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ATF 3D Printed Gun Exploded When Tested

I bet this was staged just to warn people away from 3d printed guns. It would be just like the government to try that. It's not a very effective strategy, which is a hallmark of government policies.
 
Just because the government, in this case the ATF, can't do something, doesn't mean it can't be done.....:p
 
Funny. Same thing happened when they tried to make a health insurance website. :D
 
well, then its a good thing I dont buy my guns from the ATF if they make stuff that dangerous..
Street vendor is way more reliable.
:D
 
That is disappointing, that visijet material was supposed to be a giant step above ABS ... I guess not.
 
Maybe they should give those guns to Mexican drug cartels rather than the thousands of weapons they already gave them.
 
and how much of our money did they waste making this failed gun?

and who's idea was it? who green-lit the project?

Fire them -- because we have WAY more important stuff to spend money on now. Like our entire national crumblign infrastructure.
 
dgingeri said:
I bet this was staged just to warn people away from 3d printed guns. It would be just like the government to try that. It's not a very effective strategy, which is a hallmark of government policies.
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Personally I'm surprised they would be allowed to show this, the reason is simple, The government, including the ATF, has spent much of the past year trying to panic people into thinking everyone is out there printing off guns with 3d printers and this works counter to the governments goal to increase regulation to "protect" us all.


collegeboy69us said:
and how much of our money did they waste making this failed gun?

and who's idea was it? who green-lit the project?

Fire them -- because we have WAY more important stuff to spend money on now. Like our entire national crumblign infrastructure.
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Again I think they would be more likely to be fired because it failed, if it had worked they could then rant out terrorist and criminals making guns on 3d printers and then push for God know how many new laws.
 
dgingeri said:
I bet this was staged just to warn people away from 3d printed guns. It would be just like the government to try that. It's not a very effective strategy, which is a hallmark of government policies.
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If that was the case I doubt they would have uploaded the successful ABS gun.
 
dgingeri said:
I bet this was staged just to warn people away from 3d printed guns. It would be just like the government to try that. It's not a very effective strategy, which is a hallmark of government policies.
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this
 
In other news, the DEA conducted a study and determined that non-prescription drugs are dangerous.
 
dgingeri said:
I bet this was staged just to warn people away from 3d printed guns. It would be just like the government to try that. It's not a very effective strategy, which is a hallmark of government policies.
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And the point of the policy would be? Do you have difficulty finding firearms?:rolleyes:
 
Draax said:
That is disappointing, that visijet material was supposed to be a giant step above ABS ... I guess not.
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Well, there's roughly a bajillion different Visijet materials, so maybe they used one that wasn't particularly strong or was too brittle for the application.
 
weebling1 said:
And the point of the policy would be? Do you have difficulty finding firearms?:rolleyes:
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Actually, if you knew anything about the firearms market, AR-style rifles were extremely difficult to get and very expensive for extended periods over the last few years. Same with the repeated ammunition shortages.
 
What gets me about all the "we must ban plastic guns! They're undetectable!" panic is that those plastic guns still need to be loaded with metal bullets before they can go bang.
 
Stiletto said:
Actually, if you knew anything about the firearms market, AR-style rifles were extremely difficult to get and very expensive for extended periods over the last few years. Same with the repeated ammunition shortages.
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So instead of buying the gun you spend the same or more money to buy a 3D printer, how are you ahead?

...and you can't print ammo.
 
The AR was never difficult to get, just expensive for a few months after the big school shooting. Ordering something online is not "difficult." And it was barely an extended period, and not more than one period.

Lecture more about knowing the market.
 
weebling1 said:
So instead of buying the gun you spend the same or more money to buy a 3D printer, how are you ahead?

...and you can't print ammo.
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First of all, many 3d printers can be had for less than the normal price of a rifle, even less than the price of most handguns.

Secondly, my mentioning the ammo shortages was an attachment for the point that your snarky comment about difficulty finding firearms demonstrated clear lack of knowledge about availability.
 
Aluisious said:
The AR was never difficult to get, just expensive for a few months after the big school shooting.
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That was just one of the shortages, and no, it was not a matter of being "too expensive". Anyone who went looking for an AR, even on large gun websites, found them out of stock most times.

Ordering something online is not "difficult."
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It is if they're sold out online as well, as they were during multiple periods.

And it was barely an extended period, and not more than one period.
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So a shortage has to last years to become "extended"? You are loving you some semantics.
 
weebling1 said:
And the point of the policy would be? Do you have difficulty finding firearms?:rolleyes:
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The point of government policy is to make government employees look like they have something to do, without actually be effective. The government also does things to make gullible people do or not do certain things, like avoid trying to make a 3D printed guns for themselves. This is probably a good thing, as we don't need stupid people hurting themselves by making inferior 3D printed guns and attempting to use them. That would just get smart people sued.

Actually, I do have difficulties finding firearms made of mostly plastic. Seriously, though, firearms in general aren't difficult to get, but specific ones are. Different types of ammo are also difficult to get at times. This has nothing to do with my statement. your point?
 
dgingeri said:
I bet this was staged just to warn people away from 3d printed guns. It would be just like the government to try that. It's not a very effective strategy, which is a hallmark of government policies.
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Probably... but the reality is you should stay away from 3d printed guns, at least using today's 3d printing materials and assuming it's a part that contains the blast. In the future if we start using stronger materials, perhaps find a way to embed a mesh inside the resin as it melts, maybe it'll be strong enough.

However need to make a part that doesn't have much of any shock on it that may have been banned by your state, yeah go for it. Knowing that if you make one it's the same as if you bought one, and are you really that much of a "gun enthusiast" that you'll risk the potential legal ramifications of it?
 
Stiletto said:
That was just one of the shortages, and no, it was not a matter of being "too expensive". Anyone who went looking for an AR, even on large gun websites, found them out of stock most times.
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A great real world example of supply and demand economics. A lot of "ERMAGERD, ERBERMA GONNA TAKE ER GUNS!" everyone buys, shortages, prices can be jacked up.
 
sfsuphysics said:
A great real world example of supply and demand economics. A lot of "ERMAGERD, ERBERMA GONNA TAKE ER GUNS!" everyone buys, shortages, prices can be jacked up.
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salesman_of_the_year.jpg
 
sfsuphysics said:
Probably... but the reality is you should stay away from 3d printed guns, at least using today's 3d printing materials and assuming it's a part that contains the blast. In the future if we start using stronger materials, perhaps find a way to embed a mesh inside the resin as it melts, maybe it'll be strong enough.

However need to make a part that doesn't have much of any shock on it that may have been banned by your state, yeah go for it. Knowing that if you make one it's the same as if you bought one, and are you really that much of a "gun enthusiast" that you'll risk the potential legal ramifications of it?
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I never said I'd try it. Well, maybe, if materials get strong enough and cheap enough. I'd rather go out and buy a Colt 1911, but I can't even afford that right now. My position was more along the lines of government doing things that just aren't effective, let alone cost effective.

For instance, I repaired a computer for a guy that worked in the Passport processing office back in 2004. There were 14 people working that office, and they just had to get 7 passports processed per week. They lived with work quotas that were put into place before computers and the internet, when records did take a week to track down to make sure someone was actually a US citizen, but after computers, networks, and WAN connections came into use, the amount of time it took to process and track down those records took far less time, but the work quota for that office stayed the same. The guy commented that he could take a lunch as long as he liked because he got his work for the whole week done on Monday.

I see this every time I go to a government office, whether it's the local driver's license office or federal court records office. I see people constantly doing things in extra slow mode. They type at about 10-20 words per minute, while there are tons of people in line. Then they also get paid far more than what I make as a systems admin. Normally, I have too much work and not enough time, and people clamoring for my attention. (Not today, or the past month for that matter, but normally I'm very hard working.) We have people in the federal courthouse in Denver making 60-80k/year to process records requests. Any dolt could do most of that job, and it sure doesn't take someone with a college degree to figure out the rest.

Also, there are instances like the government monitoring of pollution and financial fraud in recent years. New laws and policies were put into place, and new people hired and paid huge salaries, without any significant effect. People were put into place in the 1990s to monitor mortgage loan companies to make sure they weren't racist, and yet huge amounts of fraud took place against poorer people over the following decade. Oh, sure, they got the mortgages. Even people who hadn't even applied for mortgages got mortgages, but the so called monitors never even batted an eye and let the whole thing keep going for over a decade.

Government is just a waste of money, for the most part, and free jobs for the friends and supporters of the political elite. Just ask Lois Lerner.
 
There were plenty of marked up ARs being sold by retarded speculators on gun trading sites. The best part of the whole ordeal was when the manufacturers ramped up production and buries the speculative market with supply. There were assholes out there with 100s of rifles hoping to flip them who it hosed when smith and Wesson started selling as many ARs as you wanted for 600-700 bucks. I bought one.
 
leeleatherwood said:
They have polymer cased ammo now, ceramic bullets too.
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Heck, a flechette round (5 glass/ceramic pins surrounded by a hard wax covering that disperses upon impact, spreading the flechettes in different directions) can do almost as much damage as a hollow point lead round, and is much harder for doctors to find and remove.
 
I think the more important question should be, why are they making a stubby single shot out of plastics?
 
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