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BEST 21" CRT

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Need it mainly for graphics but also for gaming. the reason i ask is i am still shaky about buying an lcd becuase i need somthing that has a sharp picture and good color depth. my first intention was to buy an LCD but after reading reviews about bad backlighting and sharpness i still don't know. however i will take your comments on an LCD that is in comparison. i just need to know what will be best for my money.
 
T@ngent said:
Need it mainly for graphics but also for gaming. the reason i ask is i am still shaky about buying an lcd becuase i need somthing that has a sharp picture and good color depth. my first intention was to buy an LCD but after reading reviews about bad backlighting and sharpness i still don't know. however i will take your comments on an LCD that is in comparison. i just need to know what will be best for my money.
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LCDs are getting much, much better. id highly recommend one.

as long as you get a good quality LCD, you will have great color depth and a sharp picture. what exactly is your budget? id recommend no more than a 19" LCD unless you get an Apple 20".
 
LCds can be as good as u wnat them to be but withing 5 years they will never compare to a CRT

The best currently that you can buy is the Mitsubishi 2070sb

dont get a lcd they suck no matter how much they cost or how low the refreshrate it

Its just not worth it

LCDs have horrible color and they all ghost.. Ive tried lcds and it doenst matter how fast They suck

Its just that simple

If you need it for graphics why get somthing that your creations will not be proporly made. So what looks good to you and how you want it, might not look the same for crt users
 
unearth01 said:
LCds can be as good as u wnat them to be but withing 5 years they will never compare to a CRT

The best currently that you can buy is the Mitsubishi 2070sb

dont get a lcd they suck no matter how much they cost or how low the refreshrate it

Its just not worth it

LCDs have horrible color and they all ghost.. Ive tried lcds and it doenst matter how fast They suck

Its just that simple

If you need it for graphics why get somthing that your creations will not be proporly made. So what looks good to you and how you want it, might not look the same for crt users
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lol! You have to be kidding bad color, I have a sony 21"CRT and now a Dell 2005fpw and the color on thwe sony is no where near as good as the LCD's color. I cant go back to my CRT now that I have this LCD, The CRT looks very washed out now. And as far as ghosting this one does not at 12ms gray to gray. You do need a high end video card if you want to use the high end rez. for games though.
 
OK why dont Graphic desighners or Cad user use LCds.

why does your lcd only have 6 bit color where as crts have 32 bit. Actually CRT are unlimited in the number of colors they can produce, It is a 100% variable on what is driving them (video card)

The highest end lcds can only ahve 24 bit or 16.8 million colors but you sacrafice with bad response time and ghosting.

I ahve no idea what you are talking about, ask any professional and they will refuse to use lcds

Blacks are black
greys arent grey
whites arent white
oranges look like red or pinks

These are all sacrafices you pay for a 6 bit panel

If you have a good sony crt, you shouldent see that at all. Maybe its defective or you have the brightness to high.


In the summer i has the 710T. which was said to be a very good lcd.

I ran a side to side with my old gateway 13.5 inch which i am still using now and the 710T. Both set to run 3d mark at the same time. The old gateway monitor as seen here http://photobucket.com/albums/v310/Vinny77/desk/?action=view&current=DSC00576.jpg

The crt is old from 1996 and still outproduced the lcd. To me what i fely was the purest colors and the sharpest images the crt won hands down. This is why i returned the 710T/
 
lcds are sharp (if you use a resolution apart from the native one it will not be totally sharp). Some of them have really good pictures/minimal ghosting. I would still pick a Mitsubishi 2070 over them (unless it was a huge good lcd and a similar price)
 
unearth01 said:
I think a fine tuned crt can be just as sharp
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No way. As much as I Iike CRTs, when it comes to sharpness, they look like ass compared to most LCDs.
 
I make my 930sb have shatper text than the 710T. It doesnt matter what you say you cannot not convince me that a lcd is better, You couldent pay me to get one
 
unearth01 said:
I make my 930sb have shatper text than the 710T. It doesnt matter what you say you cannot not convince me that a lcd is better, You couldent pay me to get one
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This is what I'm talking about. If the text on your 710T isn't at least as sharp as on the 930SB then there is definitely something wrong with your LCD. I'm not trying to convince you that LCDs are better, I'm just pointing out the facts.

Coincidentally I just I have a 930SB sitting next to my Samsung 193P and like I said, it looks like ass when it comes to text and sharpness compared to the LCD.
 
I mean it depends on brightness, convergence and how well the moniotr is focused by its pots.

LCDs are good but not better than an crt, but that is just me
 
Um.... isn't the title of this thread "BEST 21" CRT", not crt vs lcd. It looks like sony has good crt's with high resolutions with good refresh rates.
 
Also the Sony GPD-FW900, its a wide screen crt 24". You can find it under $600, but mostly over $800 - $1000. Its what I want, but cant afford. I understand that this is the best crt to date, and its native resolution is 19xx by 1200 at 85hz. I think 21" are about 1600 by 1200, so I think its like a wide 21". It fits two web pages in one screen. Dont get the GPD-W900 or HP version cause they are earlier version and do not have such high refresh rates and are a bit blurry on the outsides.

<edit> I think it has been discontinued too. <edit>
 
Roger said:
No way. As much as I Iike CRTs, when it comes to sharpness, they look like ass compared to most LCDs.
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....it very much depends on the CRT and the LCD. I've seen some "pro" CRT's that were amazing; better than the bulk of the panels out there.

If I had to buy a CRT today (been thinking about it) I'd look closely at the Mitsu 2070SB as unearth01 pointed out. The egg has it for $642.00 + shipping. I'm very sure you'd have to pay a bunch more for a flat panel that would have the same brightness and sharpness.

FWIW - B.B.S.
 
As an IMAGERY ANALYST, at work we use sun 24" lcd's. They are much better than the sun monitors (sony clone, trinitron, high res)... Sure, if I could afford one, I'd do it. I have a Sun GDM-5410, will do 1600x1200@75 without issue... if you are doing a lot of reading, or surfing, whatever kinda stuff, a decent LCD is better than a good CRT, hands down. When it comes to motion, there is no doubt, you have to make some tradoffs, but his question was about CRT's, so I have to go with the 2070, too. However, if you want a better deal, the difference between that and the 2060 is negligible, and you could get it much cheaper.
 
I use an IBM P202 at home, and I'm fairly happy with it.

At work I have a junker Compaq P110 (I hate it), and a nice Sun monitor. I love the Sun Microsystems monitor :)
 
when it comes to crt vs tft, Id say go for tft, even if you're into graphics.. if you're so into graphics that everything needs to be an exact color, a normal CRT wouldnt do it anyways... for color correction at companies REALLY expensive monitors are used.. which hold the color calibration longer than normal screens.. and even with that, they have to be recalibrated once a month or so..

And as for the sony 24" crt someone suggested.. seen one of those in action.. the user got it when his 21" or something broke down.. the 24" wasnt very impressive.. very blurry.. maybe he was unlucky and got a defect one.. but thats my experience with it anyways

If you still really want a CRT id look at EIZO's CRTs.. supposed to be very good
 
LCD screens are pretty good theses days. I work at a printing shop, and we have mix of LCD and CRT in our graphics department. Regardless of monitor type none of them are going to perfect if you want to color match a printed piece.

We have expensive color calibration tools, and to get even close we still have to run highly customised color profiles. Each application also may show the same color differently. So on each computer/monitor, we have color profiles for each program, and each printer. With 8 common apps and 4 color printers it is ALOT of color profiles to calibrate and adjust.

Even then some colr on some monitors just wont match. This fairly new CRT just will not display a certain shade of blue properly (looks purple), and this LCD is off on red. White and black wont ever be "true" on any monitor. Though it seems LCD's do better whites, and CRT's do better blacks. The main idea is matching of the CMYK (difficult on monitors that only allow RGB adjustments, CMYK adjustable monitors a little more expensive)

I would say for 600 bucks go with a 21" CRT or 19" LCD. The vieable area will be similar and you can get fairly good quality of either one of those in that price range.
 
either way thou best moniter you have it will still sway unless calibrated every week or so. Withtin days u could see colors on moniters be different. SO even with the best moniters color isnt ever safe. Thats where different tools come in, but indeed 19" is creeping up as a stadered in the graphic communnity. My 19" samsung hasnt failed on me yet, and does wonders when i work on 11x17's as opposed to 17" i used to have at school. But indeed21" is useful but for alot of ppl it might just be too much moniter unless ur planning on working on big file sizes more frequently. im a advcate for duel screens so id rather find two really good 19" moniters fr 700 then blow 700 on one 21 or 24 " one personally.
 
What do you think of this one SAMSUNG 910T-Black 19inch with 1000:1 contrast ratio(just not sure if its true) but 25ms. Avail in newegg for 449 while at our local Frys 599...
 
For 19" LCD I like the ViewSonic VP912.

I wish it did 1600x1200 instead of just 1280x1024, but otherwise it is a nice monutor. We have a couple at work and they are really nice. I brought one home and played some games on it and I didn't notice any ghosting in UT2K4, HL2, or any other games I played. It is $545.99 on newegg right now. (supposedly a one day sell, not sure what it normally is).
 
Has anyone here seen the Apple 23'' or 30'' with D.V.I? I'll take that over any high end C.R.T anyday. I'm not sure but I think that all CRT's are analog,(correct me if I'm wrong) but its all about the D.V.I. connection. I am sorry, but I am looking for excuses to ditch my Samsung 955 DF monitor. (1280x1024 @75hz) CRT. I know that your original budget was 500ish but the Dell 2005FPW just doesnt cut it in my opinion. GET AN APPLE :D
 
-Sean Casey said:
LCD screens are pretty good theses days. I work at a printing shop, and we have mix of LCD and CRT in our graphics department. Regardless of monitor type none of them are going to perfect if you want to color match a printed piece.

We have expensive color calibration tools, and to get even close we still have to run highly customised color profiles. Each application also may show the same color differently. So on each computer/monitor, we have color profiles for each program, and each printer. With 8 common apps and 4 color printers it is ALOT of color profiles to calibrate and adjust.
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very informative post Sean, thanks.

How often do the CRTs need to be calibrated? Which ones do you use?
 
CRT's will shift color fairly quickly. We don't require 100% accuracy on our screen, since we usually operate off of samples, we just do what is needed to make sure the output matches the signed proof. Each printer also has calibration on the RIP side that is ran often. We have one $750,000 100ppm color printer that we always have to work on the get the blue to come out correctly.

Because of this we generally make needed corrections on once every other month. any sooner and it just takes too much resources to maintain.

As for types, we have a couple of the last Apple CRT's, some Sun's and a couple Viewsonic, at least for our productions. For other tasks we generally use the cheapest as the shipping department doesn't really care about anything except for generating Fed-Ex and UPS shipping labels to slap on boxes.
 
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