Bad trader Cross

[operaman]

Well Here is the long and short of it fellas. About a year ago (yes I am stupid) I made a trade with a fellow who goes by Cross on these boards. The trade was as follows:

An Inspiron 8500 with an extra 1 GB stick of RAM for $1050. He was fronting the amount for a client of his. Also in the trade was a deal I had completed with Catsonar for an 8600 for my Inspiron 9100. Cross was the owner of the 8600 and shipped it to Catsonar then it was shipped to me. Cross had said the vid card would be a 9600PT. Well it didn't come with that so he had said he would get it from Dell. I eventually found it on eBay for $237.00. Cross says fine to it so I get it. It was $237 plus $12.99 shipping. So now I am down $1300.(1050+250) You keeping track of this?

So, we agree to the whole deal. I send him the 8500 with a "downpayment" of $224.36 from a Kenneth Cole. I ask him as it is not his paypal account and he tellls me this is the client of his who owes him money and once he has a couple of other deals taken care of including the sale of an Apple iBook I will see the rest of my money. I figure, he has good HEAT, he's entitled to check the goods out, and I never thought twice. I shipped it (Yes I am that stupid)

Well fast forward a bit shall we. I am really an opera singer and was performing a La Boheme in April with my soon to be wife (basically after completing this deal I left to do an opera.) So I still do not have the money. So I call Cross on my cell and we talk. Apparently he is in it with Paypal because he has a dispute over the Apple iBook on eBay concerning the guy thinking he is getting 2 LCD's and not one or some such. It seemed convaluded but heck, he seems like a nice guy and I am making a good profit on this laptop (and making bank doing this opera) so I let it slide. I receive a second payment for $320.00. things look good now. He promises me this will be taken care of soon.

Okay, so let me be up front. I was a wuss, felt sorry for the guy and completely let him slide. I now have what? $544.26 of the $1300 total. When we talked on the phone that time I knocked roughly $200 off since he is in bad shape asking for only $600 more in return. He promises to pay me ASAP.

Fast forward....I have three operas during the summer and let everything just go to hell with this deal. I don't contact him I am slammed learning 300+ pages in Italian and am the lead in all three operas so no rest for me. The question is shouldn't he have contacted ME? shouldn't he have PAID ME? So I am on the internet one night in October (I know, I know a LONG time later) and this guy who was telling me how he was broke, he's in trouble yadayadayada. What do I see? Him on HERE trading a PSP and stuff for a laptop (or trying to) specifically an m6805 and some cash. Let's see.... he owed me $600 still. So I pm him ALL over the place. Anand, HardOCP and here along with the mods. I have every pm I sent him here at Anand and at HardOCP. So if he tries to deny any of this he is dead in the water.

Let me defend one thing. I make really good money singing. I am not hurting from this deal moneywise, but it is the PRINCIPAL that I cut someone slack and they promised to pay me back that is pissing me off. I told him I was hurtng for money because geez, the guy owes me what is fair. He got the goods where is my cash?? I let him slide for months. I want to help people I think are reasonably honest people, because we all have tough times in life. And this quote from the Cold Dark Shadow a Moderator at HardOCP hits home now:

"Yea, thats a long time to be waitin on payment for something.

Drop him a PM sayin what you told me (CC copy of the PM) just lettin him know that i know about this and that he needs to make good ASAP.

Being polite is one thing but come on man, get pissed youve waited long enough. Tell him you want your payment in full for whats owed or youll have to prosue other means of collection,"

After letting him slide with the mods (he had a baby on the way and was out of work, and having legal issues with his landlord or some such) I being a bleed hearted wuss let him slide and don't report him to troll hunters or anything. I just let him be. I give him another chance (YES I am stupid, STUPID!!!). So he gets me a payment in late october for $140 and $140 in december. So we are at what? 600-140-140 or 320? I was off by $30 in my pm to him (I told him $350 on 2/24/06 my bad )

Now we are in April more than a year after the deal began. His pm's are smug and accusing me of OVER ESTIMATING what he owes me and the most I can expect is $100 two weeks from now when he gets paid at work.. Never mind he was ready to drop $800 on a laptop here just 7 days ago:

http://www.notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=145741

Here is his quote in case he gets wise and edits his post.

I have 800 if thats good enough ^-^

$800 went fast I guess didn't Cross??

I got docs, I got paypal receipts and a good deal of this is going straight to Trollhunters as well as Anandtech and HardOCP. This deal began here and at the [H] and was consumated over pm over all three (Including pm's from you profusely apologizing saying you would make it right Well you didn't quite get it done did you?). So I feel an obligation to let people know what kind of trader they are dealing with.

Am I innocent? Nope. I was stupid, trusting. and frankly I flat out didn't follow up. But I ask you: Does this negligence on my part to force him to pay me mean I deserve to be ripped off? (He promised to pay me off and I DISCOUNTED the amount by $255.74 to help him out and get it resolved.) I think he should pay up. So Here it is. If he wants to try to defend himself and say anything otherwise I got pm's and lots of back up docs to shoot any of his half truths down.

I tried Elliot to be fair, I tried to let you slide, and you took advantage of me and I will be damned if you take advantage of someone else...

Richard

PS: This has been the ONLY bad trade I have ever had in my dealings. So to all the others on this board, the [H], and Anand, thank you. You have been good communities to me and allowed me to afford my tech addiction without pissing off the wife,

 

[Cross]

"I was involved in a transaction with Operaman, he did nothing wrong and I fronted for someone else. The deal went completely wrong and I took the responsibility and still do. I accept the results of such action and do not hide from this laptop transaction.

It was for a dell 8600, I was to sell a Sony Vaio, the deal is outlined by Operaman. Either way I am at fault and accept the consiquences of this acception and deal.

Thanks Cross"

I posted this as promised. I agree'd to your original settlemet you decided you wanted more then that (I sent 260 so you said I was trying to track everything down, your original offer for pay off was 350 I offered to make that you declined and asked for more). Sorry I am done I accept the response this generates.


On ther laptop, yup I did buy one at a local store posted it here I believe to. I was never smug to yo I just wanted to know wy you made a pay off offer then kept upping it. I offered to meet that amount and you wanted more, as I said. I am at fault as well and I still do not deny it. Thats all I can do.
Good Luck Operaman.

 

[operaman]

Thanks oh and Mr. Cross got caught in another lie.

I asked him for 300 on 2-24-06

Hey,

I know have been working on finishing up this deal for a while. I am in real need to finish it up now with me moving out of the country. I am wanting to tie up any loose ends. So let me know ASAP when we can get it done. I think we sit at 300 even. All the monetary help I can get is very helpful as moving to Germany will not be cheap.

Richard

Here was his response:

Ok I have a deposit so far for a deal as soon as it finishes I should have 150 or so extra but I am not sure I can pull 300 yet. I am doing as many things as I can to try here pulling things together. I know its not the fastest but I am def trying my best to make money from trading as I have been.

Either way let me see what I can pull over the 150+/- I have been working on a car deal but I am not sure if its going to be quick or not. My othe car project has been supposed to be front of the line with the fabricator for two months and no progress has been made...

How much did he send? Try nada...

Oh and Elliot, the Mods can check the time stamps on these pm's and see that you are lying. Better to come clean admit you are wrong and just fess up...

ALL PM's listed above courtesy of notebookforums.com. Mods can verify timestamps so this guy is so pathetic he is willing to LIE to protect his rep., I am over it. He lied to me dealing with him here (Part of the deal and issue happened here check with CDS)

 

[modding_JunKy]

u waited to long it went stail you should have acted on ot when it happened

he would be free to go in my book but thats me... stop argueing it wastes time and forums space lol

thats my 2cents no need to reply or quote me im done here i came i saw i read i posted thats about it!!

good luck both of you in the future

 

[smut]

THis is a really horrible situation. Bottom line is Cross you owe this guy money. You should have never bought the laptop in the first place without being able to afford it. What store would lets you take an expensive laptop, take it home, use it months, be late on payments, pay a little bit every once in awhile, then lets you slide and takes almost $300 off the original deal then lets it slide for alot longer. NONE, operaman deserves his money! bottom line

 

[smut]

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[Cross]

Sorry but first I was just a go through on this I vouched for someone else. As for anything else against me? Sorry theres nothing. I have had problems with 3 other traders two on hard one on craigs list that I can remember. (Where I filed the complant for problems with them)

Anyway we agree'd in the beginning to 350 to pay it off because I never got the laptop, I never made any money I just helpped someone who had no ref's.

I agreed and sent 280 of it then he askes for another 300 and says he will take 250? So lets see 350 -280 = another 300? My math says 70. I agreed to send him another 100 but flat out I am not going to let him push the price up on a deal that I was just a name in.

End of story so like I said, say what you want I will accept it. I have done just as many trades here with laptop sales and others. No problems have come up on my end and many out there have dealt with me in deals.

Problems happen I accepted my role in it but having it all fall on me and he refuses to go after the person who actually has his laptop because I am conveniont (SP?) Sorry I am sick of this. I do have a family and I am sick of being the only one he wants money from.

Where was everyone helping me to get my funding from paypal when I sold a powerbook G4 800mhz for 1000 and the guy did a charge back through his credit card and kept both the Ti book and the money? (It was a powerbook not an ibook) I finally just gave up fighting paypal on that one. (This is in regards to posts on NB and Anandtech forums not here I just copied and pasted but wanted users here to know everyone here has been great with the two issues I had here.)

Either way My own deals that have turned sour are things I have dealt with, yet in this deal I did what I could was willing to go a little higher but when the pay off changes from when we contacted eachother again and all I was was a name in it with nothing to show for what I am spending. Sorry not going to continue to have someone say, hey now you owe me over 3 times the balance and I still think only you should pay it

 

[troisanh]

not to take sides but smut does have a point.

 

[Filter]

sorry cross doesnt matter who you vouched for or who has the laptop now. you were the one he was dealing with so its on you and noone else.

 

[Cross]

Like I said I accept the judgement of my peers here but flat out I am not going to let someone blame it soley on me, even if I accept it all and make an agreement to settle at 350 the add another 300 at then end (After I paid 280 of it) because he wants more money. *shrug*

 

[operaman]

Also read this:

I found them as well and I know ur not posting about ur original pay off offer. Go for it like I said, you have all you need to out in the forums :thumbup:

I do not expect to be liked for this deal but I am done with it ^-^

I still hope you have a nice night/day :thumbup:

MY ORIGINAL PAYOFF OFFER? POST IT BUDDY. Go ahead. Pay me the $300 you owe me and this stops. You REALLY owe me 524.64. But hey, I will let the 224.64 slide. You want like $500 to slide. No happening. Pay me the $300 or quit trading.

I also got time stamps on the pm's from 2/24/06. The mods can check this. I have cc'd mods and want them to check the time stamps on my pms. I have nothing to hide here.

And Mods, I know you grt all kinds of crazy stuff. I appreciate you taking the time to check this out because I know you deal with a lot already. THANK YOU :cheers:

Richard

These are pm's from notebook forums. He is not repentent. He is moving on. He also had $800 to drop a week ago here:

http://www.notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=145741

Then he pm's me this earlier:

Wait so ur pissed at me for asking why you changed from a 350 pay of and sent me two payments showing 140 although they appear to be the same so I will let you correct that (On your complaint about how I got you paid, sorry deal with it you wanted money I did what I could).
I have been polite but if you want to nail me go for it, your pissed because I know I paid around 250+ already of the 350 you said would originally pay it off. You want it now so I offer to meet that amount and you more then double it? I asked why and ur pissed?
I am the one with nothing to show as well here so remember that as well.
I have been nice and let you threaten me back and forth. You claim to be leaving and then show back up, fine. You dissappear for months then come back?
Nail me go for it, if that makes you happy I do not care. I was willing to send more money but you want to add to it from the original words out of your mouth and I have back ups of everything to.
If you want it to fight eachother sure, ok. I have never backed away from this, so sure I am fine with it. I asked a question and you complain about how I paid in the past and other things but please go ahead with that, I had friends send money when I had no paypal. Its what I had access to.
I am not sending any further funding then 100 and I am not sending tha for 2 weeks when I get paid again. Sorry thats the way it has to be I have nothing to send you. I have no credit cards and yes I bought a laptop, I have sold them to. Either way you agreed to a 350 or so payoff I asked if you could find the PM's faster for me and you got pissed at me for it. I will find it and what I have sent you and finish that. Thats what you wanted thats what I will send, that was your original request.
Sorry you had to be upset with me, I never walked away from anything. I did every thing I could to take money where it was not and get it to you. You set the pay off, yes I would have liked to done more but you set it. You asked for it now before you leave (again u said this before) I said ok. Tried to find the remaining balance and you got pissed! I was more then willing to set up a final payment now that things have finally turned around and you seemed upset that paying it off at your original price was what I choose. You wanted it paid off I agree'd that right now that would be best to do the amount you requested.
Have a nice night. Guess we will see where the dust settles *shrug*

He has no backup or he would post it. He can't defend his actions because he cannot. He is a liar, and he never paid me from 2/24/06. HE EVEN ADMITS HE BOUGHT A LAPTOP OWING ME MONEY. And he wonders why I am pissed??!!! He is a bad trader and should either pay up or be banned.

 

[operaman]

Like I said I accept the judgement of my peers here but flat out I am not going to let someone blame it soley on me, even if I accept it all and make an agreement to settle at 350 the add another 300 at then end (After I paid 280 of it) because he wants more money. *shrug*

I ASKED FOR THE 300 ON 2/24/06. this was your response you !@##!@#~~!!! liar:

Ok I have a deposit so far for a deal as soon as it finishes I should have 150 or so extra but I am not sure I can pull 300 yet. I am doing as many things as I can to try here pulling things together. I know its not the fastest but I am def trying my best to make money from trading as I have been.
Either way let me see what I can pull over the 150+/- I have been working on a car deal but I am not sure if its going to be quick or not. My othe car project has been supposed to be front of the line with the fabricator for two months and no progress has been made...

I have received NOTHING since 12/30/05. This was 2/24/06. You KNOW you owe me $300. Why woulld I agree to a 355 pay out way back off of 800 DOLLARS??!!! I am not stupid. I knocked a couple hundred off to be kind and now you want to obscure the facts and walk away from this deal. It should be noted until I got mods involved the first time you didn't reply. But hey, you are an honest guy right? And try to dispute ANY OF THIS. I got Cold Dark Shadow to verify this, and the Anandtech Mod to verify this. Who you got?? Oh, and they both said I was a fool to not nail you sooner. They were calling troll months ago. I should have listened....

 

[operaman]

Bump because I want a resolution to this. Pay me the $300 and we will bedone with this Cross...


Locked for now - Cold Dark Shadow