solobaricsrock
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to each his own i guess......
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Well, maybe I don't like them from an aesthetic point of view (hurray for the SLI bridge) and maybe I don't like using a separate mastercard for my setup. Not only that, but I think it's easier to sell two standard cards than a standard and mastercard once next-gen cards are around.Tigerblade said:This kinda statement always bewilders me. Do you frequently stare at the rear of your case admiring it? I see no other reason as to why you'd have a problem with it......
WHY do ppl have this obsessive problem with the dongle configuration? So much so they will not buy a product because of it? I always thought it was price/performance that was the main issue with video cards.....maybe I was wrong
roflcopter said:Not only that, but I think it's easier to sell two standard cards than a standard and mastercard once next-gen cards are around.
solobaricsrock said:I want what hes smoking......
Coolman, re-read the review, and you see that the XTX only wins in 2 or 3 of the framerate scores (2 of the 3 are in crossfire at that).......Where are you basing this from???? Im not flaming, as im impressed, but the 7950, while not able to do AA+HDR in oblivion (which I dont play anyways) still has an edge.
roflcopter said:Not only that, but I think it's easier to sell two standard cards than a standard and mastercard once next-gen cards are around.
D4hPr0 said:Seems like a nice card, but Ill probably wait for the next gen. Kyle or Brent, any chance you boys will do a run with the X1950 Crossfire on a C2D X6800 just for shits and giggles??? Would love to see if the new cards let the C2D stretch its legs a bit more @ higher res.
Anarchist4000 said:I thought all the X1K series cards were "compliant" but none of the AIB partners actually built in support for it. The chips themselves have always had the capability they just needed to be liscensed and activated.
Both. The 7800GT vs. the 7800GS was no competition on the part of AGP. Unfortunately I still know a good amount of people using AGP. Actually out of all my friends I am the only one using PCI-E.Lothar the Lotharian said:I was guessing that the x1900 might be pumping out too much data for the AGP bus to handle, so that would be a reason why not to go AGP with it. Either that, or the board manufacturers are trying to eliminate the AGP board process because the money's just not there anymore.
Yeah, that's what I really need: more cable clutter (my pc is in my livingroom). And when I have to sell the card, I have to sell it with the message: Free cable clutter included! I wouldn't buy one 2nd hand.sam0t said:There is a very clear statement in HardOCP review about this one, which effectively turns this statement into nothing.
edit:
Ok I must be becoming senile or something since I cannot find the line from [H] review, so I quote Anandtech:
"Before we close, one reminder to people who really want the X1950 XTX: don't buy it. Pick up the X1950 CrossFire instead. For the same price and performance you get a much more versatile solution. If you really need both DVI outputs, the CrossFire dongle supports that as well, so all you're doing is adding a small amount of cable clutter."
razor1 said:The increaesd memory freaquencies really won't make much of a change, I'm suprised in games like BF2 the bandwidth didn't help much at all, I really expected that game to be bandwidth bottlenecked. Seems like most games are still fillrate or shader bottlenecked, very suprising even with the increased texture size.
roflcopter said:That will probably result in a lot of flaming and banning, so no thanx.
Nice to see they reworked the dreaded HSF. The performance gain isn't that spectacular but okay and it's good to see that Ati is trying new stuff like GDDR4 and not selling it for a premium price. Now lose the dongles and I might even buy an Ati card next upgrade.
Puterguru said:Meh, good review as far as numbers but there were a few things I didn't like.
Quote "Image Quality
We cant say enough about the great image quality produced by the ATI Radeon X1900/X1950 series"
A few screenshots would have been nice?
Quote PREY
"Wow does this game look incredible at 2560x1600!"
A few screenshots would have been nice?
Also there was no 1920x1200 "Dual GPU Review" - This is going to be the sweet spot with up and coming games being more graphically intense and will require even more memory bandwith yet we can only guess what kind of frame rates we might get with a X1950 XTX CrossFire setup at this resolution.
Yeah, I seem to remember that they were not going to cater to paper launches. I guess that's changed. They did not even mention availability.roflcopter said:That's a legit question since HardOCP didn't review the X1800XT before it was available for us consumers. Maybe Kyle and Brent changed their minds on this subject. Good for them and good for us.
Skirrow said:I'm a little confused with the single card Oblivion scores. Coz i play on a 2405 with an 1900xtx at 1920x1200 and get an average of approx 30fps outdoors, 40fps in towns and 60fps in dungeons. Only time it dips to around 20fps is in the meadows near Anvil. I DONT have AF on though. But i'd rather have grass and shadows than AA or AF. Looks far nicer. Plus my system (in sig) aint as fast as the reviews.
Wonder if the beta drivers could be the problem?
Also, i wonder if you can use a CF 1950 with an older 1900XTX?
Tigerblade said:This kinda statement always bewilders me. Do you frequently stare at the rear of your case admiring it? I see no other reason as to why you'd have a problem with it......
WHY do ppl have this obsessive problem with the dongle configuration? So much so they will not buy a product because of it? I always thought it was price/performance that was the main issue with video cards.....maybe I was wrong
DoomRulz said:Great read.
I'm impressed, this new card is POWERFUL. But I'd still wait for Quad SLi drivers to mature a little before it's written in stone that 2x X1950s in CF beat 2x GX2s in Quad.
PRIME1 said:Yeah, I seem to remember that they were not going to cater to paper launches. I guess that's changed. They did not even mention availability.
Still looks like a nice card, it just that you can't even buy one.
Lothar the Lotharian said:I enjoyed this article, but I'm interested...you made mention of the upgrades to the 1600 and 1300 series, and the price points are amazing, but will they come in AGP?
Before all of you slam me, I still have clients that haven't made the leap to PCI, so it's a viable question when we start considering that these are 'budget' cards, and if the client's cost has to include a new motherboard, budget starts going out the window.
Tigerblade said:I agree with that from a price standpoint, but from what I've read the x1950 mastercard is going to retail at the same price as the slave. Time will tell if this is true, but at least it's a big step in the right direction.
Brent_Justice said:Yes, it is a good thing that the CrossFire Edition is now the same price as the X1950 XTX.
At the same time though this is a bad thing if say you purchase an X1900 XT for $280 and want a dual-GPU solution you then have to spend much more money to get the CrossFire Edition at $450. It is too bad you can't just get two X1900 XT's at the same price and "CrossFire" them which is how NVIDIA SLI works.
Brent_Justice said:Actually, I saw the memory increase greatly help in BF2. I was able to do 6X "Quality ADAA" with the X1950 XTX versus 6X Perf ADAA (which is 4X on alpha textures) with the X1900 XTX. That is a bump from 4X to 6X Alpha Texture AA. On the X1900 XTX with 6X Quality ADAA I was seeing framerates in the teens around grass and trees, but with the X1950 XTX with 6X Q ADAA it was now 40 FPS! I was shocked how large the improvement was.
it seams convienient that the ATI guys keep throwing the ASAA/HDR thing in our faces. Well, technicly, ATI cant do it either except in Oblivion (which I dont even play) without a patch.......how is that an advantage??? Im not going to spend 5 hours looking over a picture of gameplay to say "OMFG that one texture is faded!!!!" or some shit like that. Usually I play a game to PLAY THE GAME.......see what Im saying????
Ok but.....Brent_Justice said:Time limitations, I had to scale back a whole bunch from what I really wanted to do. We will do more with add-in-board partner cards.
Ah good old 3DFX...when dinosaurs roamed the earth In those days you couldn't expect any better, but now in the year 2006 I would expect a more elegant solution for a multi-gpu solution I guess.John Bo said:As if all your peripherals (including monitor) are wireless.
I had a dongle for my 3dFX cards back in the day and didn't give a damn because the dongle is on the back of the PC with a rat's nest of other wires.