Best 30 inch LCD?

I'll give you a few off the top of my head. Extremetech gave the XHD3000 an 8 and gave the 3008WFP a 6. Trusted reviews preferred the Samsung 350T over the 3007WFP-HC, saying this "What’s surprising is how much better the colour accuracy on the Samsung 305T was, considering that the Samsung uses an S-PVA panel, rather than an S-IPS like this Dell. Clearly the Samsung was properly calibrated at the factory, but it still shows that Samsung’s S-PVA technology is getting better all the time. It’s also not as if the viewing angle is better on the Dell, with both screens providing excessively acute viewing angles with little or no colour or intensity drop off." PC World ranked the 305T over the 3007WFP-HC, and the HP LP3065. PC Mag ranked them XHD3000, 305T, 3007WFP

As I said, I read a ton of reviews, and I know I left some out, but that is still quite a list. Either they are all wrong, or it is more complicated than IPS beats PVA.
 
No I like the 305T and XHD3000 a whole lot and I definitely agree that it's not nearly as simple as S-PVA < S-IPS and it's not. But what Dan is trying to say is that from a pure panel perspective without scalers and the like, S-IPS is better except for response time and contrast ratio. But once a manufacturer implements that panel into a full monitor it's a crapshot to what panel comes out on top. It should be S-IPS but it may be badly implemented and the S-PVA panel may be brilliantly implemented therefore the better monitor is the PVA.
 
Dan_D said:
S-IPS doesn't have the best response time. This is also a known fact and it really is the single largest drawback of S-IPS technology. Still even the old LG panels like the one used in the Apple Cinema 30" and the Dell 3007WFP are fast enough for playing games and they do a decent job of handling video playback. At the time they were released they were the best monitors money could buy. Today they are still good, but obviously newer technology has eclipsed them in a number of categories. Picture quality is somewhat subjective, but what you are saying is possible. Also isn't the 275T a smaller monitor than the 30" Apple and Dell monitors?
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To be honest dan I sold my 30" in search of a better one. I didn't want a 3007WFP-HC since at the time it was 1800 cad and was around the time the 3008WFP-HC hype-mill was being made (Early december 07 on this foruM). I got sick and tired of waiting and I needed the best big monitor available regardless of available inputs, I ended up getting this 275T for the exact reason and I don't regret it man. I don't see any drawbacks thus far on this monitor, except that Component scaling sucks but I don't watch TV on this (just tried it).
 
S-PVA's and color accuracy is a joke. Even if you calibrate a S-PVA with a DeltaE (Delta error) less then one, the actual DeltaE from where you are sitting are too extreme. The calibrator doesn't take viewing angles into account and therefore you don't get an even picture. Its like having a permanent brightness bleed. If the reviewers don't spot this, I can't say I'm putting much into their judgement of PQ either.

Here's an IPS screen and a S-PVA screen:
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031371458&postcount=58

Here's the 3007WFP with same image (contributed by jupix at WSGF):

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@ 5 degrees
 
Viewing angles are not that important to me. I don't use my monitor from the side of my desk, I sit in front of it.
 
rinaldo00 said:
Viewing angles are not that important to me. I don't use my monitor from the side of my desk, I sit in front of it.
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Check the link. Image warps at center view as well. Thats the problem. Even if you sit dead center, colors are still warped. Thats why color accuracy and PVA shouldn't be used in the same sentense. They can't be accurate no matter how well you calibrate them. Its not a problem for most, since most don't need accuracy, but its important for those who do need it. Some can find it annoying though:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1257639
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1257216

Its a shame that reviewers don't test this. Especially those who test "color accuracy". That a screen is color accurate 2mm from the display is worthless to know if the colors are warped when light reaches your eyes due to bad angle spread of light. Image consistency is crucial when doing color critical tasks.

You like your screen and have found the screen suited for you. Nothing is wrong with that. Still, its important that facts are not clouded and the fact is that PVA's are not suited for color critical tasks.
 
I don't need color accuracy to a significant degree but I just find the color accuracy of some monitors so poor I can't stand it. Plus I won't tolerate input lag.
 
I found a new Huey color calibrator on eBay for $50. I'm going to try it on my 2407 and see what happens.
 
Viewing angles are even bigger issue for larger monitors as viewing angles of the edges become steeper. I don't understand how anyone can use anything but S-IPS for 30".
 
gwu168 said:
Viewing angles are even bigger issue for larger monitors as viewing angles of the edges become steeper. I don't understand how anyone can use anything but S-IPS for 30".
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IPS is a requirement on a 30" panel, when I saw the 305T in action I guestimated that 30-40% of the screen area had contrast shift. Do people really expect this to be acceptable for a high-end monitor?
 
kleox64 said:
IPS is a requirement on a 30" panel, when I saw the 305T in action I guestimated that 30-40% of the screen area had contrast shift. Do people really expect this to be acceptable for a high-end monitor?
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I guess all those reviews I posted above are all wrong.
 
rinaldo00 said:
I guess all those reviews I posted above are all wrong.
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I didnt say that.

The reviews dont consider the viewing angles, it does'nt matter either way the problem is there as its the single reason that PVA will never make it into the pro market.
 
kleox64 said:
I didnt say that.

The reviews dont consider the viewing angles, it does'nt matter either way the problem is there as its the single reason that PVA will never make it into the pro market.
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I guess you didn't see this

Trusted reviews preferred the Samsung 350T over the 3007WFP-HC, saying this "What’s surprising is how much better the colour accuracy on the Samsung 305T was, considering that the Samsung uses an S-PVA panel, rather than an S-IPS like this Dell. Clearly the Samsung was properly calibrated at the factory, but it still shows that Samsung’s S-PVA technology is getting better all the time. It’s also not as if the viewing angle is better on the Dell, with both screens providing excessively acute viewing angles with little or no colour or intensity drop off."

Perhaps PVA is no good for graphics professionals, but several websites think it is fine for consumer use.
 
My only real experience with *VA is with the 2405wfp. Its gamma shift at different angles was quite bad. When looking at this forum, each of my eyes saw the image with a different gamma, so it was annoying just to look at it from straight on. Dark colors disappeared when viewed straight on, and almost looked metallic.
Do newer *VA monitors have less of the gamma shift when looking perpendicular to the monitor?

Unless newer *VA monitors are significantly better, I don't see how any reviewer could rate the 3007 lower than a *va.
 
rinaldo00 said:
I guess you didn't see this

Trusted reviews preferred the Samsung 350T over the 3007WFP-HC, saying this "What’s surprising is how much better the colour accuracy on the Samsung 305T was, considering that the Samsung uses an S-PVA panel, rather than an S-IPS like this Dell. Clearly the Samsung was properly calibrated at the factory, but it still shows that Samsung’s S-PVA technology is getting better all the time. It’s also not as if the viewing angle is better on the Dell, with both screens providing excessively acute viewing angles with little or no colour or intensity drop off."

Perhaps PVA is no good for graphics professionals, but several websites think it is fine for consumer use.
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The review is wrong then or the panel was not PVA based, PVA and colour accuracy do not go together period... the viewing angles prevent that. Unless your breaking the laws of physics, the contrast shift and black crush are a side effect of the technology.

All those graphic artists and photographers who agree dont know what they are talking about do they?? give me a break, I'm not gona participate in an argument that has solid facts behind it. PVA is a flawed technology and I do not recommend it to anyone.
 
Yelnats said:
My only real experience with *VA is with the 2405wfp. Its gamma shift at different angles was quite bad. When looking at this forum, each of my eyes saw the image with a different gamma, so it was annoying just to look at it from straight on. Dark colors disappeared when viewed straight on, and almost looked metallic.
Do newer *VA monitors have less of the gamma shift when looking perpendicular to the monitor?

Unless newer *VA monitors are significantly better, I don't see how any reviewer could rate the 3007 lower than a *va.
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You think the 2405 was bad, add 6 inches to an allready bad screen!!!
 
kleox64 said:
The review is wrong then or the panel was not PVA based, PVA and colour accuracy do not go together period... the viewing angles prevent that. Unless your breaking the laws of physics, the contrast shift and black crush are a side effect of the technology.

All those graphic artists and photographers who agree dont know what they are talking about do they?? give me a break, I'm not gona participate in an argument that has solid facts behind it. PVA is a flawed technology and I do not recommend it to anyone.
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It is a fact that the 350T is a PVA panel. Let's end this by saying that what graphics professionals need and what consumers need are not the same thing.
 
The review is wrong then or the panel was not PVA based, PVA and colour accuracy do not go together period... the viewing angles prevent that. Unless your breaking the laws of physics, the contrast shift and black crush are a side effect of the technology.

All those graphic artists and photographers who agree dont know what they are talking about do they?? give me a break, I'm not gona participate in an argument that has solid facts behind it. PVA is a flawed technology and I do not recommend it to anyone.
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Those are apple/mac guys that would never buy other products.:p They sold their a*ss to Steve Jobs. They like those shiny products! Women type like:D All LCD monitors are the same for regular users. That does not mean that paying more you get more for one needs. Some products cost more just for the color! And stupid people pay for it. Good thing is their money or their mon:D
 
isai95 said:
Those are apple/mac guys that would never buy other products.:p They sold their a*ss to Steve Jobs. They like those shiny products! Women type like:D All LCD monitors are the same for regular users. That does not mean that paying more you get more for one needs. Some products cost more just for the color! And stupid people pay for it. Good thing is their money or their mon:D
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I dont use apple monitors, I dont recommend them even for mac users. They are too out of date and the fashion is to move to wide-gamut displays at the moment of which the cinema displays are not, also lack of HDCP.
 
kleox64 said:
I dont use apple monitors, I dont recommend them even for mac users. They are too out of date and the fashion is to move to wide-gamut displays at the moment of which the cinema displays are not, also lack of HDCP.
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Aren't there improved revisions of the ACD? I also read about new models possibly being released this year.
 
Hey this might be a bit off topic.- does anyone have a samsung 305t cd ? -- I dont have the cd and was curious where the driver or software was? - its nowhere to be found on the samsung site:(
 
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