when brand new.

    At least that's what happened to me with the LNT4065. Backlighting uniformity was almost perfect originally, but after a few weeks, one side became a bit brighter than the other. At that point I got a replacement panel under warranty, and the replacement did the exact same thing...

    That said, this only seems to occur at the lowest backlight settings. But those are the settings I use for my PC use...

    I've accepted it, especially after hearing this is kind of typical with LCDs, but I do wonder if the LEDs have a similar break in period, or whether you know what you'd be getting more up front in this regard...
     
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    Well you could go for the XBR8's and the A950's if you want best image quality on a LCD today, Cnet has some very comprehensive reviews of both. I may purchase one if the price drops within reason this holiday season. If not the B750 is said to be better than the rest of sony and samsung's edge lit lcd panels (B/A7000/8000).
     
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    Again, because the actual screen refresh rate is not 120Hz - it is advertised as 120 (or 240) but it is still a physical 60Hz panel.
     
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    It's a 120 Hz panel. But, alas, only a 60Hz input on the TV using it...

    (It's a great multiple for showing movies as well. However, I believe 120 Hz processing is primarily a technique to increase motion resolution on an LCD. See "sample and hold effect" and approaches to reduce it...)
     
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    Would make very nice displays no doubt. Too big for me though, unfortunately, with my desk furniture situation...
     
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    Ye i hear yah. I am hoping the prices drop on the XBR8's but 46" is the lowest they go so I may just go with the B750 neway as it's better then the XBR9's and other edge lit lcd's *says cnet*.
     
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    are you talking about a specific model or any LCD tv that is claiming 120Hz?
     
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    The list of true 120Hz LCD TVs is very short. I don't know them, but there's only a handful. It's easier to assume that if it says 120Hz that it doubles the 60Hz frames instead of accepting true 120Hz input.
     
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    love??

    I find it either hilarious or depressing...

    just like that guy who actually believed in those specified viewing angles :D

    he even tried comparing them LOL

    when will people ever learn that all monitor / tv specs are bullshit
     
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    Most TV's claiming 120Hz do run the display at 120Hz, but they only accept 24Hz or 60Hz input. I haven't read a review of TV that accepts 120Hz input.

    The main advantage for 120Hz sets is playing Blu Rays which are mostly 24fps (Hz). 24 *5 = 120, so you get no additional juddering watching movies on 120Hz set. On 60Hz set 24 fps gives uneven timing to frames, show one frame 3 times (48ms), the next 2 times (32ms).

    Honestly I have no idea how a big a deal this 3:2 pulldown juddering is. I have a 60Hz TV and movies don't look any worse for juddering than they do in the Cinema.

    IMO it's 24fps itself that sucks, its archaic, it cause jerky panning as is, we need to jump that to at least 48fps like some IMAX films. Much more lifelike, no jerky panning.
     
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    Thank you for saying it much better than I could. I was under the impression that one or two Samsung models accepted 120Hz input.
     
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    So i went and looked at the TV's today at best buy and the one that caught my eye was the 46Z5100 by sony. The thing is though that i believe sony sponsors much of the HDTV section with their blu-ray stuff and no other display was playing blu-ray material.... I wish Cnet would get off there butts and review this tv in comparison to the ln40b750.
     
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    Top current contender for value and picture quality for PC use Console use and Blu-ray playback is the Samsung LN40B750. If i wanna go LED tech then it's XBR8's or A950's. Restating what i've been saying over and over to keep everyone up to date on my search progress...
     
  38. needmorecarnitine

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    I agree with SH1 in that you should consider a current Panasonic Neo-PDP

    42" is the smallest but the optimal viewing distance for that is 5 feet according to various "videophile" sites. You say you want the best picture quality yet you immediately rule out plasma.
     
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    Plasmas are way outta the budget for reason... I know the best plasmas have better pq but as cnet says some of the Samsung and Sony dimming LED LCD's are just as good as the best plasmas they test.
     
  40. needmorecarnitine

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    What are you talking about?

    Plasmas are some of the best deals out there. Panasonic's TC-P42G15 is what you should be looking at. I see it for $947 w free shipping at this place:

    http://www.us-appliance.com/tcp42g10.html?productid=tcp42g10&channelid=FROOG

    Your beloved cnet doesn't have a review on it yet. Check out other sites like avsforum. Definitely going to be a top contender for best bang for the buck tv of 2009.