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funnydude393

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i am about fed up with my 7900GTX, it just doesnt perform like it use to, and it performed really crappy in 3dmark06. Would it be worth it get a x1900xt?? most of my games are for ATi cards anyway, cept' F.E.A.R., i want to RMA my card to dell and pay the difference for a x1900xt. what should i do?
 
games are not "built" for one brand of video card.

If your 7900GTX is performing worse "than it used to" then something went wrong with your computer. Figure it out and fix it.

Do you play 3dmark 06? I don't. I don't even install it to test. It's a waste of time.

a 7900GTX is a very respectable card. x1900xt is comparable, and better in some games.
I wouldn't consider paying the price premium for the highest end video cards, so I'll stay away from that debate.
 
3DMark06 is brutal on all cards, dont let it bother you. Or maybe you should post your scores here (05 and 06) so others here can tell you if something may be wrong, if its really underperforming.

Right now both the 1900xtx and 7900gtx are excellent cards which perform almost equally. Even though the 1900 is better in shader intensive games and can do AA+HDR, if you have a 7900gtx it doesn't make sense to ditch it unless you are 100% sure that there is a problem with it.

So what exactly makes you think there is a problem with it?
 
funnydude393 said:
i am about fed up with my 7900GTX, it just doesnt perform like it use to, and it performed really crappy in 3dmark06. Would it be worth it get a x1900xt?? most of my games are for ATi cards anyway, cept' F.E.A.R., i want to RMA my card to dell and pay the difference for a x1900xt. what should i do?
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Have you recently updated your drivers? have you installed any new windows patches?
Look unless something changes in your computer it should perform the same everytime. also, please elaborate on what you mean by it not performing "like it used to"
 
Look at the OP's sig, looks like he copy and pasted it from whatever retailer he bought it from. I suggest giving us your 05 & 06 score, and if it is low you should consult whoever you bought your pc from.
 
Return it for a credit towards an x1900XTX. Heck even an x1900XT would be a better buy.

Not performance wise.. as performance is somewhat close between the two. The main difference is that the x1900 series can give you the same\slightly higher\slightly lower performance with more eye candy.

Image Quality is just superior in EVERY way. Even HardOCP acknowledged this in there recent 7950 review.

Performance:
7950 > x1900XTX > 7900GTX > x1900XT

Image Quality:
x1900XTX = x1900XT > 7950 = 7900GTX

Price ( Higher price > Lower Price):
7950 > 7900GTX > x1900XTX > x1900XT

In other words.. for the money I would suggest an x1900XT. Save some cash, OC's to an x1900XTX or beyond (I do have an x1900XT in my other rig running 745/830 24/7 with no voltage increases, I just switched the stock cooler for a more quiet option).
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
Return it for a credit towards an x1900XTX. Heck even an x1900XT would be a better buy.

Not performance wise.. as performance is somewhat close between the two. The main difference is that the x1900 series can give you the same\slightly higher\slightly lower performance with more eye candy.

Image Quality is just superior in EVERY way. Even HardOCP acknowledged this in there recent 7950 review.

Performance:
7950 > x1900XTX > 7900GTX > x1900XT

Image Quality:
x1900XTX = x1900XT > 7950 = 7900GTX

Price ( Higher price > Lower Price):
7950 > 7900GTX > x1900XTX > x1900XT

In other words.. for the money I would suggest an x1900XT. Save some cash, OC's to an x1900XTX or beyond (I do have an x1900XT in my other rig running 745/830 24/7 with no voltage increases, I just switched the stock cooler for a more quiet option).
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clearly you are an ati fan,what kind of crap is that,image quality over 7950

you show me an x1900xtx better than a 7950
 
Eshelmen said:
clearly you are an ati fan,what kind of crap is that,image quality over 7950

you show me an x1900xtx better than a 7950
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Can your 7950 do High Quality Anisotropic Filtering that is non-adaptive? HDR+AA? No.. didn't think so.

7950 has the same image quality as a 7900GTX.. and I own both a 7900GTX and x1900XTX/XT.
I keep !!!!!!ism out... I post the undeniable truth. I'm no R0L0 :p

Oh and then there's the HardOCP review.
Image Quality


We took an in-depth look at image quality in this evaluation. We had two 30” LCD’s side-by-side and were able to look at IQ in-game. Culminating everything we learned we can confidently say that the ATI Radeon X1900 XTX CrossFire platform offered the best image quality in games.


We have all the proof to back this up. With the Radeon X1900 XTX and CrossFire platform antialiasing plus HDR is possible in Oblivion. ATI has the ability to do multisampling plus floating point blending HDR. ATI has a “High Quality” anisotropic filtering option which has real tangible image quality benefits in games with little to no performance hit. In large outdoor games this is a huge benefit. It also helps in games that have very high quality and detailed textures like Half Life 2: Episode 1 and Ghost Recon. Having these two displays side-by-side proved that texture crawling and moiré are worse on NVIDIA hardware at default driver settings compared to ATI hardware. We especially noticed this in World of Warcraft, Half Life 2: Episode 1, and Battlefield 2. When you look at all this added up it becomes clear that ATI still holds the image quality crown.
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ATi or nVidia is the same as the Intel or AMD debate
who gives a shit go with the company that you feel the most comfortable with.
 
Eshelmen said:
clearly you are an ati fan,what kind of crap is that,image quality over 7950

you show me an x1900xtx better than a 7950
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Well I'm gonna take Brents word over yours. ;)

And funnydude393, great choice of name. You want to RMA your fully functioning card because of it's performance, for a card that performs very close to it (albeit with slightly better image quality)?

Funny guy. :D

(did I mention fake and trollbait?)
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
Can your 7950 do High Quality Anisotropic Filtering that is non-adaptive? HDR+AA? No.. didn't think so.

7950 has the same image quality as a 7900GTX.. and I own both a 7900GTX and x1900XTX/XT.
I keep !!!!!!ism out... I post the undeniable truth. I'm no R0L0 :p

Oh and then there's the HardOCP review.
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yes yes yes you win

i guess i`ll go for ati`s 1900 xtx then
 
LOL..can we close this thread..tired of ati or nvidia threads..leads to nowhere besides bashing
 
cieje said:
well... the OP apparently overclocked his card and it hasn't been the same since:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1065992

who knows.
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roflmfao

Like I said: it is pretty obvious that he bought his pc from a retailer (turns out to be dell upon closer inspection).



We all know those dells are monster overclockers :rolleyes: :p ;)


I blame the proprietary PSU & Motherboard!



NF4 motherboard with SLI ability FTW.
 
cyks said:
I blame the proprietary PSU & Motherboard!
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I've also heard that the processors which Dell provides have their multiplier locked and can never be overclocked. Don't know how true that is, but it sounds like something Dell would organize with Intel to do.

This doesnt mean Dell machines are bad though, they just dont have as much freedom as a typical built machine.

OP: if you overclocked your card without taking into consideration temps and whatnot and damaged it, theres really no one to blame but yourself :\
 
Check said:
ATi or nVidia is the same as the Intel or AMD debate
who gives a shit go with the company that you feel the most comfortable with.
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Nicely put. That makes you all think. Like I always say, if it's not illegal, immoral or fattening why do it.
 
Drexion said:
I've also heard that the processors which Dell provides have their multiplier locked and can never be overclocked. Don't know how true that is, but it sounds like something Dell would organize with Intel to do.

This doesnt mean Dell machines are bad though, they just dont have as much freedom as a typical built machine.

OP: if you overclocked your card without taking into consideration temps and whatnot and damaged it, theres really no one to blame but yourself :\
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The multiplier is locked by Intel, as is the same for all the Intel CPU's out there in the current market be it from OEM's, retailers etc. I don't know if this is the case for their EE CPU's, but certainly for the others. The overclocking comes from options in the mobo bios to alter FSB etc, but there are better posts describing this in this forum and I don't know if the mobo's supplied by Dell offer this. This factor has nothing to do with the CPU multiplier being 'locked' by Dell however. The same appies to AMD CPU's (have Dell started using AMD yet? Thought I'd heard something about it, but might be wrong???) except for the fact their multiplier is 'top locked', meaning you can lower the multiplier but not raise it.
 
Source, I think Drexion was being sarcastic. At least that's the tone I got from having quoted the person before.
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
Can your 7950 do High Quality Anisotropic Filtering that is non-adaptive? HDR+AA? No.. didn't think so.

7950 has the same image quality as a 7900GTX.. and I own both a 7900GTX and x1900XTX/XT.
I keep !!!!!!ism out... I post the undeniable truth. I'm no R0L0 :p

Oh and then there's the HardOCP review.
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Why do people have to take this high and mighty, stand on my soapbox attitude with video cards?! I like Nvidia cards but I'm not going to stand here and shove it down your throat about how many pixels it can push or how much better it is over ati. Time to grow up and let people like what they want to like..
 
funnydude393 said:
i am about fed up with my 7900GTX, it just doesnt perform like it use to, and it performed really crappy in 3dmark06.
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Well, then I suppose it's a good thing that we don't play synthetic benchmarks, don't you? The 7900GTX is almost entirely superior to an X1900XT. You are imagining these slowdowns, or they are not the card's fault. Reformat, lay off the porn websites and use more discretion when it comes to downloading random bullshit.
 
Yikes. Quite heated!

If one isn't satisfied with something, it's typical for one to try to rectify the situation. If you want an X1900, get it. There's little reason to bother asking for advice about what you should do when there's such a plethora of information to aide you in making a decision. Highly detailed comparisons of both of these products are, literally, just a few clicks away.

This image quality debate has gotten really quite out of hand. It doesn't matter if the image quality of one product is better than that of another if the user either can't tell the difference or simply doesn't care.
 
i vote for closing the thread like 2 weeks ago, even though it probably didn't exist back then, which means it should have never been created/posted or thought of!!! :p
 
No I wasnt being sarcastic, just stating what I've heard (now I know its kind of true :s)
The processors which you get with Dell's cannot be overclocked as something is locked somewhere..
Though tbh I thought that Dell would be the one to encourage such a procedure, and not Intel, as Dell will expect more sales as their users can't overclock.
 
Drexion said:
No I wasnt being sarcastic, just stating what I've heard (now I know its kind of true :s)
The processors which you get with Dell's cannot be overclocked as something is locked somewhere..
Though tbh I thought that Dell would be the one to encourage such a procedure, and not Intel, as Dell will expect more sales as their users can't overclock.
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Well, in that case, Intel can expect more sales as well fi they force people to buy new processors to get faster speeds. And dont' forget that AMD also multiplier locks their CPUs as well. I remember reading a long time ago that Intel was locking the multiplier for their Pentium 2's because shady whitebox retailers were remarking the cheaper CPUs and selling them as higher priced ones to up their profits. It was a little truth mixed with a little PR BS to me, but that's what they told the public. And since Dell is an OEM which purchases CPU's from Intel, I can't see how they'd be for locking the CPUs It just made it hard for them to buy cheaper parts and relabel them, Not saying that they'd do that or anything.
 
Drexion said:
No I wasnt being sarcastic, just stating what I've heard (now I know its kind of true :s)
The processors which you get with Dell's cannot be overclocked as something is locked somewhere..
Though tbh I thought that Dell would be the one to encourage such a procedure, and not Intel, as Dell will expect more sales as their users can't overclock.
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Dell doesn't need to provide overclocking abilities to increase sales. The overclocking community is small compared to who Dell sells computers to. And any savy overclocker isn't buying a Dell PC to begin with lol. The people that buy Dell desktops are those that dont care about overclocking or the very top performance or they simply have little experience with computers. People like that have no business overclocking. All they would do is fry the processor and blame it on Dell. Intel processors have their multipliers locked but thats not whats keeping you from overclocking. Dell's OEM boards are BIOS locked so that you can't increase the FSB. The only way to overclock a processor on a Dell machine is if you can hard mod it. I pin modded an Intel 400MHz FSB Dothan on a Dell 9300 laptop to 533MHz which increased the clock speed from 1.7GHz to 2.26GHz.
 
#D Mark 2006 is not desigend to give you good frame rates. It's desigen to stress your card so it can test it. It's not a game, it's a benchmark. And XTX will be slightly faster, but unless you're going for better IQ, you probably won't notice it.
 
is this thread about CPUs, GPUs, or OEM retailers?

seriouly-- lets help the OP now.

OP: if you think your 3DMarks score is low, run it again and tell us what you get.
 
cyks said:
seriouly-- lets help the OP now.
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the issue was already resolved. the OP overclocked his video card (as was discovered in another thread), fried some transistors, now has a bum card on his hands.
 
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