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ATi vs. NVIDIA video performance?

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Is there a difference in video performance from ATi or NVIDIA?
I personally have ATi, but it is old 9600 and does not have Avivo. It is very good when it comes to DVD playback on may 20" widescreen LCD.
What is your experiance with Avivo from ATi on x1k seriess or PureVideo from NVIDIA on 7k series?
 
B737 Captain said:
Is there a difference in video performance from ATi or NVIDIA?
I personally have ATi, but it is old 9600 and does not have Avivo. It is very good when it comes to DVD playback on may 20" widescreen LCD.
What is your experiance with Avivo from ATi on x1k seriess or PureVideo from NVIDIA on 7k series?
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So far all of the reviews i have read point to avivo being better not to mention Purevideo costs extra and avivo is free.
 
pfunkman said:
So far all of the reviews i have read point to avivo being better not to mention Purevideo costs extra and avivo is free.
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AVIVO does not work on his card. If you want h.264 playback on AVIVO you have to pay for it.

Yes you would see an improvement over your curent card if you had a card that supported Pure Video or AVIVO.
 
pfunkman said:
So far all of the reviews i have read point to avivo being better not to mention Purevideo costs extra and avivo is free.
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Then I don't think you've read many. Here is one from anandtech. There's also another from Firingsquad, but it's a video and it really isn't a review...so much as some guy blathering on for a good eight minutes about cards with HDCP support.
 
quadnad said:
Then I don't think you've read many. Here is one from anandtech. There's also another from Firingsquad, but it's a video and it really isn't a review...so much as some guy blathering on for a good eight minutes about cards with HDCP support.
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Ummm you should delete your post as it's based on a test done in October of 2005. It wasn't until Catalyst 5.13 that AVIVO was implemented.

Here's a REAL test: dominATIon

AVIVO is years ahead of Purevideo when it comes to Video Quality.. even under H.264. Only with H.264 ATi's performance isn't as good as nVIDIA's.. but the quality is not comparable.
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
AVIVO is years ahead of Purevideo when it comes to Video Quality...
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:rolleyes:

Anandtech said:
The subjective numbers add up to pretty much summarize our experience with ATI's Avivo at this point. While neither ATI nor NVIDIA produced a perfect solution, at this point, Avivo is definitely a step behind NVIDIA's PureVideo in terms of de-interlacing quality.
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Just because Anandtechs review does not fit whatever world you live in that does not invalidate it. They used AVIVO drivers directly from ATI.

Go check AVS Forum (best place for all things audio and video).
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
Ummm you should delete your post as it's based on a test done in October of 2005. It wasn't until Catalyst 5.13 that AVIVO was implemented.

Here's a REAL test: dominATIon

AVIVO is years ahead of Purevideo when it comes to Video Quality.. even under H.264. Only with H.264 ATi's performance isn't as good as nVIDIA's.. but the quality is not comparable.
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Elmo, you need to realize that in the Anandtech review they are using a 7600GT, which is running a newer hardware version of Purevideo than the 6600GT in the FiringSquad review. It may be an earlier review than Firingsquad's (by only two months) but it's using the proper hardware (in both generation and price range), proper drivers, and shows that Nvidia has a better overall implementation.
 
review from ExtremeTech from January 31, 2006, anyone knows about any newer ones ?

Clearly, ATI offers better video support in their latest graphics cards than Nvidia does. They dominate the HQV benchmark tests, offer much lower CPU utilization for DVD playback, and offer solutions for acceleration H.264 and DivX (though one requires a specific codec and the other a specific player). In really tough video scenarios, like those with odd cadence patterns or noisy DVDs, ATI delivers better quality. Their de-interlacing algorithms seem just a little bit better, too.

*snip*

If all you do is watch downloaded clips and movie trailers, both ATI and Nvidia's hardware will give you a very similar experience. If you're a hardcore video nut that is willing to jump through a few codec and player-related hoops, and if you have a lot of funky DVDs or watch a lot of TV on your PC, ATI is clearly the better choice
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PRIME1 said:
AVIVO does not work on his card. If you want h.264 playback on AVIVO you have to pay for it.

Yes you would see an improvement over your curent card if you had a card that supported Pure Video or AVIVO.
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He didnt ask about his card... He asked about differences between the X1K series and the 7 series.

read before you respond.

quadnad said:
Then I don't think you've read many. Here is one from anandtech. There's also another from Firingsquad, but it's a video and it really isn't a review...so much as some guy blathering on for a good eight minutes about cards with HDCP support.
Today 09:41 AM
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have read plenty of reviews and have seen 0 out of at least 6-7 that agree with you. In fact since Avivo has been implemented most reviewers consider that one of ATIs selling points over Nvidia. Just look at maximum PC since may they have been saying the same thing everytime they review a card.
 
prime1 is just an nv !!!!!!, so you myswell block out everything he says if you want an unbiased opinion. I've heard good things of avivo, and not much of purevideo, but have used neither.
 
Spank said:
review from ExtremeTech from January 31, 2006, anyone knows about any newer ones ?
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From the review...


. Nvidia does not yet offer a driver enabling H.264 acceleration
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:rolleyes: Sounds like a real balanced review.

NVIDIA had h.264 support out before ATI......odd how they missed that.
 
Oh4Sh0 said:
prime1 is just an nv !!!!!!, so you myswell block out everything he says if you want an unbiased opinion. I've heard good things of avivo, and not much of purevideo, but have used neither.
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Hey I call it as I see it. Saying something is "years ahead" and then dismissing links that prove him wrong....what does that make?
 
PRIME1 said:
From the review...




:rolleyes: Sounds like a real balanced review.

NVIDIA had h.264 support out before ATI......odd how they missed that.
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It was march when the first drivers where released from Nvidia supporting h.264

Ati had drivers out supporting it in december...

Your wrong..
 
I've read every purevideo/avivo related review that's come along, and overall purevideo and avivo have been trading blows. Purevideo took an early lead, then a driver update put avivo ahead, then another driver update put purevideo back in the lead and that's where it currently sits.

Overall purevideo has better de-interlacing for HD video, but this is likely to change again in the future with newer drivers from ATi.

The average user would never be able to tell the difference between the two, so I wouldn't base a purchase off of the current state of video performance.

EDIT: The last review I read, was that video review at the firingsquad which seems to be down currently...if you can get that working, it probably has the info you're looking for.
 
That was very interesting discussion/fight and I thank you for all that info and comments. It certainly helped.
All the best to all [H]ard|Forum members.

Off topic: I recommend you the newest South Park episode "Make peace not WarCraft", which you can also find on Yoytube. It's very funny.
 
PRIME1 said:
:rolleyes:


Just because Anandtechs review does not fit whatever world you live in that does not invalidate it. They used AVIVO drivers directly from ATI.

Go check AVS Forum (best place for all things audio and video).
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UH?

Anandtech's review (you posted) was done before the release of the Catalyst 5.13 drivers. Stop the mis-information kiddies.

Catalyst 5.13's introduced AVIVO, before that the features was not supporte din the drivers. Your anandtech review is from October of 2005. Catalyst 5.13 was released December 22nd of 2005.

Here's another link to a review.

Again stop lying you two. Not good for your reputation.
 
^eMpTy^ said:
I've read every purevideo/avivo related review that's come along, and overall purevideo and avivo have been trading blows. Purevideo took an early lead, then a driver update put avivo ahead, then another driver update put purevideo back in the lead and that's where it currently sits.

Overall purevideo has better de-interlacing for HD video, but this is likely to change again in the future with newer drivers from ATi.

The average user would never be able to tell the difference between the two, so I wouldn't base a purchase off of the current state of video performance.

EDIT: The last review I read, was that video review at the firingsquad which seems to be down currently...if you can get that working, it probably has the info you're looking for.
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That review still showed that although Purevideo made some strides it was still far behind.

AVIVO is still ahead by almost a full generation.

Here another review... again.. AVIVO ahead of Purevideo.
AVIVO > Purevideo
 
i'll leave it at this, ATI's implementation for a multimedia stand point is better than nvidia's on the hardware level most of the time.. but when their software/drivers fail over and over and over and you have to wipe your os. and install drivers in a specific order to get the top notch performance and quality.. vs nvidia which generally work almost every time.. no matter the order they were installed...


i would pick nvidia and could live with the slight if even noticable (when not in a freeze frame state) less quality purely for the lack of hassle

and before you start to give me shit, i own a 9600xt aiw i love the hardware design, i like the software WHEN it works..

but i wont purchase another ati card for the fact that i was spending more time fighting the drivers/software than using it and it still wasn't all that great from the usability standpoint, even if the quality *looked* better in a freeze frame!!

and the only reason ati is better quality is that they were trying to kiss ass and get all the contracts for the set top boxes before everyone else did, and now nearly every major cable provider that has a dvr, uses an ATI all in one media chipset for digital media services... and their hardware is that good when the software/drivers that control it, is programmed properly and bug free (i hope AMD can fix this situation)
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
Stop the mis-information kiddies.
[SNIP]
Again stop lying you two. Not good for your reputation.
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I don't appreciate you patronizing me. Now perhaps you were using an older handle (I don't remember your post count being so low) but I have always remembered your obvious bias towards ATi. Although I own an Nvidia card currently, I have no issue recommending ATi cards over Nvidia cards, and have done so in the past.

What I posted was a perfectly valid review that specifically noted that they were using drivers running AVIVO (Albiet no h.264 support). Either you were incorrect in stating that they didn't have AVIVO before that driver release, or Anandtech was using the driver before ATi released it. So don't call me a liar. That FiringSquad review you posted was useless because it was running a 6600GT (which is using much older versions of PureVideo) versus an X1800XT. Also, that Elitebastards 'review' was nothing but a preview of the new drivers.

However, the ExtremeTech review does favor the ATi cards though I haven't seen one running a 79XX series card yet. I'd be interested in seeing a new review of the X1900 and 79XX series cards to see if anything has changed.
 
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