ATI and nVidia launching new cards at computex?

pretty cool although they aren't needed yet other than for pure bragging rights. hell that's a good enough reason... :p
 
im just going to imagine that future cards will all support turbo catch thus allowing you to use system ram for video ram as well.. granted its pci-e only.

and we will probably go to 32 pipelines.
 
wizzackr said:
http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=24206
or
http://www.cooltechzone.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1224 respectively.

question is: will this be NV47 or G70 on nVidia's part?
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NV47 is already out. 512MB 6800Ultra.

Nvidia better hope ATI doesnt release the R520 with all 32 advanced pipes enabled or their absolutly screwed for this year. No way the G70 has more then 24, transistor count and the fab process (110nm) tell this. Dont forget ATI vowed the pipes on the new R520 series will be equivilant to 1.3 of todays pixel pipes.
 
FanATIc said:
NV47 is already out. 512MB 6800Ultra.

Nvidia better hope ATI doesnt release the R520 with all 32 advanced pipes enabled or their absolutly screwed for this year. No way the G70 has more then 24, transistor count and the fab process (110nm) tell this. Dont forget ATI vowed the pipes on the new R520 series will be equivilant to 1.3 of todays pixel pipes.
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32 pipes, good Lord, I'm salivating.
 
Sweet, but when IS computex? the second sight said "at the beginning of june" so we should expect an unvailing in about 2 to 3 weeks?

Cool, I hope they unveil the Ultra-High end one, so I can decide which one to get
 
YAY I am hoping for a price drop on the 6800GTs(i know they have already dropped in price a lot but im greedy)
 
FanATIc said:
NV47 is already out. 512MB 6800Ultra.

Nvidia better hope ATI doesnt release the R520 with all 32 advanced pipes enabled or their absolutly screwed for this year. No way the G70 has more then 24, transistor count and the fab process (110nm) tell this. Dont forget ATI vowed the pipes on the new R520 series will be equivilant to 1.3 of todays pixel pipes.
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you seem to forget that Nvidia will launch 2 products on 0.09 micron this year too.
ATI better hope they have a devent performance advantage with R520 otherwise they could be in trouble when Nvidia releases its 0.09 micron parts.
 
Richthofen said:
you seem to forget that Nvidia will launch 2 products on 0.09 micron this year too.
ATI better hope they have a devent performance advantage with R520 otherwise they could be in trouble when Nvidia releases its 0.09 micron parts.
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I have seen absolutly no proof or plans of Nvidia all set to make the jump to .90nm fab this year for computer graphics. Then you have to hope both companies do it correctly when they do, seeing graphics cards enter the prescott era would not be a good thing. If you are referring to "G80" then its absolutly nothing but rumor or speculation what that really is. Could be a G70 bumped to Mobility for all anyone knows. What is known is that the G70 is 110nm fab and will not have as many transistors or pipes as the R520 due to its yield. What you are talking about is the would be could be future. Such as if i said the X950 refresh planned for christmas will destroy Nvidia. I dont deal in that because i dont even know wtf that is, just like no one knows what the hell the G80 is. If i did guess i dont think it will be a fab jump but rather a dual core single PCB design of 2 G70s ala Fury MAXX or the 6600GT/6800U models we've seen from Asus and gigabyte. Thats a guess.
 
FanATIc said:
I have seen absolutly no proof or plans of Nvidia all set to make the jump to .90nm fab this year for computer graphics. Then you have to hope both companies do it correctly when they do, seeing graphics cards enter the prescott era would not be a good thing. If you are referring to "G80" then its absolutly nothing but rumor or speculation what that really is. Could be a G70 bumped to Mobility for all anyone knows. What is known is that the G70 is 110nm fab and will not have as many transistors or pipes as the R520 due to its yield. What you are talking about is the would be could be future. Such as if i said the X950 refresh planned for christmas will destroy Nvidia. I dont deal in that because i dont even know wtf that is, just like no one knows what the hell the G80 is. If i did guess i dont think it will be a fab jump but rather a dual core single PCB design of 2 G70s ala Fury MAXX or the 6600GT/6800U models we've seen from Asus and gigabyte. Thats a guess.
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Your name says it all, and you got nothing.
 
FanATIc said:
I have seen absolutly no proof or plans of Nvidia all set to make the jump to .90nm fab this year for computer graphics. Then you have to hope both companies do it correctly when they do, seeing graphics cards enter the prescott era would not be a good thing. If you are referring to "G80" then its absolutly nothing but rumor or speculation what that really is. Could be a G70 bumped to Mobility for all anyone knows. What is known is that the G70 is 110nm fab and will not have as many transistors or pipes as the R520 due to its yield. What you are talking about is the would be could be future. Such as if i said the X950 refresh planned for christmas will destroy Nvidia. I dont deal in that because i dont even know wtf that is, just like no one knows what the hell the G80 is. If i did guess i dont think it will be a fab jump but rather a dual core single PCB design of 2 G70s ala Fury MAXX or the 6600GT/6800U models we've seen from Asus and gigabyte. Thats a guess.
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The rumor is that the G80 is the successor to the G70...which is no shocker since...look at the name...GeForce 6800...GeForce 6 series...=> G60 => the next card = G70...so by that logic G80 is another new core...but it may just end up being a speed bump next winter...

As far as the r520 goes...I think it's the exact opposite...you ati fans better hope they don't try to enable all 32 pipes right out of the gate...because then yields will be horrible and you'll have another x800xtpe on your hands...

On a lighter note...OMFG I'm so excited to see these new cards...
 
aZn_plyR said:
Your name says it all, and you got nothing.
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when did i say i had anything? Must be the 5th time someones posted a quote of mine then said something totally odd. Yes, i am a fan of ati, im very aware my name gives that away. Thanks!
 
^eMpTy^ said:
The rumor is that the G80 is the successor to the G70...which is no shocker since...look at the name...GeForce 6800...GeForce 6 series...=> G60 => the next card = G70...so by that logic G80 is another new core...but it may just end up being a speed bump next winter...

As far as the r520 goes...I think it's the exact opposite...you ati fans better hope they don't try to enable all 32 pipes right out of the gate...because then yields will be horrible and you'll have another x800xtpe on your hands...

On a lighter note...OMFG I'm so excited to see these new cards...
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I heard they fixed the avalibility issue with these cards, by switching to only one manufacturing process for all cards, and getting a new supplier.

Well, they said that these cards will be more available.
 
Hate_Bot said:
I heard they fixed the avalibility issue with these cards, by switching to only one manufacturing process for all cards, and getting a new supplier.

Well, they said that these cards will be more available.
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And you think that means something? They said every step of the way that x800xtpe's were "on their way"...they still won't admit to the fact that the card is non-existant...and there are STILL issues with the x850s...

I know it's hard for you to hear this...but not everything ATi says in a press release is the truth...
 
FanATIc said:
NV47 is already out. 512MB 6800Ultra.

Nvidia better hope ATI doesnt release the R520 with all 32 advanced pipes enabled or their absolutly screwed for this year. No way the G70 has more then 24, transistor count and the fab process (110nm) tell this. Dont forget ATI vowed the pipes on the new R520 series will be equivilant to 1.3 of todays pixel pipes.
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ATI hasn't "vowed" anything. It's all rumors and speculation from the INQ and assorted forums. Has ATI had any official press releases about the R520?
 
ATI Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition 6,197
Nvidia Geforce 6800 Ultra 5,425

Source: Valve survey

non-existant?
 
^eMpTy^ said:
And you think that means something? They said every step of the way that x800xtpe's were "on their way"...they still won't admit to the fact that the card is non-existant...and there are STILL issues with the x850s...

I know it's hard for you to hear this...but not everything ATi says in a press release is the truth...
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Did I say it was truth? I said, CLEARLY "I heard", yet for some reason, you thought I said "OMG ATI WILL (WILL!!!!!) HAVE CARDS AVAIABLE!!!!!!!!" etc...
 
FanATIc said:
ATI Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition 6,197
Nvidida Geforce 6800 Ultra 5,425

Source: Valve survey

non-existant?
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I love when ati fans try to defend the x800xtpe...it's undefendable...everyone knows it...so why do you bother trying?

...edited for retardation...
 
would the release of these new card cause a price drop in the existing ones, as i am looking to buy one...........
 
^eMpTy^ said:
I love when ati fans try to defend the x800xtpe...it's undefendable...everyone knows it...so why do you bother trying?

P.S. HL2 came bundled with x800 cards so you might call that an unfair advantage...
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I defend cause im right. And other then saying stupid quirks, you have yet to prove me otherwise.

PS HL2 never came with any of the X8xx series cards. Oops? Shows what you know.
 
Hate_Bot said:
Did I say it was truth? I said, CLEARLY "I heard", yet for some reason, you thought I said "OMG ATI WILL (WILL!!!!!) HAVE CARDS AVAIABLE!!!!!!!!" etc...
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You said "well ati says they're going to have better availability" in contrast to what I said that "they better be careful or they'll have another x800xtpe on their hands"...and my response to that was..."they've been saying they're going to have better availablility the ENTIRE time their availability has been shit..."

It makes sense to me...I don't see why you're getting so defensive...
 
FanATIc said:
I defend cause im right. And other then saying stupid quirks, you have yet to prove me otherwise.

PS HL2 never came with any of the X8xx series cards. Oops?
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Uggh...sorry...I was just having a conversation about the 9800XT popularity in that Valve survey...I got my wires crossed...

Moving right along...I don't have to prove anything...it's been covered by every major hardware website a dozen times already...hell the x800xtpe was even nicknamed the "phantom edition"...there's nothing to prove here except that you're in denial...


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heh, your word usage sucks, you say

"The X800XT PE was nonexistent"

definition:
not having existence or being or actuality

I post survey where gamers of a game (where the majority is Nvidia owners by the way) have over 1000 more PE's submitted then Ultras. You dont reply to that, but instead say the game was bundled and...doesnt count... or something. Completely negating the point that the card does exist and is out in numbers. It has since been discontinued and the X850XT PE has taken over. The cards hard to get, yes, but saying it doesnt exist? Far from truth.
 
FanATIc said:
heh, your word usage sucks, you say

"The X800XT PE was nonexistent"

definition:
not having existence or being or actuality

I post survey where gamers of a game (where the majority is Nvidia owners by the way) have over 1000 more PE's submitted then Ultras. You dont reply to that, but instead say the game was bundled and...doesnt count... or something. Completely negating the point that the card does exist and is out in numbers. It has since been discontinued and the X850XT PE has taken over. The cards hard to get, yes, but saying it doesnt exist? Far from truth.
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you're absolutely right...allow me to rephrase:

The x800xtpe manifested shockingly low availability immediately following its launch. Many pre-orders for this card went unfilled as month after month ATi assured users that major shipments were just around the corner. Many of these shipments never materialized leaving many would-be ATi fans with a bad taste in their mouth. This availability problem has been widely documented to the point that the x800xtpe is now affectionately known as the "Phantom Edition".

As for my original point. I have this idea that the reason the x800xtpe was so unavailable was because ATi originally only planned to ship a 12 pipeline version of the card initially and refresh in the fall with a 16 pipe version. After the release of the 6800Ultra, I think ATi had to quickly produce a competing card and enabled the extra pipelines ahead of schedule which annihilated yields and resulted in very few of the cards actually being available. I don't know if you remember, but r420 was rumored to be a 12 pipe card and everyone was surprised to find that it had 16 pipes. Also, the fall refresh for ATi was nothing more than the mass availability of 16 pipe x800xts and then later the x850xtpe which was a whole 20Mhz faster...even after 6 months of tweaking the fabrication process and adding a cooler twice the size. All of this to me points to the x800xtpe being nothing more than a way for ATi to keep its name at the top of the benchmark heap.

So you can understand that one would be skeptical when we here that the r520 may or may not have 32 pipes at launch...that smacks of the x800xtpe to me...but maybe I'm just crazy...

Also, a lot of 6800Ultras are being run in SLI...so the number on Valves website could potentially only be half the number of 6800Ultras in use...;)
 
^eMpTy^ said:
you're absolutely right...allow me to rephrase:

The x800xtpe manifested shockingly low availability immediately following its launch. Many pre-orders for this card went unfilled as month after month ATi assured users that major shipments were just around the corner. Many of these shipments never materialized leaving many would-be ATi fans with a bad taste in their mouth. This availability problem has been widely documented to the point that the x800xtpe is now affectionately known as the "Phantom Edition".

As for my original point. I have this idea that the reason the x800xtpe was so unavailable was because ATi originally only planned to ship 12 pipeline version of the card initially and refresh in the fall with a 16 pipe version. After the release the 6800Ultra, I think ATi had to quickly produce a competing card and enabled the extra pipelines ahead of schedule which annihilated yields and resulted in very few of the cards actually being available. I don't know if you remember, but r420 was rumored to be a 12 pipe card and everyone was surprised to find that it had 16 pipes. Also, the fall refresh for ATi was nothing more than the mass availability of 16 pipe x800xts and then later the x850xtpe which was a whole 20Mhz faster...even after 6 months of tweaking the fabrication process and adding a cooler twice the size. All of this to me points to the x800xtpe being nothing more than a way for ATi to keep its name at the top of the benchmark heap.

So you can understand that one would be skeptical when we here that the r520 may or may not have 32 pipes at launch...that smacks of the x800xtpe to me...but maybe I'm just crazy...
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I have a crazy suspicion that it's not the card we are hoping for to have 32 pipes, rather some other technological breakthrough. I am all over a 32-pipeline card, but I suspect the likelihood... is pretty low.
 
ScHpAnKy said:
I have a crazy suspicion that it's not the card we are hoping for to have 32 pipes, rather some other technological breakthrough. I am all over a 32-pipeline card, but I suspect the likelihood... is pretty low.
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I wouldn't be surprised...but it all just sounds too good to be true...if the r520 came out with 32 pipelines...with each pipe supposedly being 1.5x faster than a standard pipeline...at >500Mhz...I mean jesus...who wouldn't be impressed by that? That would be 6x the performance of an x850xtpe...and then you could have 2 of them running in tandem with AMR/MVP...it just seems absolutely insane...

I can't wait to find out...
 
ScHpAnKy said:
What? Where did you read this?
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There was an interview with some guy from Nvidia a while back...that's what he said...I can't find any official press release for the card...so it may or may not be true...I'm guessing it's just a case of maintaining plausible deniability...

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15864

I think the deal was...board partners wanted to overlclock it...and Nvidia gave them permission...but Nvidia never really actually launched the card...
 
And you think that means something? They said every step of the way that x800xtpe's were "on their way"...they still won't admit to the fact that the card is non-existant...and there are STILL issues with the x850s...
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One of the ATi PR guys said in a interview (Gotta find it) that they admited that the X800XTPEs did come in low supply and that the launch of the X850 was them correcting their mistake. They even admited that the X800XTAIWs were delayed for so long and gave the reason. Which happend to be something about placing the tuner on such a complex board without compramising stability.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
One of the ATi PR guys said in a interview (Gotta find it) that they admited that the X800XTPEs did come in low supply and that the launch of the X850 was them correcting their mistake. They even admited that the X800XTAIWs were delayed for so long and gave the reason. Which happend to be something about placing the tuner on such a complex board without compramising stability.
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I must have missed that one...I know I saw at least half a dozen where they blamed it all on OEM shipments...
 
^eMpTy^ said:
I wouldn't be surprised...but it all just sounds too good to be true...if the r520 came out with 32 pipelines...with each pipe supposedly being 1.5x faster than a standard pipeline...at >500Mhz...I mean jesus...who wouldn't be impressed by that? That would be 6x the performance of an x850xtpe...and then you could have 2 of them running in tandem with AMR/MVP...it just seems absolutely insane...

I can't wait to find out...
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I personally, can't, either, I wish to be proven wrong, I'd love to see a 32-pipeline video card, the concept alone is absolutely breathtaking!

^eMpTy^ said:
There was an interview with some guy from Nvidia a while back...that's what he said...I can't find any official press release for the card...so it may or may not be true...I'm guessing it's just a case of maintaining plausible deniability...
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I've only heard that it did, in fact, exist... if it's a matter of making it easier to deny later, I'm going to have to go with the fact that they didn't, it would be against nvidia's better judgement. They need business now that ATi stepped in with the 9700P awhile back, and they'll go through rings to win back customers! If that means creating a phantom video card, they'll do it.
 
Cant wait hopefully availability of these cards will be alot better this time around.. :)
 
FanATIc said:
ATI Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition 6,197
Nvidia Geforce 6800 Ultra 5,425

Source: Valve survey

non-existant?
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did you ever take the time to consider mabey they had flashed bioses?fucktard
 
Ballz2TheWallz said:
did you ever take the time to consider mabey they had flashed bioses?fucktard
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Don't ever call anybody with any direct insult on this forum, this type of behavior will get you banned from this forum, giving you a heads up.

But you do raise a good point, I must say that XT's flooded the market, and it's not hard to flash them and I venture to say 7/10 of the people who get an XT will.
 
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