ATI equivalent to a 7900GT???

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What is the ATI equivalent to a NVIDIA 7900GT? I want to buy a new card extremely soon but I want to buy an ATI card if I can as my 9800pro has served me well and I am familar with the catalyst drivers.

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None officially, for the moment the stopgap measure if the X1800 XT 256, the real deal should ben X1900 XL which we have an unknown release date.
 
Overall the 1800XT 512mb is about the same 7900GT. There are no benchmarks for the x1800xt 256 that i know of, but imo it should be about the same speed unless your running really high resolutions. In an odd note the 512 and 256 versions of x1800xt are both the same price at the egg right now, 350. Its a solid alternative to the 7900gt, it may run 50$ more but the extra ram makes it worth it. The 1800xl at 300 compared to the x1800xts is just a bad deal right now.
 
banned_user said:
Overall the 1800XT 512mb is about the same 7900GT. There are no benchmarks for the x1800xt 256 that i know of, but imo it should be about the same speed unless your running really high resolutions. In an odd note the 512 and 256 versions of x1800xt are both the same price at the egg right now, 350. Its a solid alternative to the 7900gt, it may run 50$ more but the extra ram makes it worth it. The 1800xl at 300 compared to the x1800xts is just a bad deal right now.
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I'm pretty sure the 256mb is $299, the 512 is $349. Both Sapphire X1800XTs, though personally would never buy Sapphire.. heard too many horror stories about their RMA process.

I think the GT and the X1800XT are evenly matched. One overclocks and IS a better performer, but the other has better features, IQ whatnot and is certainly no slouch. THe real kicker here is that the Nvidia cards have great resellers, like eVGA and XFX with great warranties. I would buy the X1800XT if I could get an ATI or Powercolor Retail for $300 ish over the 7900GT though, but its not looking like its happening anytime soon.
 
So what you guys are mostly saying is that for 1680x1050, an x1800xt with 512MB would be a better buy than the 256MB version ?
 
So out of these 2...

[size=+1]Sapphire ATI Radeon X1800 XT 256MB GDDR3 AVIVO TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (GX-121-SP)[/size] [size=-1]
For the ultimate in performance gaming, Radeon® X1800 Series drives graphic performance to new heights with incredible speed, performance and intense 3D graphics. Offering mind-blowing graphics acceleration and high quality video playback, X1800 combines a radically new ultra-threaded core 3D architecture with ATI's revolutionary new AvivoTM video and display technology. Built for the future, the Radeon® X1800 is CrossFire™ Ready to deliver multi-GPU gaming performance that works with all games.

- Powered by ATI Radeon R520XT GPU running at 625MHz
- Based on 0.09 micron manufacturing process
- 16 ultra efficient extreme pipelines
- 256MB GDDR3 Memory running at 1500MHz
- 256-Bit lightning fast memory interface
- 8 Vertex Shaders/Geometry Pipelines
- Memory Bandwidth - 48GB/sec
- Fill Rate - 10.00 billion pixels/sec
- Vertex and Pixel Shader Version 3.0
- 10-bit Native Display Quality for future LCD technology
- ATI® Crossfire™ Ready (Crossfire/Master Edition card required)
- 3Dc+ Technology
- AVIVO Technology - H.264 Support
- Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0c Shader Model 3.0 support

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Price: £179.95 [size=-2] (£211.44 Including VAT at 17.5%)[/size]

and

[/size][size=+1]XFX GeForce 7900 GT 256MB GDDR3 VIVO TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (PVT71G-UDLR) (GX-075-XF)[/size] [size=-1]
A 256-bit memory interface and fast GDDR3 memory enable blazing graphics performance with the quality set to max so you don’t have to choose between frame rates and image quality. Need a break from gaming? The GeForce 7900 GPU also delivers smooth, high-definition video playback and crisp picture quality thanks to its advanced NVIDIA® PureVideo™ technology. If you are searching for an extreme HD gaming and video experience on the PC, look no further than a Geforce 7900 GPU.

- GeForce 7900 GT Core running at 450MHz
- 256MB GDDR3 Extreme Memory running at 1320MHz giving upto 41.5GB/second bandwidth
- 24 Pixel Pipelines
- Designed For Extreme HD Gaming – Delivering Ultra Realistic Gaming Experiences
- Nvidia Pure Video Technology – Delivering high definition video playback supporting H.264 and WMV9
- Dedicated Video processors free the GPU Shaders to run 3D applications – Letting the GPU do what it does best
- Built for Windows Vista – The next generation operating system
- Dual link DVI support
- SLI ready – Delivering upto 2x the performance
- Shader Model 3.0 Support
- True High Dynamic Range Rendering Support – Based on Open EXR technology

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Price: £209.95 [size=-2] (£246.69 Including VAT at 17.5%)[/size]

What one?
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deadman_uk said:
So out of these 2 What one?
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I'd go with the X1800XT as it's quite a bit cheaper and in stock! Roughly equialent performance to the 7900GT, although the stock cooler is louder.
 
Yea in your case thats a pretty big price difference.

I like the cooler and overclocking on the 7800GT better though. So if you don't mind spending the extra few pounds, I say to buy the 7900GT. Especially since we are talking about a 256mb x1800XT. yuck.
 
Given that the 7800GT's are around $200 in the used channel right now, that's where you want to do. ATI has seriously dug a big hole for themselves. The only place where I'd buy a card from them right now is the top of the market and I'm not stupid enough to spend $500+ on a video card.
 
general said:
Given that the 7800GT's are around $200 in the used channel right now, that's where you want to do. ATI has seriously dug a big hole for themselves. The only place where I'd buy a card from them right now is the top of the market and I'm not stupid enough to spend $500+ on a video card.
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That's exactly what I was thinking. The 7800's should be dropping fast in price now that the 7900's are out. A lot of people are upgrading from a 7800 based card to a 7900 series so there should be a bunch of used 7800's for sale now and in the next few weeks.
 
Roberty said:
That's exactly what I was thinking. The 7800's should be dropping fast in price now that the 7900's are out. A lot of people are upgrading from a 7800 based card to a 7900 series so there should be a bunch of used 7800's for sale now and in the next few weeks.
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I dont want a used 7800 :p If I'm going with NVIDIA, I want a 7900GT at least. I won't be considering the X1800XT 256mb version anymore but the 512mb looks nice. I will probably just get a 7900GT, it is a great card from what I heard.
 
I just cant keep up anymore lol, another new card is out, a new type of 7900GTX... prices of the 7900GT have already fallen. I will get the 7900GT unless someone can change my mind.
 
l337x3r1cx said:
X1800 XT 256, benchmarks say its faster, and it has angle independent AF
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Except that the 7900GTs all = 7900GTXs almost guaranteed overclock...
XFX and eVGA even clock em for you for a few bucks extra.
 
MelchiorZ said:
Except that the 7900GTs all = 7900GTXs almost guaranteed overclock...
XFX and eVGA even clock em for you for a few bucks extra.
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As can the X1800XT, with HDR+AA and higher IQ. What is not to love?
 
MelchiorZ said:
Except that the 7900GTs all = 7900GTXs almost guaranteed overclock...
XFX and eVGA even clock em for you for a few bucks extra.
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i havent seen any 7900 GTs get over 600 mhz. and I've seen X1800 XT's at 720+ Mhz on stock.
 
On the day of buying the new card, I will look at both the X1800XT 512mb and the 7900GT OC and whatever is cheaper I will get.

Just a question...

1) I heard the fan on the 7900GT standard version is rubbish to prevent you from overclocking too much, is this true? Is the fan on the OC version better?

thanks all!
 
deadman_uk said:
On the day of buying the new card, I will look at both the X1800XT 512mb and the 7900GT OC and whatever is cheaper I will get.

Just a question...

1) I heard the fan on the 7900GT standard version is rubbish to prevent you from overclocking too much, is this true? Is the fan on the OC version better?

thanks all!
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No, the low volts and overvolt protection of the 7900 GT are what stop it from ocing far.
 
This german site I found on another forum shows benchmarks for the 256 mb X1800XT. It seems some games like COD2 are affected greatly by the difference in memory.
 
w00ty said:
aint the 1800xt better than the 7900gt?
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No, the 7900 GT is about the same as the 7800 GTX, the card the x1900 was to eclipse. So, the x1800xt, while a good card, is not an equal to the 7900 GT.
 
knight3058 said:
No, the 7900 GT is about the same as the 7800 GTX, the card the x1900 was to eclipse. So, the x1800xt, while a good card, is not an equal to the 7900 GT.
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I say its better that it had better IQ and features, but in overall speed, I say the 7900GT is better. But These X1800's are pretty damn O/Cable. I can pull in over 10K on my DC 165 and old X1800XT
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knight3058 said:
No, the 7900 GT is about the same as the 7800 GTX, the card the x1900 was to eclipse. So, the x1800xt, while a good card, is not an equal to the 7900 GT.
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So you're saying that a 7800GTX is superior to an X1800XT. If that is the case, why did nV release GTX512 to re-take the crown? 7900GT and X1800XT are very comparable, with no clear victor. So I agree that they're NOT EQUAL. X1800XT has HDR+AA and HQ AF, but 7900GT has lower noise levels and power consumption. X1800XT also wins on price, but 7900GT wins on multi-gpu solution. In terms of pure speed the 7900GT comes out on top, but with AA and AF the tables turn.
 
rincewind said:
So you're saying that a 7800GTX is superior to an X1800XT. If that is the case, why did nV release GTX512 to re-take the crown? 7900GT and X1800XT are very comparable, with no clear victor. So I agree that they're NOT EQUAL. X1800XT has HDR+AA and HQ AF, but 7900GT has lower noise levels and power consumption. X1800XT also wins on price, but 7900GT wins on multi-gpu solution. In terms of pure speed the 7900GT comes out on top, but with AA and AF the tables turn.
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because they could, there was no real answer to 7800GTX 512, it stood on the top for it's short life

and until someone can find me more than two games that even support HDR+AA now, not in 6 months, then stop using HDR+AA as an argument, it's an empty one at best unless one only plays Splinter Cell and Far Cry, it's worse than GF6 owners using SM3.0 compliance to beef up those cards, by the time SM3.0 was used enough to matter, it took GF7 to run it effectively, same with HDR+AA, by the time we get major game support, we will need G80/R600
 
get the 7900gt. in fact, get 2. you will be glad you did. as far as an ati equivalent to a 7900gt, you might see that in a year or 2.
 
deadman_uk said:
On the day of buying the new card, I will look at both the X1800XT 512mb and the 7900GT OC and whatever is cheaper I will get.

Just a question...

1) I heard the fan on the 7900GT standard version is rubbish to prevent you from overclocking too much, is this true? Is the fan on the OC version better?

thanks all!
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The stock cooling holds it back but the BIOS holds it back too. Even with a better cooler many can't reach the clocks of the 7900GTX. The PCB and the BIOS is limiting the 7900GT looks like. You can check XtremeSystems to see whats going on. The X1800XT average about 675 to 700 on the core with stock cooling with a voltage bump with ATI tool (ATI tool can change the core and mem voltage with out vmods).

EDIT
Theres seems to be a moded BIOS for the 7900GT out that ups the Vcore from 1.1V/1.2V to 1.4V that helps to get to 580 to 600 on the core with better cooling.

Heres a thread over at XtremeSystems that might help out.
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=91957
 
nobody_here said:
because they could, there was no real answer to 7800GTX 512, it stood on the top for it's short life
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X1800XT was in response to the 256mb card. GTX512 was in response to that. And yes, I know, it spanked it; the early X1800 drivers weren't the greatest.
nobody_here said:
and until someone can find me more than two games that even support HDR+AA now, not in 6 months, then stop using HDR+AA as an argument, it's an empty one at best unless one only plays Splinter Cell and Far Cry, it's worse than GF6 owners using SM3.0 compliance to beef up those cards, by the time SM3.0 was used enough to matter, it took GF7 to run it effectively, same with HDR+AA, by the time we get major game support, we will need G80/R600
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Serious Sam 2. Age Of Empires 3. And an X1800 can pull it off, just not at high resolutions. Even if SS2 is crap :D
 
For now, theres a very good reason the X1800XT is out of the question. You can get a shitty Sapphire for the cheap, or pay alot more than a 7900GT for BBA or HIS etc.

I wouldn't touch Sapphire and their RMA with a stick...
 
MelchiorZ said:
For now, theres a very good reason the X1800XT is out of the question. You can get a shitty Sapphire for the cheap, or pay alot more than a 7900GT for BBA or HIS etc.

I wouldn't touch Sapphire and their RMA with a stick...
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I don't know what you're talking about, I've dealt with sapphire before and never had a problem, granted they're no evga, but then again no one is. I believe saphhire makes ATI's reference cards anyway.
 
Then again, 7900GT's are running $320ish...

20 bucks, meh, pick your poison.
 
That's not an ATI card, it is a Sapphire with an ATI CHIP. I just tried it - works for the ATI cards, not for the Sapphires..

Elipsn said:
dont forget the $50 off at newegg on ati cards over $349 using code "loveati" till the 24th.

means you can get

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102629

for $300 even. Thats the 512MB X1800Xt folks. Thats sick.

I wish I had the $300 to blow right now

(poor college student)
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7900GTX is a little better than 7800GTX512 - 7900GT is somewhat behind, more so as you crank up the resolution and eye candy.
 
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