Battlefield 3 General Discussion Thread

It is a plug-in for the server. The admin can set the SPM to ban at whatever level he wants.

I personally haven't seen a legit player over 813 SPM. Most blatant hackers are 950 or higher, which means setting it at 1000 is a pretty good bet.


WarriorX said:
Some servers run plugins that will kick/ban for high KDR, SPM, etc. Pretty stupid imo.
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Nah. Setting it to an appropriate level is important after allowing some overhead, though.
 
Business6 said:
It is a plug-in for the server. The admin can set the SPM to ban at whatever level he wants.

I personally haven't seen a legit player over 813 SPM. Most blatant hackers are 950 or higher, which means setting it at 1000 is a pretty good bet.
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The guy who was flying my chopper, his profile said he was 607 SPM....
does it ban on just that server, or is it globally like punkbuster?

is it your battlelog SPM? or is it calculated on the fly during the match? I been on some real tears in the tank before...

I never took any notice of it till now....just because my pilot evaporated and I plummeted to my death.
 
Droc said:
The guy who was flying my chopper, his profile said he was 607 SPM....
does it ban on just that server, or is it globally like punkbuster?

is it your battlelog SPM? or is it calculated on the fly during the match? I been on some real tears in the tank before...
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Just that server. It might be battle log SPM, or it might be the current SPM. Not sure.
 
Droc said:
The guy who was flying my chopper, his profile said he was 607 SPM....
does it ban on just that server, or is it globally like punkbuster?

is it your battlelog SPM? or is it calculated on the fly during the match? I been on some real tears in the tank before...
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It shouldn't be based on anything other than their soldier's stats (battlelog, bf3s, etc.) Any plug-in based off of current in-game scores is a terrible idea. A kick/ban is only for that specific server, too.

I guess I should be glad I don't play on many other servers if they're banning people for low 600s, haha. That server's admin needs to spend some time doing some research
 
Pulsar said:
Have you tried putting in renderdevice.forcerenderahreadlimit 1 in the console? Im using the 12.2 preview driver with no caps. Triple buffering and vsync disabled in bf3 @ 2560x1600.
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nope, I will give that a shot. I am on 11.12 or 12.1 I think with cap 2 I think....
 
Marcdaddy said:
I'm not that good and I'm at 520, kicking for 600 plus sux.
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Don't say that. My SPM is at 425 and I think I am fairly decent. I know I'm not the best but I am almost always one of the top 5 players in any server I join. Not sure why SPM is so low. Maybe I really do suck and just happen to play in some super noob-filled servers...
 
SPM isn't really an indication of how good you are IMO. When I started playing metro alot everyone was 700 and higher and I was like 550 tops. I usually destroy everyone and have best KDR over everyone icluding people with spm in 900s cuz all they do is play metro lol.
I am floating around 700 now but I play alot of Caspian too.
 
Rattle said:
SPM isn't really an indication of how good you are IMO. When I started playing metro alot everyone was 700 and higher and I was like 550 tops. I usually destroy everyone and have best KDR over everyone icluding people with spm in 900s cuz all they do is play metro lol.
I am floating around 700 now but I play alot of Caspian too.
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SPM is exactly how good you are. Things like rank and win/loss ratio aren't the best indicators of how good someone is but SPM and KDR are. The more stuff you do, the more points you get. Neutralizing flags, capping flags, getting kills, blowing up MCOMs, providing first aid, ammo or repairs to teammates, etc. All those things give you points and all those things are exactly what you are supposed to be doing - going for the objects and helping your teammates - that's the whole point of the game. I do all of those things but can't seem to get my SPM above 425.
 
Khaos Kid said:
SPM is exactly how good you are. Things like rank and win/loss ratio aren't the best indicators of how good someone is but SPM and KDR are. The more stuff you do, the more points you get. Neutralizing flags, capping flags, getting kills, blowing up MCOMs, providing first aid, ammo or repairs to teammates, etc. All those things give you points and all those things are exactly what you are supposed to be doing - going for the objects and helping your teammates - that's the whole point of the game. I do all of those things but can't seem to get my SPM above 425.
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SPM is no better an indication of how good you are than any of the other things you listed. You can be very skilled, and a huge benefit to your team, and still have a low SPM, just be doing something like playing defense instead of circle-jerking checkpoints. Also, the type of server you play on has a huge impact on SPM - 64 person Metro players are going to have a much higher SPM than someone who plays on 32 person Caspian.
 
Forceman said:
SPM is no better an indication of how good you are than any of the other things you listed. You can be very skilled, and a huge benefit to your team, and still have a low SPM, just be doing something like playing defense instead of circle-jerking checkpoints. Also, the type of server you play on has a huge impact on SPM - 64 person Metro players are going to have a much higher SPM than someone who plays on 32 person Caspian.
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Give the man a cigar. You understand this as well as I do.
My point was I am no better now at 715 SPM than I was at 550 I just been playing metro lol
My skill however is low 700s that one I am a little proud of.
 
Forceman said:
SPM is no better an indication of how good you are than any of the other things you listed. You can be very skilled, and a huge benefit to your team, and still have a low SPM, just be doing something like playing defense instead of circle-jerking checkpoints. Also, the type of server you play on has a huge impact on SPM - 64 person Metro players are going to have a much higher SPM than someone who plays on 32 person Caspian.
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How do you figure? SPM and KDR are just about the only thing that tells players how good they are. You get points by doing stuff and if you are good you can do more stuff in a short amount of time (say 2 or 3 kills a minute with some flags capped) than someone who just camps and gets one kill every two or three minutes. You can be the best player in a server but your team still loses. If that happens a lot then you'll have a high SPM but a low W/L ratio. And rank just means you've acquired the correct amount of points to move to the next one. SPM and KDR are based on individual performance. If SPM and KDR don't indicate how good a player is, then none of the stats do. So in that sense, everyone sucks since none of the stats mean anything.
 
I agree with you Khaos but in 64/64 metro I have gone 111-6 camping with a L96 and just raping. I got high spm and KDR although it's fun as hell making them rage it doesn't make me a good player in a lot of people's eyes lol
This is the point I was trying to make I guess.
I do have thousands of flag defends and I am well under Top 200 on battlelog in headshots worldwide and DO NOT play hardcore.
 
Rattle said:
I agree with you Khaos but in 64/64 metro I have gone 111-6 camping with a L96 and just raping. I got high spm and KDR although it's fun as hell making them rage it doesn't make me a good player in a lot of people's eyes lol
This is the point I was trying to make I guess.
I do have thousands of flag defends and I am well under Top 200 on battlelog in headshots worldwide and DO NOT play hardcore.
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I would say 111-6 is pretty damn good, especially if you got that on defense. You certainly did your share of draining the opposing team's tickets which is what defense if supposed to do - if we're talking rush or conquest. I guess I need to play more 64-player servers. I usually just play 24 or 32-player servers.
 
Yes I was speaking of conquest
Metro and Caspian conquest are my favs. I play them totally different from each other obviously.
 
Khaos Kid said:
How do you figure? SPM and KDR are just about the only thing that tells players how good they are. You get points by doing stuff and if you are good you can do more stuff in a short amount of time (say 2 or 3 kills a minute with some flags capped) than someone who just camps and gets one kill every two or three minutes. You can be the best player in a server but your team still loses. If that happens a lot then you'll have a high SPM but a low W/L ratio. And rank just means you've acquired the correct amount of points to move to the next one. SPM and KDR are based on individual performance. If SPM and KDR don't indicate how good a player is, then none of the stats do. So in that sense, everyone sucks since none of the stats mean anything.
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Because the game modes are not comparable. You are going to automatically get a higher SPM if you play exclusively TDM, for example (unless you suck), because of the nature of the game mode. Likewise for the differences between 64 player Metro and 32 player Caspian. The opportunity for points is not even across the entire game.

What about a guy who completely dominates the air-to-air fight? His SPM is going to suck, but he might be doing more for the team, by eliminating the enemy helos, than most of the people on the ground. Likewise you can rack up an infinite KDR if all you do is go 1-0 every round, but you aren't helping your team or being a great player.
 
u guys forgot SKILL. its based on killing people with higher skills than yours or getting killed by those lower
 
Oh I agree that SPM isn't a good indication of skill. I'm not that great at killing but I've been in several matches where I've been like the only one bothering to capture points.
 
otapnam said:
u guys forgot SKILL. its based on killing people with higher skills than yours or getting killed by those lower
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Skill is literally the most broken rating in the game. I've had games where I went like 70/5, several tens of thousands of points, and it went down or stayed the same. It's completely pointless because it punishes you for playing against idiots.


I have a 3.3 kd ratio, over 800 SPM... and less skill rating than some people with around 500 SPM... SPM is far and away the most useful metric on how much you're actually contributing since absolutely everything gives points, and a lot of them if you're doing it well.
 
socK said:
SPM is far and away the most useful metric on how much you're actually contributing since absolutely everything gives points, and a lot of them if you're doing it well.
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Except it is only comparable among similar game types and server sizes (even ticket counts throw it off because you get more ribbons in high ticket games). There is no single stat that gives a complete picture of any player - guys with high SPM think SPM is the thing, guys with high KDR think it is KDR, guys with high skill think it is skill, and guys with lots of wins think it is W/L. It isn't as simple as any one number.
 
socK said:
Skill is literally the most broken rating in the game. I've had games where I went like 70/5, several tens of thousands of points, and it went down or stayed the same. It's completely pointless because it punishes you for playing against idiots.


I have a 3.3 kd ratio, over 800 SPM... and less skill rating than some people with around 500 SPM... SPM is far and away the most useful metric on how much you're actually contributing since absolutely everything gives points, and a lot of them if you're doing it well.
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maybe you should stop playing in noob city?
 
SPM would be relevant if the maps shared a consistent design and there were only one game mode. Since neither of those apply, it's fairly irrelevant, IMO. People who whore Metro all day are likely to be at the top of the SPM chart...
 
Volkum said:
SPM would be relevant if the maps shared a consistent design and there were only one game mode. Since neither of those apply, it's fairly irrelevant, IMO. People who whore Metro all day are likely to be at the top of the SPM chart...
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This. The whole stats shit is irrelevant I wish people didn't pay so much fucking attention to it.
 
I wouldn't expect a patch soon after all the retarded posts from the community on battlelog. Seriously made me ashamed to be a gamer. Sure there's issues but all people do is shit on them post after post...
It was just a PB issue you could have fixed yourself...

I have not noticed any change in fps since the patch.
 
Rattle said:
I wouldn't expect a patch soon after all the retarded posts from the community on battlelog. Seriously made me ashamed to be a gamer. Sure there's issues but all people do is shit on them post after post...
It was just a PB issue you could have fixed yourself...

I have not noticed any change in fps since the patch.
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Seriously, the battlelog forum is full of nothing but immature retards and trolls constantly whining and bitching about everything and shitting on each others stats.
 
Rattle said:
I wouldn't expect a patch soon after all the retarded posts from the community on battlelog. Seriously made me ashamed to be a gamer. Sure there's issues but all people do is shit on them post after post...
It was just a PB issue you could have fixed yourself...

I have not noticed any change in fps since the patch.
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I would say they have a right to be mad considering this is how DICE has always operated. Their patches are few and far between and each one breaks something new. The last big patch was in what? December, and stuff that got broken in that patch is still broken to this day.
 
Khaos Kid said:
SPM is exactly how good you are. Things like rank and win/loss ratio aren't the best indicators of how good someone is but SPM and KDR are. The more stuff you do, the more points you get. Neutralizing flags, capping flags, getting kills, blowing up MCOMs, providing first aid, ammo or repairs to teammates, etc. All those things give you points and all those things are exactly what you are supposed to be doing - going for the objects and helping your teammates - that's the whole point of the game. I do all of those things but can't seem to get my SPM above 425.
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I could sit on a map like 64 player metro doing nothing but dropping ammo boxes to mates and end up bumping my SPM up a few points each round. It's not a good indication of actual skill.
 
castun said:
I could sit on a map like 64 player metro doing nothing but dropping ammo boxes to mates and end up bumping my SPM up a few points each round. It's not a good indication of actual skill.
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this.

100%. Almost all my friends on BL with high SPM spend a decent amount of time in 24/7 metro maps
 
Valshistixol said:
I would say they have a right to be mad considering this is how DICE has always operated. Their patches are few and far between and each one breaks something new. The last big patch was in what? December, and stuff that got broken in that patch is still broken to this day.
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Doesn't excuse the behavior of the majority of people on that forum tho.
 
Khaos Kid said:
How do you figure? SPM and KDR are just about the only thing that tells players how good they are. You get points by doing stuff and if you are good you can do more stuff in a short amount of time (say 2 or 3 kills a minute with some flags capped) than someone who just camps and gets one kill every two or three minutes. You can be the best player in a server but your team still loses. If that happens a lot then you'll have a high SPM but a low W/L ratio. And rank just means you've acquired the correct amount of points to move to the next one. SPM and KDR are based on individual performance. If SPM and KDR don't indicate how good a player is, then none of the stats do. So in that sense, everyone sucks since none of the stats mean anything.
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Neither of those things do. My SPM skyrocketed after just three hours of TDM, increasing by 100. In normal games I am always attacking/defending flags, spotting, resupplying, reviving and healing. I have 3-4 service stars for all classes and haven't even got halfway to one star as recon. All SPM indicates is the density of points acquired, and maps like metro or game modes like TDM are mad for points. It doesn't mean I'm any better on those modes, or that anyone else is.

As far as KDR: lol no. KDR just indicates KDR. Nothing more, nothing less. A supremely average player can have a phenomenal KDR if all they do is farm kills from a tank, or snipe, or sit at the back of the map on an ammo bag and fly into people miles away with the MAV, or sticking to overpowered weapons until they get patched and then moving to the next flavour of the month. People who play like that will have a far higher KDR than people who like to challenge themselves by using "bad" weapons. KDR is so easily abused that it is very rarely indicative of a player's skill. People who routinely play with four teammates in a transport heli, repairing and rinsing footsoldiers, for example, will have a far higher KDR than someone who plays alone and attacks objectives.

Basically the reason so many elements of a player's score are tracked is because there's no single statistic that indicates skill. A high SPM, KDR, skill level, accuracy, resupply/heal score will indicate a good player. A high KDR and SPM but low accuracy, supply/heal or point score will indicate a kill-farming FoTM player. A high KDR and accuracy with low everything else will indicate a camping recon, and so on.
 
Forceman said:
Because the game modes are not comparable. You are going to automatically get a higher SPM if you play exclusively TDM, for example (unless you suck), because of the nature of the game mode. Likewise for the differences between 64 player Metro and 32 player Caspian. The opportunity for points is not even across the entire game.

What about a guy who completely dominates the air-to-air fight? His SPM is going to suck, but he might be doing more for the team, by eliminating the enemy helos, than most of the people on the ground. Likewise you can rack up an infinite KDR if all you do is go 1-0 every round, but you aren't helping your team or being a great player.
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This is very true for pilots, if your in a jet up against another equally skilled pilot, your gonna spend most of your time just trying to get a single kill in. This occupies the enemy pilot and keeps him from harrassing ground forces. Transport pilots and their repair crew get their KDR annihilated but can cause a huge balance shift.
 
Installed BF3 again after playing MW3's free weekend to accurately compare the two. Didn't enjoy BF3 too much the first time around, so I thought I'd try it again.

I had a blast. I am usually the lowest rank in the game (rank five now), but usually come out top five of my team by the end of the round. Even though I'm a low rank, it definitely feels like I can hold my own pretty well with my limited selection of guns and further customization. Can't wait to unlock some more stuff. Okay, back to BF3.
 
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