Benq BL3200PT (32" 1440p)

I have a question for VA in general. Do they retain contrast better at low brightness than IPS? I notice some cheaper screens have to be above a certain brightness or it looks extremely washed out.
 
Sent my display back as well.

Another thing about this Display it has very shitty electrical isolation.
If you connect your USB-DAC to the Display, you'll hear all kind of high pitched noises in your Headphones/speakers because of the ground loop (you can hear the HDD working, mouse movement and current changes in PC). :/
It's the 1st time I had this problem with a Display.
Luckily I had Olimex USB Isolator lying around, wich fixed the problem, but still....
 
Just boxed it up, tough going back to a 27 but at least there is only one shade of grey instead of 5 or 6 on the forums. Not hating on VA, I've had several and never had that issue before.
 
Xr7 said:
Just boxed it up, tough going back to a 27 but at least there is only one shade of grey instead of 5 or 6 on the forums. Not hating on VA, I've had several and never had that issue before.
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yeah sending mine back today as well. i just can't get over those "clouds/bands" of lighter shades. whenever i play some game, it really looks like the screen is smudged or something. staying with my U2913WM until dell comes out with a 34" version.
 
Mrakoplas said:
It seems they have problems to submit uniform panels even to reviews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Jc473LbnNNM#t=71
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Really don't see what you are seeing?

It seems you guys are just picking apart a monitor for tiny flaws, when all monitors have flaws. Some of you are going back to IPS panels that have massive amounts of IPS glow, mediocre contrast, and other IPS issues. Switching panel types can take awhile to adjust, you are trading certain cons for other cons. It could take a month for some people to stop being "annoyed" by the flaws of a different panel. Mine still hasn't shipped from Amazon, but worse case I can easily return it. I highly doubt anything on this monitor is more annoying than IPS glow and sub 1000:1 contrast though. VA panels always seem to impress me.

At least 2 of the people returning their monitors in this thread came with stuck/dead/dim pixels, and I believe from the same supplier even. That might be a QA issue, or a shipping damage issue, but I wouldn't form an opinion on monitors that have something noticeably wrong with them out of the box.
 
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Tyrindor said:
Really don't see what you are seeing?

It seems you guys are just picking apart a monitor for tiny flaws, when all monitors have flaws. Some of you are going back to IPS panels that have massive amounts of IPS glow, mediocre contrast, and other IPS issues. Switching panel types can take awhile to adjust, you are trading certain cons for other cons. It could take a month for some people to stop being "annoyed" by the flaws of a different panel. Mine still hasn't shipped from Amazon, but worse case I can easily return it. I highly doubt anything on this monitor is more annoying than IPS glow and sub 1000:1 contrast though. VA panels always seem to impress me.

At least 2 of the people returning their monitors in this thread came with stuck/dead/dim pixels, and I believe from the same supplier even. That might be a QA issue, or a shipping damage issue, but I wouldn't form an opinion on monitors that have something noticeably wrong with them out of the box.
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Yeah, I don't get it either. It's not like the other IPS panels are 100% immune to such problems either. It's just the luck of the draw. I had to return my Philips 46" TV twice before the third was a keeper. My Asus monitor on the other hand was a keeper first time. And I don't get folks waiting; there is always something better around the corner, does not mean it will be problem free.
 
i'm not saying the monitor is bad, just saying tat i personally cannot live with the issue i described. maybe the screen is working well within its specifications, but i personally am not willing to shell out 600 euro for something i know i can't tolerate (again, ME PERSONALLY), much less when i have a fine screen at home right now.
 
AMVA clouding sucks. Some panels have it worse than others. It does seem generally vertically oriented and I'm pretty sure we're describing the same problem: skukos bl32 and all of the fg2421s I've had. My wife uses the one we kept almost exclusively to actually play Ffxiv but while browsing it's a constant distraction if your unit has it bad. I'm much happier with the relative uniformity of IPS/pls.
 
If you are happy with it then I'm happy for you. I suppose you have a point I'm more willing to put up with my previous monitors issues than I am willing to deal with the Benq's issues. Uniformity issues seems to bother me a lot more than ips glow.


Tyrindor said:
Really don't see what you are seeing?

It seems you guys are just picking apart a monitor for tiny flaws, when all monitors have flaws. Some of you are going back to IPS panels that have massive amounts of IPS glow, mediocre contrast, and other IPS issues. Switching panel types can take awhile to adjust, you are trading certain cons for other cons. It could take a month for some people to stop being "annoyed" by the flaws of a different panel. Mine still hasn't shipped from Amazon, but worse case I can easily return it. I highly doubt anything on this monitor is more annoying than IPS glow and sub 1000:1 contrast though. VA panels always seem to impress me.

At least 2 of the people returning their monitors in this thread came with stuck/dead/dim pixels, and I believe from the same supplier even. That might be a QA issue, or a shipping damage issue, but I wouldn't form an opinion on monitors that have something noticeably wrong with them out of the box.
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Maybe it's a lot worse in real life, but I haven't seen any uniformity issues in the videos on YouTube or in any of the pictures posted, except for the green screen pic of Xr7. And the uniformity in that pic looks like normal variation to me.
 
Got mine today and after a few adjustments i'm very impressed by this monitor :cool:
The uniformity is quite perfect for me with no noticeable variations.
Only the brightness in the edges is a little bit lower than in the center of the screen. I notice this only on a white screen.
There are no dead or stucked pixels, only one red subpixel in the middle, which is a little bit darker (not dead) than the rest. This is only noticeable on a white or red background and when you know, where the pixel is.
Furthermore there is no backlight bleeding and only a very little glow. In actual fact there is no glow and my view distance is about 60cm. This is much more better than on my BL2710PT. So far the pixel pitch is very comfortable to me.
The size is really huge and very impressive in combination with that outstanding picture quality - same for the build quality.
 
I received mine yesterday, and the first impression was "wow it's so huge" !
I had a dell 2408wfp, so the pitch seems the same
I hate IPS and love the VA blacks, and here i'm not disappointed

Out of the box, it's far too bright, and there's too much blue in the white
No dead pixels or any other problem on my screen.

I used a xrite i1display pro, and the result seems good to me (120cd, 5800K, gamma 2.2) and i have 2437:1 contrast ratio, with a mid deltaE of 0.84 (2 values too high, I have to retry)
But I really love this screen
Build quality seems really good to me



 
Thanks for that snake. Do you recommend buying an xrite i1display pro for the monitor? How was the before/after?

I don't fully understand the devices. I assume it tweaks the monitors settings based on a windows color profile, however most games won't use windows color profile to my understanding. So these devices really only calibrate desktop usage?
 
@Snake:
Could you please post your settings from the OSD, like contrast, brightness, display mode and so on - thanks!
 
Hi

I am from spain and recently bought this monitor and I am very happy with it. Previously I had a Dell U2713hm and I have noticed some differences between the monitors, not only the size, which is very impressive.

The most important disadvantage in my opinion is the washed image at low brightness in the benq. It has deeper blacks but putting brightness below 60 the colours are less accurated and may loss certain details on images. On high brightness levels the colours are fantastic but in low light ambient is a problem for the eyes health.

Response time in games is good enough for casual players, not as good for gaming people. In AMA premium mode the little ghosting effect dissapears completely but sometimes the edges of the characters looks a bit weird. In AMA high sometimes the ghosting effect is a little noticeable.

I think that the second disadvantage of this display is the colour calibration, colours are a bit saturated. I would like to know how can I solve it without buying a colour calibrator, can you help me?

Regards

PD: sorry for my bad english
 
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Tyrindor said:
Thanks for that snake. Do you recommend buying an xrite i1display pro for the monitor? How was the before/after?

I don't fully understand the devices. I assume it tweaks the monitors settings based on a windows color profile, however most games won't use windows color profile to my understanding. So these devices really only calibrate desktop usage?
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it changes the monitor settings AND uses a color profile (but I don't see a color shifting at loggon)
It must be possible to have a good result manually but it will take a lot of time but i'm not sure it will be as good, and since color accuracy is important to me, i prefer to use a colorimeter
 
OceanBlue said:
@Snake:
Could you please post your settings from the OSD, like contrast, brightness, display mode and so on - thanks!
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I changed settings, now i'm at 6000K, gamma 2.2, 110cd/m², i have a 2521:1 contrast ratio with a mid deltaE of 0.62, but 2 colors seems not possible to correct ! One of them has a deltaE of 3.09 :eek:(

My monitor settings :
Picture mode user
brightness 32
contrast 50
gamma 3
color temp user R 99 G 94 B 88
 
https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?34262-The-Best-Monitor-I-ve-Ever-Owned&p=277102

Another raving mini-review. :)

snakesnake said:
I changed settings, now i'm at 6000K, gamma 2.2, 110cd/m², i have a 2521:1 contrast ratio with a mid deltaE of 0.62, but 2 colors seems not possible to correct ! One of them has a deltaE of 3.09 :eek:(

My monitor settings :
Picture mode user
brightness 32
contrast 50
gamma 3
color temp user R 99 G 94 B 88
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I'd highly suggest running gamma at 1 before calibrating. TFTCentral claims the gamma is a massive 28% off of 2.2 gamma scale on 3 (~20% more than your average out of the box settings). That's a lot to correct for and may be why you can't get those 2 colors 100% correct. They didn't seem to have the same problem. :p

TFTCentrals settings:
Preset = User
Gamma = 1
Brightness = 26
Contrast = 50
R = 100
G = 97
B = 96
 
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Tyrindor said:
https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?34262-The-Best-Monitor-I-ve-Ever-Owned&p=277102

Another raving mini-review. :)



I'd highly suggest running gamma at 1 before calibrating. TFTCentral claims the gamma is a massive 28% off of 2.2 gamma scale on 3 (~20% more than your average out of the box settings). That's a lot to correct for and may be why you can't get those 2 colors 100% correct. They didn't seem to have the same problem. :p

TFTCentrals settings:
Preset = User
Gamma = 1
Brightness = 26
Contrast = 50
R = 100
G = 97
B = 96
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I tried
Only changing setting to gamma 1, 110cd, 6000K, i get a 2496:1 ratio, 0.58 mid deltaE with the same 2 colors deviance (max of 3.05)

With all the tft central settings, 5800k and 120cd, i get a 2528:1 ratio, 0.49 mid deltaE with 2 colors problem too (one usual blue-green, and red, max of 2.98)

With all the tft central settings, 6000k and 120cd, i get a 2470:1 ratio, 1.04 mid deltaE with 2 colors problem too (one usual blue-green, and white, max of 3.06)

and with all the tft central settings, 6500k and 120cd, i get a 2640:1 ratio, 0.72 mid deltaE with 2 colors problem too (one usual blue-green, and green, max of 3.96)

It seems I always get 2 colors out of the tolerance, always that blue-green and another one
But the mid deltaE is good, and to my eyes, the result is excellent
 
snakesnake said:
I tried
Only changing setting to gamma 1, 110cd, 6000K, i get a 2496:1 ratio, 0.58 mid deltaE with the same 2 colors deviance (max of 3.05)

With all the tft central settings, 5800k and 120cd, i get a 2528:1 ratio, 0.49 mid deltaE with 2 colors problem too (one usual blue-green, and red, max of 2.98)

With all the tft central settings, 6000k and 120cd, i get a 2470:1 ratio, 1.04 mid deltaE with 2 colors problem too (one usual blue-green, and white, max of 3.06)

and with all the tft central settings, 6500k and 120cd, i get a 2640:1 ratio, 0.72 mid deltaE with 2 colors problem too (one usual blue-green, and green, max of 3.96)

It seems I always get 2 colors out of the tolerance, always that blue-green and another one
But the mid deltaE is good, and to my eyes, the result is excellent
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Personally, I wouldn't worry about it then. I'd probably use the 6500k settings.
 
This is why i hate user reviews on these retail sites. Not very educated, easily prejudiced, and stroke your own ego type of reviews. It's like its some hip exclusive club where you must sing the virtues of AMVA and bash everyone else. Pretty ignorant of the inherent panel issues and downplaying many flaws. Since when was Benq a lauded panel maker? Astroturfers always ruin everything. I cant make an informed decision through internet alone, and not with these prices. Shame its not available in store anywhere.
 
I have now the following settings (i don't have a coloritmeter):

User
gamma 1
brightness 40
contrast 48
color user define with R95, G95, B100
saturation 52

This give so far the best results.
 
I made some pictures with my potato comparing the BenQ with my Shimian:

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Here is the album: http://imgur.com/a/A2usL

The colors are way better, so are the blacks and I like the non glare screen much better.

Still getting used to the size though.
 
My monitor arrived today as well! First impression: huge, but terrible picture out of the box. Since I have no hardware calibrator here, I used the TFT Central settings and the picture improved tremendously. With those settings, I did have a slight green tint though. I decided to not use the RGB channels; I use the 'Normal' color preset instead.

-The Good:

Screensize. I still have to get used to it though, it's almost TOO much, lol.
No IPS glow. Blacks are black, even at an angle. Much better than my IPS.
Great contrast. Blacks are deep; again, much better than my previous IPS.
I still have to test more games, but the input lag & ghosting is not bothersome.
Screen coating is just right. No 'dirty' look and it eliminates reflections well.

-The Bad:

Contrast shift occasionally looks like IPS glow, but I can live with it.
Uniformity could be better. If I look very closely, I see the bands too.
Backlight bleed in my lower left corner. Not noticeable in everyday use.

I must say, I'm very happy with the screen! I will post some pictures later on. Any questions?
 
How well does it scale the 1080p input from a console? What about old games with low resolutions like 800x600 or 1024/768? Does it letterbox them properly or are they stretched without recourse?
 
I haven't hooked my PS3 up to this monitor yet, so I have no idea at the moment. Will try tomorrow. I will test both the 720p and 1080p output of my PS3. There's a chance that the 720p output looks better, because the 2560x1440 resolution of the BenQ is precisely four times the PS3's 1280x720 resolution. This means that the BenQ only has to scale it, whereas the BenQ actually has to interpolate the 1080p resolution.

For now, I can tell you that I tried a Lord of the Rings blu-ray with VLC Player. Up close, this blu-ray loses quite a bit of sharpness on this monitor, if I compare it with my previous 24" monitor. From a distance, however, there's no problem. Can't fault the monitor for that though, this is just due to the stretching from 24" to 32".

As for older games, I tried Heroes of Might and Magic III. In the monitor menu, there's an aspect ratio option and also an 1:1 pixel mapping option. So yes, it is very possible to properly letterbox older games. There's another option too, which could be useful for older games: 19 inches. If you choose that, the BenQ will emulate a 19" inch monitor with 4:3 aspect ratio. For HoMM3, this resulted in the game being larger than 1:1 pixel mapping, but smaller than a full stretch with the aspect ratio option.
 
[X]eltic;1040866387 said:
I haven't hooked my PS3 up to this monitor yet, so I have no idea at the moment. Will try tomorrow. I will test both the 720p and 1080p output of my PS3. There's a chance that the 720p output looks better, because the 2560x1440 resolution of the BenQ is precisely four times the PS3's 1280x720 resolution. This means that the BenQ only has to scale it, whereas the BenQ actually has to interpolate the 1080p resolution.

For now, I can tell you that I tried a Lord of the Rings blu-ray with VLC Player. Up close, this blu-ray loses quite a bit of sharpness on this monitor, if I compare it with my previous 24" monitor. From a distance, however, there's no problem. Can't fault the monitor for that though, this is just due to the stretching from 24" to 32".

As for older games, I tried Heroes of Might and Magic III. In the monitor menu, there's an aspect ratio option and also an 1:1 pixel mapping option. So yes, it is very possible to properly letterbox older games. There's another option too, which could be useful for older games: 19 inches. If you choose that, the BenQ will emulate a 19" inch monitor with 4:3 aspect ratio. For HoMM3, this resulted in the game being larger than 1:1 pixel mapping, but smaller than a full stretch with the aspect ratio option.
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Isn't this PPI about the same from 24" 1080p to this guy? Shouldn't be "losing sharpness" really I wouldn't think. Wish I had one to test.
 
Bluesun311 said:
Isn't this PPI about the same from 24" 1080p to this guy? Shouldn't be "losing sharpness" really I wouldn't think. Wish I had one to test.
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Yeah, you are right if you watch the movie without stretching it. Fullscreen, it loses sharpness. But as said, not the monitor's fault.
 
I played Half Life 2 for a few hours and I specifically tried to notice ghosting, but I can't really see anything. Didn't notice anything in Max Payne either. Monitor is fine for gaming purposes.
 
1440p YouTube Video:

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Uniformity on grey screen. Looks a lot worse in the picture than in everyday use.

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1440p YouTube Video:

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Max Payne 3 at 2560x1440 resolution:

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1440p YouTube Video:

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1440p YouTube Video:

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Browsing - Two Windows Side By Side:

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1440p YouTube Video:

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Sorry for the terrible pictures. I don't have a very good camera. These pictures aren't really representative for the monitor. It looks a lot better in real life.
 
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Uniformity on grey screen. Looks a lot worse in the picture than in everyday use.

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Some people returned it due to that?? :confused:

Throwing up a gray screen on my current VA panel produces much worse results and I don't even notice them outside of doing that. It's something most people's brains/eyes will condensate for after using the monitor for a bit. Personally, I can't get use to IPS glow, no matter how hard I tried.
 
Here are some pictures of mine. The glow is minimal and there is no blacklight bleeding.
In reality it's a little bit darker, but my cam can't take it better.

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With gamma at 1 in the OSD the gamma on a test page seems to be good:

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Tyrindor said:
Some people returned it due to that?? :confused:

Throwing up a gray screen on my current VA panel produces much worse results and I don't even notice them outside of doing that. It's something most people's brains/eyes will condensate for after using the monitor for a bit.
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Yeah, it is not something I notice in everyday use. I mean, if I specifically try to notice it, then yeah, it is visible on certain screens, but when I'm busy, playing a game, browsing the web or watching a movie, it's just not something I notice.

Personally, I can't get use to IPS glow, no matter how hard I tried.
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This monitor has no IPS glow, but I do have to warn you that the contrast shift occasionally looks like minor IPS glow on certain screens. This is something that is actually noticeable in everyday use. However, it is nothing compared to real IPS glow. I say this as a former IPS monitor owner.
 
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