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Anyone excited about BB10 announcement? I'm looking forward to this.

Since demo units are already out there, we kind of already know everything.

What we know hardware-wise:
Pretty killer touch keyboard (SwiftKey like). Critics say it's better than iOS, android, and wp's native keyboard.
Size dimensions similar to the iPhone 5. I would say they, ah, mimicked.

Will be updating this tomorrow.
 
I am very interested in the OS but If I am not mistaken it is another boxed in approach where you can't install apps outside of the their app store, which seems disappointing.

I don't care for the hardware. I am barely excited about hardware period (OMG the Galaxy S4 :rolleyes:) much less something running on one year old technology.
 
I'm disappointed in the lack of interface innovation. Everything seems to be a ripoff of Apple's iOS. Yes, the BB10 looks much better than previous models, but it isn't anything unique.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
fairly excited, just to see RIM stay in the market tbh, the more competition the better for us.
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This...even if BB10 is a hit success, RIM won't be a relevant competitor in smart phones for years. Most likely thing to be hoped for is BB10 keeps RIM from going the way of the Zune and the DoDo bird.
 
macandmercedes said:
I'm disappointed in the lack of interface innovation. Everything seems to be a ripoff of Apple's iOS. Yes, the BB10 looks much better than previous models, but it isn't anything unique.
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You kidding right? Its peak feature alone seems pretty clever.
 
Clever? Sure... I like having BB around to keep another player at the table... but almost everything that I've seen is just too little, too late. No game changers.
 
If the OS is anything like the playbook, kick ass!

How can you say the OS is like the iphone? Totally different. More like webos.

Too many Android / iPhone drones here.
 
I'm totally looking forward to this! Call me a BlackBerry fanboy if you want but I've loved all my BB devices. My 8530 on MetroPCS was an awesome phone at the time, my 9930 on Sprint was the best phone I've ever owned or used hands down...before I ditched Sprint, and the Playbook I owned (OS2.0) was HANDS DOWN the best tablet I've ever used.

Where BB lacks in apps I feel it more than makes up for it with their OS's and build quality. The 9930 and Playbook are prime examples of what a premium product should be.

I doubt BB10 will be any different in terms of awesome OS and build quality. The OS is based on the same QNX technology as the Playbook...which for those that haven't ever used a Playbook you are missing out on the best mobile OS on the market...better than iOS, better than Android. Period. Only thing holding it back is APPS!

So, excited? Definitely. Hoping that BB gets it shit together and puts pressure on app devs for support? One can only hope!

Also to the guy saying that BB10 is a iOS rip off you have clearly lost your mind. The hardware is based off of the Playbook design and the OS is simply no where near a rip off. People like you don't seem to realize that for one Apple didn't do it first, there were already touch screen icon grid based phones before it and second, other OS's that look similar only do because there is only so many ways to design a mobile OS. Do you want Android to mix it up so that there can only be one icon per screen that floats around as to make it difficult to tap it or what?! What are other OS makers supposed to do? In fact isn't Apple now ripping off Android with the notification bar among other things?

Off the Apple high horse please...here I'll help you down...:rolleyes:
 
IceDigger said:
If the OS is anything like the playbook, kick ass!

How can you say the OS is like the iphone? Totally different. More like webos.

Too many Android / iPhone drones here.
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If the OS is anything like the playbook it will fail faster than you can say... fail.


Webos? lol....

p.s.

I have a playbook and had a Dev Alpha since they became public knowledge. Not holding my breath for RIM.
 
What the HELL are you talking about? Playbook OS (at least 2.0+) is hands down the best mobile OS available. Only thing it lacks is apps...but I assume you are talking about the actual usage or...???
 
JoeUser said:
What the HELL are you talking about? Playbook OS (at least 2.0+) is hands down the best mobile OS available. Only thing it lacks is apps...but I assume you are talking about the actual usage or...???
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Does it have Skype yet?

Only took a year to get an email client (which until 2.1 didn't even support portrait mode).

Slow and clunky native apps, especially the browser.

Never mind the fact that majority of apps are pure garbage...

BB10 has a lot of potential due to the development environment and OS kernel but RIM is not known for strong execution.


Now, point out which features does Playbook OS have that makes it "the best!!!!".... Humor me...
 
I don't know jack about BB10 or Blackberry in general, so curious about a few things.

1. Is BB10 made for both phones and tablets?
2. Are there any BB10 tablets being launched or does the Playbook get BB10 (officially)?
3. I heard the App World has 70,000 apps, are those all able to run on BB10?
4. Any price yet on hardware (guess that'll be revealed tomorrow)?
5. BB10 support micro SD?
6. Is BB10 "rootable"? For example if I wanted to install adblocking software.
 
Ravynmagi said:
I don't know jack about BB10 or Blackberry in general, so curious about a few things.

1. Is BB10 made for both phones and tablets?
2. Are there any BB10 tablets being launched or does the Playbook get BB10 (officially)?
3. I heard the App World has 70,000 apps, are those all able to run on BB10?
4. Any price yet on hardware (guess that'll be revealed tomorrow)?
5. BB10 support micro SD?
6. Is BB10 "rootable"? For example if I wanted to install adblocking software.
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1. Just phones initially.
2. No official word, but I've heard RIM folks say it will come. RIM has lied before though.
3. No.
4. -
5. Yes
6. Playbook is rootable, so it's possible they'll root BB10 as well.
 
The playbook was rootable but it was patched and I dont believe they ever updated the root tool to work with the patched/update OS.

I am welling to bet Rim will try to keep OS10 as secure as possible and as a result OS10 will be very unfriendly to modding community.
 
Whether it's specifically your preference or not, we basically need BlackBerry 10 to protect the market.

With current trends, we're basically in the midst of a smartphone OS duopoly between Apple and Google. Symbian is officially over, and it's hard to say if Windows Phone has finally shifted out of neutral or not. If you want real choice, you need a meaningful third rival, and RIM has enough remaining share and buzz to potentially represent that.
 
I have a hard time believing RIM is going to survive. But I'll check out what they are announcing tomorrow to see if maybe they surprise me. I agree, I don't want them to fail, we need a third and hopefully forth player to keep things somewhat competitive. I think Windows Phone probably has a better chance though of someday becoming a competitive third player. I just don't know if RIM will get enough confidence and backing from app developers.
 
Looking forward to this since my company only supports BB or iOS for work. I refuse to use iOS and my BB torch really sucks.
 
BDV said:
Does it have Skype yet?

Only took a year to get an email client (which until 2.1 didn't even support portrait mode).

Slow and clunky native apps, especially the browser.

Never mind the fact that majority of apps are pure garbage...

BB10 has a lot of potential due to the development environment and OS kernel but RIM is not known for strong execution.


Now, point out which features does Playbook OS have that makes it "the best!!!!".... Humor me...
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TRUE multitasking, stability, security, best browser with baked in Flash support (something iOS has never had and something Android is losing with JB and on), and hands down the best user interface. The swipe gestures not only worked brilliantly but it felt so natural!

Hardware was some of the best as well. Solid chassis, GREAT speakers worthy of actually playing music, 1080p rear AND front cameras, solid HDMI that never gave me any issues, multimedia buttons, and more.

As far as everything else you said I can't agree either. Never had a native app act "slow" with me, never found the apps clunky (many were quite straight forward IMO), most apps that were crap with for the phones - the apps have been picking up, especially with Android support (check the games section in the app store).

Look, I used my tablet purely for media and browsing. Played some games, but never really cared for apps in general. Even on my phone I have like no apps outside a weather app and some games. So to me, for media and browsing purposes, the Playbook IS the best tablet. Great HDMI, VERY bright screen, super HDMI support, great cameras, etc...fit all my media needs PERFECTLY.

Never an issue.
 
Did I just read the words security and flash in the same sentence?

I won't lie. I sincerely hope BB10 makes BB cool again and bring in the kids to ask mommy and daddy for a BB.

One way for BB to do that is having some serious audio DAC in the phone for audiophiles. And since we already know what SoC BB is using, I just hope that BB will be able to release new hardware with to of the line SoC like Tegra 4 for gaming. BB has to bring the enthusiasts back.
 
CHANG3D said:
Did I just read the words security and flash in the same sentence?

I won't lie. I sincerely hope BB10 makes BB cool again and bring in the kids to ask mommy and daddy for a BB.

One way for BB to do that is having some serious audio DAC in the phone for audiophiles. And since we already know what SoC BB is using, I just hope that BB will be able to release new hardware with to of the line SoC like Tegra 4 for gaming. BB has to bring the enthusiasts back.
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I don't see Blackberry having the latest and greatest hardware like Android phones do. I state this simply on how RIM(or Blackberry now) have done things in the past and the fact that they cater for a sector that place more emphasis on stable tested hardware than just being the first with the fastest.
 
I'm kinda impressed with the app selection. Looks like they got Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Skype, Dropbox, and such. Of course getting the top popular apps is the easy part, getting those not so popular apps that I depend on will be the challenge.

Unfortunately the 4.2 inch phone is a bit smaller than I care for. Screen resolution of 1280x768 is pretty nice on that smaller screen though. And it physically looks nice. Disappointed micro SD only supports up to 32GB, but won't nitpick that because a lot of phones don't even have that much these days. No mention on the processor yet that I've seen.

So far nothing really blew me away to convert me from Android.
 
EDIT: BB Z10 uses the OMAP 4470 -

1.5 GHz Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 + Two ARM Cortex-M3 with PowerVR SGX544 + Vivante CGPU (dedicated 2D graphics core).

Details on the GPU are not known (how many cores, clock speed, etc) though it is a nice GPU over all. Shouldn't have any issues with newer 3D games and the such though. Definitely impressive over all.

I know they said it was a dual core...2GB of RAM is nice!

Would love to have a z10...unfortunately I do love my Note and the $45 I pay through Straight Talk can't be beat. Can't go back to contract BS with over inflated prices.

Either way, its awesome to see that BB10 really is everything they said it would be. Definitely a giant leap for BB and I sincerely hope it won't be their last!
 
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Seems like its a disappointment. Damn!
The OS is disappointing it seems, I thought it would have been more revolutionary, guess not and I would even go as far as to say from the picture of the font and colours used in the hub it's ugly. They should have kept that styling on OS5.


http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/30/3929760/blackberry-z10-review
. I don't feel BlackBerry 10 deals with multitasking or notifications as effectively as other platforms do (most notably Android), but it's not a total strikeout.
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All I know is their stock is dropping like a stone since the announcement of their name change.
 
Honestly, there is nothing in this phone that makes me see many iPhone or Android users jumping ship. One thing that the average joe likes in his/her phone is platform integration. Google has it with Android and their web services. Apple has it with iOS and Mac. Microsoft has it with Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8. What does RIM have?

This might make some nerds have some nerdgasms and maybe make some IT professionals who are forced to put up with BB systems giddy but this phone will be forgotten in the US by the time March 5 rolls around.

I still don't get RIM's insistence on making phones with physical keyboards. The "Q10" looks like a blast from the past.
 
The Lurker said:
All I know is their stock is dropping like a stone since the announcement of their name change.
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This is another thing that made me scratch my head. Who gives a shit if the company is called RIM or Blackberry? It's the branding of the phones that are important.
 
ComputerBox34 said:
This is another thing that made me scratch my head. Who gives a shit if the company is called RIM or Blackberry? It's the branding of the phones that are important.
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Unsure. Just like you I would think it is irrelevant as well especially for them. If it was Coke or Pepsi I can understand, but RIM? WTF

I bet it made for a good excuse to tank the stock right after selling only to buy back in cheaper.
 
As a person that has never used Blackberry or have much concern with integrating my phone into my work life, I didn't find anything here that would make me consider a Blackberry phone in the future.

Some interesting business features that might save Blackberry from losing more people to iPhones. We'll see if this is good enough to save the company.

From the hardware specs, pretty underwhelming. Looks nice and good to see at least micro SD slot is include (though limited to 32GB).

But I'm surprised they went with a TI OMAP 4470. It's merely a dual core A9 processor. Problem isn't it being a dual core, it's being a dual core AND A9. It is 2013 and it's Blackberry's flagship phone (and only BB10 phone at the moment). Seems like a minimum of a dual core A15 processor should be here. The A15 architecture is twice as fast as the A9. So these new quad core A15 phones already out are starting out already 4 times faster than that dual core A9.

It's apples and oranges sure, but wouldn't you want a newer processor so the phone can last longer before feeling obsolete? I guess they are counting on the business customers not caring since the employer is buying and upgrading these for them anyway.
 
ComputerBox34 said:
This is another thing that made me scratch my head. Who gives a shit if the company is called RIM or Blackberry? It's the branding of the phones that are important.
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RIM was a pretty stupid sounding now. I don't blame them.

Though I think hiring the celebrity to a fake position in the company was pretty funny move. Alicia Keys is the Global Creative Director, oh wow, I'm sure that'll help. :p
 
Unless it doesnt need the extra processing power to perform as well as the competition.

Specifications will only take you so far.
 
Ravynmagi said:
As a person that has never used Blackberry or have much concern with integrating my phone into my work life, I didn't find anything here that would make me consider a Blackberry phone in the future.

Some interesting business features that might save Blackberry from losing more people to iPhones. We'll see if this is good enough to save the company.

From the hardware specs, pretty underwhelming. Looks nice and good to see at least micro SD slot is include (though limited to 32GB).

But I'm surprised they went with a TI OMAP 4470. It's merely a dual core A9 processor. Problem isn't it being a dual core, it's being a dual core AND A9. It is 2013 and it's Blackberry's flagship phone (and only BB10 phone at the moment). Seems like a minimum of a dual core A15 processor should be here. The A15 architecture is twice as fast as the A9. So these new quad core A15 phones already out are starting out already 4 times faster than that dual core A9.

It's apples and oranges sure, but wouldn't you want a newer processor so the phone can last longer before feeling obsolete? I guess they are counting on the business customers not caring since the employer is buying and upgrading these for them anyway.
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You have to realize that 98.9% of customers don't give a shit about any of this.

It breaks down to these simple questions:
Will it run my apps?
Will it run my apps WELL for at least 1.5 - 2 years? (ie. next upgrade)

Those are the two biggest things you have to think about when spec'ing phones. My guess is that BB will control the ecosystem in a similar way to Apple, making it easier to filter out apps that won't run on a phone with more "modest" CPU and storage.
 
The Lurker said:
Unless it doesnt need the extra processing power to perform as well as the competition.

Specifications will only take you so far.
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I agree with that much. My concern isn't how it compares with Android, but why put an older processor in a phone with newer processors are available and phones are evolving to fast. Going with last year's processor is only going to make the phone feel older that much faster.

Why not put an A15 base chip it that so it can endure more updates and last longer for the end user.
 
ComputerBox34 said:
You have to realize that 98.9% of customers don't give a shit about any of this.

It breaks down to these simple questions:
Will it run my apps?
Will it run my apps WELL for at least 1.5 - 2 years? (ie. next upgrade)
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If you read my entire reply, you'll see I mostly agreed on that point. Blackberry is counting on it's business users to not care. Of course I think it's this kind of mentality that got Blackberry in it's dire straights to begin with.
 
Too little too late from RIM...errr BlackBerry. RIM needed to change 3 years ago, not today. They also needed a Grand Slam and make people go "holy crap...I want that". I see nothing in BB10 that isn't already present in Android or iOS in some form or fashion. So most people will yawn and keep right on chugging with Android and iOS especially those highly invested in those ecosystems.

I still think BB is finished and it's only a matter of time. BB10 won't do anything to stop that.
 
I think the biggest thing is the screen size. Good resolution but horrible idea not to rework the size of the keyboard. Id get this for work purposes pretty quickly as those keyboards are awesome.
 
Keyboard has always been perfect, mess with that and it will definitely be an early grave.
 
Wasn't there a rumor of Lenovo buying <s>RIM</s> Blackberry that turned out to not be real? I bet Lenovo got a sneak peak at the 2 "new" phones BB released today and said "Nuhuh" and backed out of the deal.
 
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