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Benchmarks and performance per buying dollar

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codysown

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I am getting tired of trying to figure out what video chip competes with the competition at what level and price specified. I read articles here and other sites that have a video card from ATI competing with Nvidia and the prices are not even close. I know that it would be very hard to review every card and keep track of what price it is at that time. However what is to stop one card that is from competing in a class that has a $100 price difference. When I go out and look to purchase a new card I have a dollar limit that I am restricting myself to. At first it was $100, then $200, and now I am up over $250. The recent article at “The Tech Report” http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/8115 that Steve linked to on the front page has it where the cards that ATI is stating that the MSRP is way below the actual retail price, has got me wondering. Do these cards even belong in the same category? There is no way that a manufacturer can regulate the price of every manufacturer’s card. Why are these cards evaluated against one another? A Radeon 9800xt is more in price than a new 6600 GT. Yet they are comparing them in the same category. I think that when reviews are done they should at least be against a competitors card in the same price range (+/- 10%). Not ATI’s or Nvidia’s newest demon that is $700 trying to compare with ATI’s 2 month old card that is $500. This isn’t a valid buying comparison to me.

When I purchased my Card last month I looked for a week before finally settling on the BFG Tech 6600GT. This is a Great card and I am happy with the performance, the price was a little higher than other 6600GT’s, however I purchased it because of the Customer Service reputation and the accolades that various reviews bestowed on it. For one thing ATI did not really have anything in a AGP slot to compete with the 6600GT. Now on the PCI-X side of things is where my thoughts are more relevant. I believe that a new benchmark should be created to be used along side of the current ones. This new one should have a scale that gives us a price comparison for the dollar that we spend. This could be a simple diagram and not consume a lot of time to figure up.

I am not judging or saying that the ways that are figured into performance class are wrong now. I do think that if something like this was created it might help keep the prices from inflating to where only Bill Gates and corporations will be able to keep up with the newest hardware. I try to upgrade once or twice a year to a new mainstream card, but at this rate I will be buying last years budget card before long.
 
I totally agree with you....well said!....I've noticed how supply and demand have an overall influence on the price of a popular card. The same goes with CPU's. the Athlon 3500+ is the hottest selling CPU for AMD. Online retailers jacked the original price up recently by almost $30 because of demand.

Remeber when the 9700Pro came out?...it was $350. That was the most expensive video card to date about 2 years ago. Now the next top of the line ATI card is double that amount.

I'm sick of benchmarks that don't equate price-per-performance and I'm sick of cards that excell in one game but not in another. I'm basing my next $500+ purchase on a particular game I will be playing (BF2) and that's swinging over to ATI. But I'd rather have a BFG 6800 Ultra for $450

When you really think about it, it's rediculace how much money we spend on video cards just to play games.
 
350x2=$700

X850XT PE $536.00
http://www.eastluna.com/hardware/details.php?ProductID=0399


700-536=$164 which is quite a bit off. Needless to say X850XTs can be found in numbers which use the same components as the PE with lower clocks, those are $475.00 give or take a little. Im in retail, just about all these retailers buy the cards for the same amount from suppliers. An X850PE or 6800U is bought by the retailer for $300. If you are stupid enough to go out and spend all that money after the insane mark up cause its either limited stock, or you must have it NOW, then that is your fault, not the fault of ATI or Nvidia. People are out there purchasing for these prices, of course they will continue to raise them until people stop paying it. This didnt start until last year. I paid $500.00 for an X800XT PE, one of the first, 3-4 months later they were all being sold for excess of $600+ on the same site.
 
Shifra said:
350x2=$700

X850XT PE $536.00
http://www.eastluna.com/hardware/details.php?ProductID=0399
700-536=$164 which is quite a bit off.
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A couple of months ago they were $900.....which is more than double .....and that link you posted is to some backwater online reseller ....and it's out of stock. I've noticed out of stock prices are always cheaper until they get them back in stock....like Chumbo.com

$700 is the average price from the main online retailers (the one where most people spend thier money)

The AGP version just hit the market for $600 ...today in fact at NewEgg.

There's always someone who can pull a cheaper price out of thier ass....but the point is the average price is what people buy at. If we talk average we have a standard we can talk by.
 
PuckerFactor said:
.....and that link you posted is to some backwater online reseller ....
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This is EastLuna, and all I have to say about this comment is WoW! I know we are not best yet, but we have a lot of faith that we will be the best, so we made it our slogan. I know we have a lot of changes to do to our web site, but we are so busy right now that we won't get to our next site redesign until 2007.

Anyway, there is a lot of crazy stuff going on in world right now to be mad about this.


PEACE
 
I didnt intend for this thread to be a flame I meant it to bring to light the comparisons that are being done. They should be done on a buying dollar and not just because one manufacturer says that this product is made to compete with the opposition.
 
To EastLuna.....Your'e right....I'm sorry I flamed your site....I'm sure your'e doing your best....good luck with your business I hope it's successful....and if that price on the 850XT PE holds true when it's back in stock...you may have me as a customer.

If you want a redesign sooner (for credit) let me know. I designed this for a friend (not my choice in company name)
http://www.bad-pc-company.com/

PEACE
 
PuckerFactor said:
To EastLuna.....Your'e right....I'm sorry I flamed your site....I'm sure your'e doing your best....good luck with your business I hope it's successful....and if that price on the 850XT PE holds true when it's back in stock...you may have me as a customer.

If you want a redesign sooner (for credit) let me know. I designed this for a friend (not my choice in company name)
http://www.bad-pc-company.com/

PEACE
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Good Job on on the site design. ;)

Also, to say something about the original theme of this thread, being in this business for only 3 years, I started out with a much more humble feeling toward how manufactures and companies price their products. Now, that I know how they sceme and munipulate the market, it makes me wonder if I want to be in this business any longer. We are one of few companies who actually try to keep the price down when products first come out, but it is very difficult when your own suppliers get in the act and jack up the prices on you. We only sell the best and newest products out there, but the difference between the MSRP and initial price of new products makes you think twice about even selling them. It makes me sick. I have been a computer enthusiast since I was a kid and always dreamed of having the best system, so I can play all my games the way the developers meant it to be played. So, I know how upset our customers get when they see a ridiculously high price on our site or on other online stores. Sometimes they get mad at us, but it's not our fault. Most suppliers don't care about what your customers say. They only care about their bottom line. It sucks, but it's just something you have to deal with in this crazy computer business.

To make a long story short, like PuckerFactor said, sales prices ultimately determined by supply and demand. Sure, performance has something to do with it, but your better off reading reviews and judging for yourself.
 
I guess I thought that posting something like this in this forum would garner more than the passing nod. At least a flame or two. I guess we will all be stuck paying the 30% increase in price nest time that a new card rolls out. That would make it around a grand for the top end card. And I thought that $300 a few years ago was high. I know that these places have R&D costs to cover but damn to take it out on the end user is just damn lame. Just my 2 cents.
 
codysown said:
I guess I thought that posting something like this in this forum would garner more than the passing nod. At least a flame or two. I guess we will all be stuck paying the 30% increase in price nest time that a new card rolls out. That would make it around a grand for the top end card. And I thought that $300 a few years ago was high. I know that these places have R&D costs to cover but damn to take it out on the end user is just damn lame. Just my 2 cents.
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Patience is key these days :)
 
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