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ATI cards prices confuse me..

AltTabbins

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I was looking at some of the new lineup from ATI a few minutes ago and some parts have left me scratching my head..

About a month ago, the x800gt/gto series was released to the public. They range from $140ish to $200ish depending on what model you get. Ati was filling the mid-rage gap that they had with their pci-e cards and adding a new step to the market. Now, this frustrated me because they already had a good midrange market with their aging x800/x850 series. One could get a x800 vanilla for under $200 or pay a few bucks more and get a faster pro/xl version of it. IMO, this made a great mid-range series of cards (once prices fell).

Soon after, they released the x1800xl, taking their "high end" series up a notch, lowering prices of their NOW high-middle range cards. Soon after that they released the x1300 and x1600 series of cards. I am confused about what their marketing dept was thinking, pitting their own cards against each other. Ati, as it seems has flooded its own market with the release of the new card. Now its not a question of "should I get Nvidia or Ati", its now "Should I get Nvidia, or Ati or Ati's slower, more expensive cards or Ati's newest, fastest.. yet cheaper card?".

Lets have a look at the specs for a couple of the new "mid-range" cards.
~$140.00: x800gt: 8pipes, 700mhz Core and 400Mhz Mem.
Not too bad for a midrange card. It falls below the x800xl/x850pro series. It was a nice fit to make up for their disappointing x700 sales.

~$150.00: x1600pro: 12 pipes, 500mhz core and 780mhz mem.
I think ATI was thinking to snuff out the 6600gt with this card, but didn't realize that they will probably do more damage to their x800gt sales. I mean, who would want to buy a GT card when you can get a card with 4 extra pipes and a newer core?

All in all, it seems like ATI has too many cards, and not enough range between them. They have released a SLEW of new cards with what appears to be intent on making their older cards obsolete.

PREDICTIONS:
X700: 6 months from now, you wont be able to find these except for at newegg, who will sell them at really low prices until they are out of stock.

x800gt/gto: Will have some life left in it, but will lose its civil war against the x1600pro/xt cards.

x800xl/xt: These card will be around for a while. They fit in nicely with Nvidia's offererings and are great "high end" agp solutions

x850pro: Will slowly go the way of the buffalo. I give it 6 months like the x700 before these start getting completely phased off of shelves.

x850xtpe: This will be around for a very long time. ATI loves that it is the fastest agp solution available and will keep prices high for a while.

X1600pro/xt: will explode once they hit the shelves. They are very comperable to x850pros but have all the new features of the new x1x00 series. The 6600gt will have to move over for a faster card in its pricerange, something that ATI hasn't been able to do since the release of the 6600gt.
 
lloose said:
x800xl/xt: These card will be around for a while. They fit in nicely with Nvidia's offererings and are great "high end" agp solutions.

Might wanna fix that
 
lloose said:
~$150.00: x1600pro: 12 pipes, 500mhz core and 780mhz mem.
I think ATI was thinking to snuff out the 6600gt with this card, but didn't realize that they will probably do more damage to their x800gt sales. I mean, who would want to buy a GT card when you can get a card with 4 extra pipes and a newer core?
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X1600pro/xt: will explode once they hit the shelves. They are very comperable to x850pros but have all the new features of the new x1x00 series. The 6600gt will have to move over for a faster card in its pricerange, something that ATI hasn't been able to do since the release of the 6600gt.
What? The x1600 xt MSRP is $250.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2552&p=2

At that price, it loses out to the comprably priced cards.
 
needmorecarnitine said:
street price is what matters, not msrp. We'll see when they are out
They aren't out until 11/30/05 and you predict that street price is going to be $100 less than MSRP (more importantly, 40% less than MSRP)? Maybe that's why you're confused.
 
Intel_Hydralisk said:
They aren't out until 11/30/05 and you predict that street price is going to be $100 less than MSRP (more importantly, 40% less than MSRP)? Maybe that's why you're confused.

lol
 
Intel_Hydralisk said:
They aren't out until 11/30/05 and you predict that street price is going to be $100 less than MSRP (more importantly, 40% less than MSRP)? Maybe that's why you're confused.

yea I wasn't the one saying they were going to sell for $150 but thanks for trying
 
lloose said:
~$150.00: x1600pro: 12 pipes, 500mhz core and 780mhz mem.
I think ATI was thinking to snuff out the 6600gt with this card, but didn't realize that they will probably do more damage to their x800gt sales. I mean, who would want to buy a GT card when you can get a card with 4 extra pipes and a newer core?
The X1600 isn't all that superior. It may have 12 pipes, but it's memory bandwidth is strangled by the 128-bit bus and it has just 4 texture units.
 
Araanor said:
The X1600 isn't all that superior. It may have 12 pipes, but it's memory bandwidth is strangled by the 128-bit bus and it has just 4 texture units.

Huh? It has 256bit memory..
heres a review that I just found..
Early benchmarks are saying +3500 on 3dmark 05.. thats not bad at all.. esp compaired to the 6600gt's +2300

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-23721-2609-x-x-x

ADDED: the base x1600's msrp is 150.. the XT is $250, but I think its safe to assume that it will drop to $200 for launch and $175-150ish after the initial rush. Look at the 7800 series.. how much was their msrp? how long have they been out for, and more importantly.. how mucn can you get one for now?
 
Lets have a look at the specs for a couple of the new "mid-range" cards.
~$140.00: x800gt: 8pipes, 700mhz Core and 400Mhz Mem.
Not too bad for a midrange card. It falls below the x800xl/x850pro series. It was a nice fit to make up for their disappointing x700 sales
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The X800GT's Core ranged from 392 Mhz (Sapphire 128MB models) to 500 Mhz (Powercolor 256MB model).. The Memory ranged from 980 Mhz to 1050 Mhz, respectively..
 
That was a very very good post.
And I would have to agree with it 100% ATi has way to many cards for its own good... What there is just a million different versions of the X800 series you can't keep up.
 
Stereophile said:
Your analysis is confusing.
Yea, I wrote it pretty late at night.. Im going to revise it sometime to make it easier to read and shorter.


That was a very very good post.
And I would have to agree with it 100% ATi has way to many cards for its own good... What there is just a million different versions of the X800 series you can't keep up.
Thank you, that was exactly the point I was trying to make.. Ati, loves to rehash their old cards, but they are flooding their own market in doing so.
 
lloose said:
Lets have a look at the specs for a couple of the new "mid-range" cards.
~$140.00: x800gt: 8pipes, 700mhz Core and 400Mhz Mem.
Not too bad for a midrange card. It falls below the x800xl/x850pro series. It was a nice fit to make up for their disappointing x700 sales.

might wanna check your core speed on that one...
 
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