BB10

Some exec was talking out of his ass and the investment bankers lost their minds.
 
Rune75 said:
Wasn't there a rumor of Lenovo buying <s>RIM</s> Blackberry that turned out to not be real? I bet Lenovo got a sneak peak at the 2 "new" phones BB released today and said "Nuhuh" and backed out of the deal.
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A Lenovo exec (CFO) was being interviewed about their plans to break into the smartphone market. He was outlining options and mentioned buying RIM which made everyone go crazy. The CEO imdietely came out and debunked it...and today they officially announced that they are going with Windows Phone
 
I think BB got its point across at the conference somewhat. I feel that they really didn't SHOW the phone off as well as they could have though.

Waiting for reviews at this point...lets just hope we can get some that aren't biased and filled with unwarranted hate like 80% of this thread...:rolleyes:
 
Engadget has early reviews up. And, I'm seeing more "realistic" posts in here... Not that much hate.
 
If anyone is going to buy RIM its going to be Apple, I think they are the only company with enough cash and enough incentive to a acquire them.
 
Well, the Q10 is a decent phone for people who want physical keyboards, since everyone else has abandoned them.

The only hope for BB is if the faithful come out in droves to rescue their beloved BB, because it will be a hard sell for the undecided consumer. And BB do not have the ad budget to sell this either.
 
The Lurker said:
If anyone is going to buy RIM its going to be Apple, I think they are the only company with enough cash and enough incentive to a acquire them.
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If Microsoft could afford it, RIM would be great fit for them. Microsoft + Blackberry would be great for the business enterprise market.

There are really only two smartphone OS's out there, maybe room for a third, Android and iOS are the top two obviously, and will be for awhile longer. Windows Phone is trying really hard to be the best third offering, and some analysts predict by 2015 that Windows Phone could be #2, but we'll see about that. But RIM with Blackberry, where do they fit in ?

If you are looking for a new smartphone, you can choose between the best Android offerings; Nexus-4, Note II, Galaxy S3, or Apple's very popular iPhone 5, or Microsoft's Nokia Lumia 920, of those five phones, you think someone will say, no, I don't like any of those, I want the Z10 Blackberry ?
 
JoeUser said:
I'm totally looking forward to this! Call me a BlackBerry fanboy if you want but I've loved all my BB devices. My 8530 on MetroPCS was an awesome phone at the time, my 9930 on Sprint was the best phone I've ever owned or used hands down...before I ditched Sprint, and the Playbook I owned (OS2.0) was HANDS DOWN the best tablet I've ever used.

Where BB lacks in apps I feel it more than makes up for it with their OS's and build quality. The 9930 and Playbook are prime examples of what a premium product should be.

I doubt BB10 will be any different in terms of awesome OS and build quality. The OS is based on the same QNX technology as the Playbook...which for those that haven't ever used a Playbook you are missing out on the best mobile OS on the market...better than iOS, better than Android. Period. Only thing holding it back is APPS!

So, excited? Definitely. Hoping that BB gets it shit together and puts pressure on app devs for support? One can only hope!

Also to the guy saying that BB10 is a iOS rip off you have clearly lost your mind. The hardware is based off of the Playbook design and the OS is simply no where near a rip off. People like you don't seem to realize that for one Apple didn't do it first, there were already touch screen icon grid based phones before it and second, other OS's that look similar only do because there is only so many ways to design a mobile OS. Do you want Android to mix it up so that there can only be one icon per screen that floats around as to make it difficult to tap it or what?! What are other OS makers supposed to do? In fact isn't Apple now ripping off Android with the notification bar among other things?

Off the Apple high horse please...here I'll help you down...:rolleyes:
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build quality yes.
OS? far from it. it was slow, laggy, buggy, took forever to boot, and browsing experience was miserable.
the only thing the OS had going for it was that it was "secure" which really doesn't mean anything to the end user because it's not tangible.
 
interesting, i think it looks nice, though i'd have to hold one to see for myself.

I had the playbook for a time, and it just never took off for me. ended up selling it. Wouldn't mind fiddling around with the phone just to see how it is.
 
Interesting to see a new mobile OS. I still maintain that Symbian was a pretty good OS.
 
I'm looking forward to trying the Z10. I hope BB can make it back to respectability. The more competition in the mobile OS world, the better for consumers.
 
Kinda 'meh' about reading about it from crackberry, the big thing I like about it is the hub and all the good things they had to say about the keyboard.

Things I'm iffy about is the battery life, screen size and future 3rd party developer support.

Hopefully this takes off but unless the price is right, I can't see myself picking it up based purely on the size. The concept is cool and them sticking to a gameplan for once is kind of refreshing. Lets hope it works out for them.
 
Trimlock said:
Kinda 'meh' about reading about it from crackberry, the big thing I like about it is the hub and all the good things they had to say about the keyboard.

Things I'm iffy about is the battery life, screen size and future 3rd party developer support.

Hopefully this takes off but unless the price is right, I can't see myself picking it up based purely on the size. The concept is cool and them sticking to a gameplan for once is kind of refreshing. Lets hope it works out for them.
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Here's another interesting review: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/blackberry/9837386/BB10-BlackBerry-Z10-review.html
 
Blackberries have always been phones for people that simply need a communication device not a toy. What I mean by that is, yes, Android and Apple has a metric ton of apps available but at the end of the day how many of those apps actually have a significant user base? Significant enough that users wont leave the platform because it is unavailable on another device. I would venture to say maybe 20?(really optimistic) Probably less.

But Blackberry offers those major 20 applications, so it really is a non issue. Problem is people can't get over the "What Ifs". What if my friends get an app on their Iphone/Android that I cant get on my blackberry?

The only thing having a huge app pool does for you is the ability to capture the stragglers that want to have that obscure app that no body has ever heard of AND insuring themselves that if an awesome new app gets developed they can get it too. But even then, that's a huge leap.

For me? I can use any phone on the market because I use maybe 5 apps on a consistent enough basis where I would second guess the move to another platform if it was unavailable and all the platforms have the applications.
 
The Lurker said:
Blackberries have always been phones for people that simply need a communication device not a toy. What I mean by that is, yes, Android and Apple has a metric ton of apps available but at the end of the day how many of those apps actually have a significant user base? Significant enough that users wont leave the platform because it is unavailable on another device. I would venture to say maybe 20?(really optimistic) Probably less.

But Blackberry offers those major 20 applications, so it really is a non issue. Problem is people can't get over the "What Ifs". What if my friends get an app on their Iphone/Android that I cant get on my blackberry?

The only thing having a huge app pool does for you is the ability to capture the stragglers that want to have that obscure app that no body has ever heard of AND insuring themselves that if an awesome new app gets developed they can get it too. But even then, that's a huge leap.

For me? I can use any phone on the market because I use maybe 5 apps on a consistent enough basis where I would second guess the move to another platform if it was unavailable and all the platforms have the applications.
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What incentive do users have to switch (back) to BlackBerry, at this point? Because at this point, BB has lost its user base and has to win them back. Playing the "well you guys don't have that many meaningful app choices" game won't save BB.

Most users are fairly heavily invested in one appstore or another, most are wanting either the massive Google services integration or whatever iOS does for the same...the Blackberry hardware is best described as underwhelming compared to anything else, for the price tier they're aiming at....the phone just got paper announced, and spec wise it is going to get buried by new even mainstream Android phones inside of this quarter. ALl the top tier handsets that have been available for over a month are already sporting quad core procs and better displays.

The only thing I miss on my Note2 compared to the blackberry is the hardware play/pause button...I mean seriously, that is about the only feature I wish I had....and to get that one feature I give up most all my Google service integration and all my apps....AND I'll probably have to pay an extra monthly fee to my carrier for a BB plan. I mean. Srsly, they are NOT winning over hearts and minds with BB10 hardware or software here, apart from nostalgic BB users....which if RIM (BB) wants to continue to exist they must win new users.
 
Compelling argument is compelling.

I guess it doesnt matter for a user like me. I am not heavily vested into the app store and I personally dont care what the hardware says on paper because I care about how it performs in my hand.

Cost of the data plans is moot, its the same price. Better displays is subjective. I personally do not like OLED and the IPS is the same as in other popular phones. Which ones have quad from the carriers? S3 is dual and the One X is dual as well I believe is as well.

I would switch because my phone is not tied to anything else I own where I will lose out on integration(except google and that worked fine even on my old blackberry), for me my phone is a stand alone device and I go with whichever works best for my needs.

But I agree with you completely on the incentive for users to switch. Sadly it strongly hinges on the apps because most users are idiots and thats all they measure. Sadly, if they can't get that up, they will be in trouble. But I also see how they are trying to fight that mentality by showcasing companies that are vested in their OS.

Edit: I am reading that the Z10 in the US should be getting the snap dragon not the Omap processor.
 
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The Lurker said:
Compelling argument is compelling.

I guess it doesnt matter for a user like me. I am not heavily vested into the app store and I personally dont care what the hardware says on paper because I care about how it performs in my hand.

Cost of the data plans is moot, its the same price. Better displays is subjective. I personally do not like OLED and the IPS is the same as in other popular phones. Which ones have quad from the carriers? S3 is dual and the One X is dual as well I believe is as well.

I would switch because my phone is not tied to anything else I own where I will lose out on integration(except google and that worked fine even on my old blackberry), for me my phone is a stand alone device and I go with whichever works best for my needs.

But I agree with you completely on the incentive for users to switch. Sadly it strongly hinges on the apps because most users are idiots and thats all they measure. Sadly, if they can't get that up, they will be in trouble. But I also see how they are trying to fight that mentality by showcasing companies that are vested in their OS.

Edit: I am reading that the Z10 in the US should be getting the snap dragon not the Omap processor.
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Droid DNA
Nexus 4
LG Optimus G
Galaxy Note 2
One X on AT&T

Those are all quad-core devices and more on the way.

Some will argue that dual vs. quad doesn't matter. In the realm of technology they are right since 99% of the apps out there won't leverage all 4 cores. However, in the realm of a consumers mind, unless that consumer is somebody like us, more is better.
 
Vermillion said:
Droid DNA
Nexus 4
LG Optimus G
Galaxy Note 2
One X on AT&T

Those are all quad-core devices and more on the way.

Some will argue that dual vs. quad doesn't matter. In the realm of technology they are right since 99% of the apps out there won't leverage all 4 cores. However, in the realm of a consumers mind, unless that consumer is somebody like us, more is better.
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It's the processor technology that matters.

A quad core Cortex-A15 vs a quad core Cortex-A9. The quad core Cortex-A15 will absolutely destroy the quad core Cortex-A9.

That's why the Galaxy S4 is so hyped up right now. Quad/Octa core Cortex-A15.
 
ItaliaFerrari said:
It's the processor technology that matters.

A quad core Cortex-A15 vs a quad core Cortex-A9. The quad core Cortex-A15 will absolutely destroy the quad core Cortex-A9.

That's why the Galaxy S4 is so hyped up right now. Quad/Octa core Cortex-A15.
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Joe Average doesn't care even though you and I will. As long as BB10 is a smooth, buttery experience a user won't care if it's A9 or A15 or dual or quad. Keep in mind when you read a spec sheet at the store what does it say? "Dual-core processor". It doesn't say "dual-core processor using old A9 tech" or "quad-core using new A15 tech".
 
Vermillion said:
Joe Average doesn't care even though you and I will. As long as BB10 is a smooth, buttery experience a user won't care if it's A9 or A15 or dual or quad. Keep in mind when you read a spec sheet at the store what does it say? "Dual-core processor". It doesn't say "dual-core processor using old A9 tech" or "quad-core using new A15 tech".
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THANK YOU. This is what I was trying to get at. Most users can't tell the difference or care as long as it works fine.
 
Vermillion said:
Joe Average doesn't care even though you and I will. As long as BB10 is a smooth, buttery experience a user won't care if it's A9 or A15 or dual or quad. Keep in mind when you read a spec sheet at the store what does it say? "Dual-core processor". It doesn't say "dual-core processor using old A9 tech" or "quad-core using new A15 tech".
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The Lurker said:
THANK YOU. This is what I was trying to get at. Most users can't tell the difference or care as long as it works fine.
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CPU specs sure...

But if the choice is between a 1080p Android and all its glory and foibles or a retina-tech iPhone etc etc....or a 1280x768 BB with none of the Google services and none of your apps. Guess what, your mediocre BB specs just cost you a customer 9 times out of 10. CPU specs people won't notice, the screen they sure will.
 
Skripka said:
CPU specs sure...

But if the choice is between a 1080p Android and all its glory and foibles or a retina-tech iPhone etc etc....or a 1280x768 BB with none of the Google services and none of your apps. Guess what, your mediocre BB specs just cost you a customer 9 times out of 10. CPU specs people won't notice, the screen they sure will.
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They wont notice the screen either. If the colors look good and its bright and easy to read, its sold.

How many people go into the store and say "give me a phone with 1080p, I dont care what brand it is". Not many.

You are projecting your needs onto the masses and the fact is, not everyone thinks like you.
 
The Lurker said:
They wont notice the screen either. If the colors look good and its bright and easy to read, its sold.

How many people go into the store and say "give me a phone with 1080p, I dont care what brand it is". Not many.

You are projecting your needs onto the masses and the fact is, not everyone thinks like you.
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You are forgetting when people walk in the store and says the need a new phone a sales person will wall up amd help them. They will surely state which phones can do 1080p since its a buzz word.

Its a pretty big buzz word.
 
Trimlock said:
You are forgetting when people walk in the store and says the need a new phone a sales person will wall up amd help them. They will surely state which phones can do 1080p since its a buzz word.

Its a pretty big buzz word.
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Then I guess having a store full of phones with anything less is pretty dumb since the sales people will only be slinging the ones with 1080p. :rolleyes:
 
The Lurker said:
They wont notice the screen either. If the colors look good and its bright and easy to read, its sold.

How many people go into the store and say "give me a phone with 1080p, I dont care what brand it is". Not many.

You are projecting your needs onto the masses and the fact is, not everyone thinks like you.
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Let us say you're right (and I question that, but we'll agree to disagree), that people won't notice a difference in performance or graphics all around....You want to get people to entirely dump a mobile ecosystem like Google/Android or Apple/iOS you need to have something noteworthy in featureset of hardware or software as bait. BB10 is a "me too" device-line of hardware and software as of now....and the hardware is obsolete on arrival (never a good sign for any gadget in the tech world).

Apart from the Blackberry name, what reason would any appreciable number of people have to move? The enterprise sector (RIM's bread and butter of old) has all but moved on with the ship having sailed....If RIM ever gets many enterprise clients back it will take years. Reading a few reviews, most are at best luckluster, usually pessimistic that BB10 and the hardware of it will save RIM...those that aren't are so borderline religious in their zeal, that RIM could have boxed a dog turd (they didn't ofc) and said reviewers still would have believed it was the best thing ever.
 
Skripka said:
Let us say you're right (and I question that, but we'll agree to disagree), that people won't notice a difference in performance or graphics all around....You want to get people to entirely dump a mobile ecosystem like Google/Android or Apple/iOS you need to have something noteworthy in featureset of hardware or software as bait. BB10 is a "me too" device-line of hardware and software as of now....and the hardware is obsolete on arrival (never a good sign for any gadget in the tech world).

Apart from the Blackberry name, what reason would any appreciable number of people have to move? The enterprise sector (RIM's bread and butter of old) has all but moved on with the ship having sailed....If RIM ever gets many enterprise clients back it will take years. Reading a few reviews, most are at best luckluster, usually pessimistic that BB10 and the hardware of it will save RIM...those that aren't are so borderline religious in their zeal, that RIM could have boxed a dog turd (they didn't ofc) and said reviewers still would have believed it was the best thing ever.
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Read my other post, I already explained my position on this. Long story short, I agreed with the argument.
 
The Lurker said:
Blackberries have always been phones for people that simply need a communication device not a toy. What I mean by that is, yes, Android and Apple has a metric ton of apps available but at the end of the day how many of those apps actually have a significant user base? Significant enough that users wont leave the platform because it is unavailable on another device. I would venture to say maybe 20?(really optimistic) Probably less.

But Blackberry offers those major 20 applications, so it really is a non issue. Problem is people can't get over the "What Ifs". What if my friends get an app on their Iphone/Android that I cant get on my blackberry?

The only thing having a huge app pool does for you is the ability to capture the stragglers that want to have that obscure app that no body has ever heard of AND insuring themselves that if an awesome new app gets developed they can get it too. But even then, that's a huge leap.

For me? I can use any phone on the market because I use maybe 5 apps on a consistent enough basis where I would second guess the move to another platform if it was unavailable and all the platforms have the applications.
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I seriously hope that RIM recovers. They made the most functional phones in the mid 2000's.

I think Blackberry has failed at marketing and making sure the Blackberry brand is as recognized as Apple and Samsung.
 
ItaliaFerrari said:
I seriously hope that RIM recovers. They made the most functional phones in the mid 2000's.

I think Blackberry has failed at marketing and making sure the Blackberry brand is as recognized as Apple and Samsung.
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They failed at making an OS that was competitive with Android or iOS. Market had little to do with anything.
 
Those of you that are complaining that the microSD card only supports 32gb, why exactly does anybody need more than 32gb of expandable storage? Which phones can support more, and what is the extra space used for?
 
Alchemic said:
Those of you that are complaining that the microSD card only supports 32gb, why exactly does anybody need more than 32gb of expandable storage? Which phones can support more, and what is the extra space used for?
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I wouldn't complain about 32GBs, but to answer your questions; current Galaxy phones support more (64GBs) and the extra space is usually used for a crapload of music, pictures and/or videos (both downloaded and recorded with the camera).
 
The Lurker said:
Then I guess having a store full of phones with anything less is pretty dumb since the sales people will only be slinging the ones with 1080p. :rolleyes:
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right... :rolleyes:

Alchemic said:
Those of you that are complaining that the microSD card only supports 32gb, why exactly does anybody need more than 32gb of expandable storage? Which phones can support more, and what is the extra space used for?
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Not really the need, but more or less why not support the current biggest? What was holding them back from adding in the 64gb support instead of sticking with the older standard 32gb?
 
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