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I baught a GTX late in it's run (only three months ago) and boy am I glad I didn't wait for the R600.
/me hugs my 8800GTX.
/me hugs my 8800GTX.
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First off I have to say that I bet nV just sold thousands upon thousands more G80's with reviews like this lol.
Now on to what I have to contribute. I have a Bad Axe 2, so what I actually want to see is 2900XT CrossFire vs. a single 8800GTX(what I currently have), since my mobo can only dual dual cards in the form of CrossFire. I plan on getting a 24" monitor very soon with 1920x1200 res so maybe the 2900XT will be better there. Also about CrossFire and the 2900XT, I dont care about power usage and all that, I just want raw performance as I dont pay for electricity, and I use dual PSU's so I probably dont have to worry about a PSU problem(might even put the Aux Hiper psu in another machine and get a different Aux PSU for my system).
Even I think this and the only reason I think so is because you guys flat out call the x2900xt a flop, I don't think that is fair especially since the card has just launched, performance could also improve with new drivers and DX10 games have yet to be tested. So calling it a "flop" is a bit premature don't you think.
BTW I own a EVGA 7900GT currently in my system, I don't want to be labeled as a fanboy.
this review seems awfully nvidia biased, make sure you read other reviews before you draw your own conclusions
see im the only one who thinks this.
Even I think this and the only reason I think so is because you guys flat out call the x2900xt a flop, I don't think that is fair especially since the card has just launched, performance could also improve with new drivers and DX10 games have yet to be tested. So calling it a "flop" is a bit premature don't you think.
BTW I own a EVGA 7900GT currently in my system, I don't want to be labeled as a fanboy.
If there is one thing ati can take from the HD 2900 to their next high end card it will be the memory subsystem. That thing looks like its a beast. Add some good gddr3 1000 memory or even faster gddr4 memory and the performance looks unspeakable. I really don't see a reason to devote more time on their memory subsytem. Maybe this means that they can focus all efforts on the gpu next round >.>.
just the fact that you don't even test any games where the hd2900xt outperforms 8800gtx seems a little odd, i guess you haven't had a chance to get tho those, or maybe you just chose not to get to them , could be either
just the fact that you don't even test any games where the hd2900xt outperforms 8800gtx seems a little odd, i guess you haven't had a chance to get tho those, or maybe you just chose not to get to them , could be either
just the fact that you don't even test any games where the hd2900xt outperforms 8800gtx seems a little odd, i guess you haven't had a chance to get tho those, or maybe you just chose not to get to them , could be either
Yeah, put me down for that too. I've got some commitments that have me running Vista so I'm more than a little curious about that. I know people have been avoiding Vista for gaming. Ironicly in no small part due to nVidia's drivers although they certainly aren't the only driver issues for Vista. But the reason I'm still in the market for a card is because of that spotty Vista support from nVidia.I would have liked to see some examples on how this thing performed on XP vs. Vista, though. XP is certainly the platform of choice, but a demonstration would have been nice.
just the fact that you don't even test any games where the hd2900xt outperforms 8800gtx seems a little odd, i guess you haven't had a chance to get tho those, or maybe you just chose not to get to them , could be either
Don't get me wrong I liked the review it was very detailed with a lot of Facts, but IMO saying that a product is a flop is a bit unprofessional its like making a decision for us, when we should be taking in all the facts and make our own opinions.
I am, plus this is kinda shitty since this cards being compared to another card with 5 months worth of driver updates.
just the fact that you don't even test any games where the hd2900xt outperforms 8800gtx seems a little odd, i guess you haven't had a chance to get tho those, or maybe you just chose not to get to them , could be either
Don't get me wrong I liked the review it was very detailed with a lot of Facts, but IMO saying that a product is a flop is a bit unprofessional its like making a decision for us, when we should be taking in all the facts and make our own opinions.
True I agree but shouldn't you just present the facts and let us decide what we think of them so we can make our own opinions.
best comment of this thread by far...lol all i have to say is, the facts speak for themselves.
sometime down the road even if performance changes, and or DX10 games perform better.
What games would that be?
i know it sucked, but the A64 was pretty damn nifty. the core 2 is a P3 on steroids IIRC, im hoping they do something magical with the new chips...
Brent, you wanted to know if we saw anything different... that tree is missing parts on the 2900
Honestly, if you hadn't realized, [H] does things much differently than everyone else (except bit tech theyre pretty damn close, hence why [H] and B-T are they only two i trust. ) everyone else uses apples to apples comparisons. the [H] crew use Apples to Oranges, or rather Bananas in this case. as the settings achieved at an acceptable frame rate are way different
with the [H], it isn't FPS, its quality. all the FPS are right near each other, but the image quality changes.
it weeds out inefficiencies in certain things, like AA processing, AF filtering, and how a card can cope with things like high resolution.
I have a question here...
In BF2142 testings 2048x1536 on X2900XT AA was set to 2... and you guys stated that anything higher than 4 was unplayable... doesn't this clearly shows Drivers problems?
Mentioning this in your conclusion would have been nice.....
They can only draw a conclusion from what they're given. You can expect people to wait and hope that drivers turn the card around, and it could happen, sure - But [H] have no way of knowing what could happen. They give their opinion on the product just as anyone reviewing anything else does - They have presented the numbers and the information that they have found and gathered up in the best way they can, and in their conclusion they sum it up - Just as they should.
There is really nothing [H] can do - Would you prefer them not to review the card and simply leave the page with a technical overview of the card, then wait until it is no longer receiving driver updates?
The conclusion they came to that the card is a flop is supported by the results that they show on their graphs - If you can't agree with the conclusion they draw from those results, which are pretty telling, then you can't agree with the data that they provide.
well , the 2900xt isn't a match for 8800gtx so there probably aren't any , i meant to say gts,
im pretty sure there are a bunch, where it will outperform the gts640, give me the card for a few weeks and i'll find them for you ...
i used to be a fanATIc, even though i dislike nvidia and ati equally now, this review still seems biased,
If AMD or its partners can do both the Radeon HD becomes a much more attractive purchase, as it stands now however, we simply cannot recommend this hardware.
im pretty sure there are a bunch, where it will outperform the gts640, give me the card for a few weeks and i'll find them for you ...
Honestly if they had said the x2900xt is under performing currently or as of right now the x2900xt is showing disappointing performance or the x2900xt is far from what we expected. I would have agreed with the statement. But saying the product is a "Flop" is like saying it allready failed that there is no hope, that you shouldn't even consider buying it now or down the road, I just think it gives a wrong impression on readers.
I am sure DriverHeaven, an ATI-friendly site in the past, is also in cahoots with Nvidia:
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/r600reviewz/conclusion.php
Honestly if they had said the x2900xt is under performing currently or as of right now the x2900xt is showing disappointing performance or the x2900xt is far from what we expected. I would have agreed with the statement. But saying the product is a "Flop" is like saying it allready failed that there is no hope, that you shouldn't even consider buying it now or down the road, I just think it gives a wrong impression on readers.
Its not that I don't like you opinions quite the opposite I have read countless reviews on your site, and I always respect you opinion and quite often agree with it, but I honestly think that calling a product a flop is a bit too harsh, because when a product is labeled as a flop its labeled as a complete failure with no recovery, in my mind it means don't buy it now or ever. I just think that you guys should have said it performed horribly as of today, or performance was lacking.