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Audio Lag

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SAgosto

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This setup was working for me for years so I am guessing it must be a software related. However, given the amount of time has passed before I noticed it, I doubt I could pin point the Windows Update/Software Install.

I replaced my old DJ CD turntables with new ones (http://www.geminidj.com/cdj-600) which is connected via RCA cables into a GEMINI 626 PRO mixer and then RCA cables into an AUDIO JACK into a GIGABYTE AM2 AMD 690V Micro ATX (GA-MA69VM-S2) motherboard where Logitech X530 5.1 surround sound speaks are used for sound.

The problem is simple but I can't seem to figure it out. There is a lag in the speakers connected to the PC vs the sound that comes out of my headphones connected to the mixer. It's a slight lag but it's very noticeable when mixing. It's impossible to even use the setup given the delay.

I have tried different headphones to confirm that the audio going into the mixer occurs BEFORE the audio that comes out of the PC. There are even 2 beatlights that occur on the mixer that confirms what I hear in the headphones is the same that goes into the mixer and that there is a delay with the audio out of the speakers.

I have reinstalled the audio drivers but still the same problem?
 
I'll read up as I have never heard of it.

Any idea on what is happening? Obviously, I am not the only one using this setup?
 
Your mixer might already be using ASIO and your regular PC output isn't. Thus your regular PC would have a longer delay because WASAPI isn't as fast as ASIO.
 
+1 for ASIO

Rule 1 for home music recording/production is Interface setup with ASIO on 512 sample buffer, then tweak from there.

Install ASIO4All as SirMaster linked, have a play around with the latency. I would advise on getting an external dedicated USB I/O device like the Alesis I|O 2 to avoid such problems in the future, give you superior quality and also MIDI options.
 
Rossi~ said:
+1 for ASIO

Rule 1 for home music recording/production is Interface setup with ASIO on 512 sample buffer, then tweak from there.

Install ASIO4All as SirMaster linked, have a play around with the latency. I would advise on getting an external dedicated USB I/O device like the Alesis I|O 2 to avoid such problems in the future, give you superior quality and also MIDI options.
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Sounds too easy. I'll try it out.

I guess I could skip the PC but I want to record.
 
Is there a UI to using this? I installed it and noticed no difference at all?
 
Well you should get an icon down by your clock when you are using a program that outputs via ASIO. So go into the output settings of the application that is making the sound and tell it to use ASIO as opposed to "DirectSound" or whatever they may call it.

Once you see the ASIO4ALL icon by your clock click it and then select which output device you want to use like your onboard or whatever. You can edit latencies and stuff in there too.
 
SirMaster said:
Well you should get an icon down by your clock when you are using a program that outputs via ASIO. So go into the output settings of the application that is making the sound and tell it to use ASIO as opposed to "DirectSound" or whatever they may call it.

Once you see the ASIO4ALL icon by your clock click it and then select which output device you want to use like your onboard or whatever. You can edit latencies and stuff in there too.
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The application making the sound is an external device (mixer via CD player).
 
SAgosto said:
Sounds too easy. I'll try it out.

I guess I could skip the PC but I want to record.
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You have a couple options here. If you're using onboard sound you _really_ don't want to try to monitor through the sound card. It's workable with a decent card that's designed with low latency in mind, but all the tweaking in the world and ASIO drivers won't change this fact.

Essentially your options are to get a sound card that allows direct monitoring of the input signal, or to monitor directly from the mixer output. Typically even low end mixers have a booth out and a main out, and many also have a record out. What you would ideally do is wire the record out to the input on your onboard sound and the speakers to the booth or main out.

Then you can wire the computer's output into the spare channel. From what i can see the 626 is a 3 channel mixer so I'd personally go

left channel -> left cdj
center channel -> PC output
right channel -> right cdj

This will allow you to have zero latency monitoring, still record, and also you will still be able to use the same speakers for your computer(though, not in 5.1 obviously.)
 
nathancipher said:
You have a couple options here. If you're using onboard sound you _really_ don't want to try to monitor through the sound card. It's workable with a decent card that's designed with low latency in mind, but all the tweaking in the world and ASIO drivers won't change this fact.

Essentially your options are to get a sound card that allows direct monitoring of the input signal, or to monitor directly from the mixer output. Typically even low end mixers have a booth out and a main out, and many also have a record out. What you would ideally do is wire the record out to the input on your onboard sound and the speakers to the booth or main out.

Then you can wire the computer's output into the spare channel. From what i can see the 626 is a 3 channel mixer so I'd personally go

left channel -> left cdj
center channel -> PC output
right channel -> right cdj

This will allow you to have zero latency monitoring, still record, and also you will still be able to use the same speakers for your computer(though, not in 5.1 obviously.)
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So, using the ASIO application with onboard sound won't fix this problem? I am still not sure what caused this problem. Hardware didn't change yet I am now noticing this problem? I used this setup for years without any issue. I guess perhaps I should just eliminate the PC as it is causing me issues but I did want to record.

Per the manual (http://media.musicalplanet.com/pdf/GMN031.PDF), I do have booth, master, and record output. I COULD use the Logitech Adapter ([ame="http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Console-Adapter-Convert-Single-Pc/dp/B0006U3ACY/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_1"]Amazon.com: Logitech 5.1 Game Console Adapter Convert Rca Plugs To A Single 1/8: Video Games@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21uswx0eHJL.@@AMEPARAM@@21uswx0eHJL[/ame]) to connect to the speakers directly but that would force me not to be able to use them for the PC? I do have a pair of 12" woofers but that just accept typical speaker wire. Would I need another AV unit to boost the signal? I need to google a way to connect RCA to these speakers if not. I could then run the RECORD (or the booth) to the PC and let it record.
 
As far as being able to use your speakers for your PC and DJ setup simultaneously, you can definitely do that if you send your PC's output to one of the mixer channels. You will need that adapter you listed or something similar to get signal out of all the speakers from the mixer. As for the subs, I'm not 100% sure how these fit into your setup, do you have them in use currently?
 
nathancipher said:
As far as being able to use your speakers for your PC and DJ setup simultaneously, you can definitely do that if you send your PC's output to one of the mixer channels. You will need that adapter you listed or something similar to get signal out of all the speakers from the mixer. As for the subs, I'm not 100% sure how these fit into your setup, do you have them in use currently?
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I mentioned the subs as other speakers I can use strictly for audio as the current speakers would be used for the PC.

Why would i have to use the PC's output for anything? I was thinking that the mixer would use 2 channels (1 to the PC for record *and previously for audio to the speakers*) and the other to the newly mentioned subs. I would need to figure out how to connect my RCA speakers to the subs... I guess hack the RCA plug?
 
Unless those subs are powered, and also have mids and highs, they're probably not going to work out for you in the way you mention
 
It WOULD work with the Logitech as it's powered but I'd have to get that stupid adapter and then I'd be without speakers for the PC. Ugh.
 
You can definitely have the computer hooked up to the speakers, just not directly. I looked at the manual for your mixer and just have the PC out go to channel one, and the cdj's go to 2 & 3. If you want to hear the pc's audio, bring up channel 1. If you just want to mix, bring down channel 1 and use 2 and 3 for the cdj's. Simple as that.
 
nathancipher said:
You can definitely have the computer hooked up to the speakers, just not directly. I looked at the manual for your mixer and just have the PC out go to channel one, and the cdj's go to 2 & 3. If you want to hear the pc's audio, bring up channel 1. If you just want to mix, bring down channel 1 and use 2 and 3 for the cdj's. Simple as that.
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Please explain.
 
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That's what I thought you said.

What is the purpose of "pc line out to mixer channel 1". Is that to send to the speakers via adapter? If so, wouldn't that give me the same lag I am trying to avoid?
 
nope, because you would only use that when you were say watching a movie and need the speakers

when you use your cdj's it will no longer be going through the computer except for recording purposes
 
nathancipher said:
nope, because you would only use that when you were say watching a movie and need the speakers

when you use your cdj's it will no longer be going through the computer except for recording purposes
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Thank you sir.
 
I reinstalled the audo drivers for the mobo which reinstalled the Realtek HD Audio Manager which instantly fixed the problem. No noticeable latency. Odd.
 
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