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asus p6x58d

jstanthr

jstanthr

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anyone had any hands on time with these yet? how stable are they with everyday oc? if the price isn't too ridic this would be a good short term future proofing board imo. i still havent found a home for my 920 its getting lonely sitting in the box, lol.
 
Indeed, I am waiting for it too. Seems to me this one is basically the 'Asus P6T Deluxe V4'. Comparing the features and layouts of these various boards it seems Asus did something like this:

P6T Deluxe -> P6T Deluxe V2 -> P6TD Deluxe -> P6X58D Premium.

No reviews yet unfortunately, except this video here.
 
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This board has caught my attention too, I would like to see a review or two as well
 
There's only one bad thing with this motherboard: the PCI-E X16 ports are too close to eachother, 2 graphics cards in CF/SLI will be too close eachother, that's why i decided to not buy this mobo, i bought P6TD Deluxe instead.
 
[X]eltic;1035012135 said:
No reviews yet unfortunately, except this video here.
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Good grief. What a terrible video review - he says nothing I didn't already know, and I don't think he got his facts right. He claims that the SATA 6 Gbps ports were modified to work with ICH10R 'natively', which doesn't make any sense at all. More likely those ports are controlled by one of the two Marvell SATA 6Gbps controller chips on the market, which connect to the board via PCI-E 2.0. It's possible the controller is connected to the ICH10R southbridge by using a PLX chip to fuse PCI-E 1.1 lanes together like Asus's P55 offering, but it's far more likely they're simply connected to the X58 PCI-E controller directly, so those SATA 6gbps ports don't even talk to ICH10R at all.
 
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Kaldskryke said:
Good grief. What a terrible video review - he says nothing I didn't already know, and I don't think he got his facts right. He claims that the SATA 6 Gbps ports were modified to work with ICH10R 'natively', which doesn't make any sense at all. More likely those ports are controlled by one of the two Marvell SATA 6Gbps controller chips on the market, which connect to the board via PCI-E 2.0. It's possible the controller is connected to the ICH10R southbridge by using a PLX chip to fuse PCI-E 1.1 lanes together like Asus's P55 offering, but it's far more likely they're simply connected to the X58 PCI-E controller directly, so those SATA 6gbps ports don't even talk to ICH10R at all.
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i agree intel hasn't even made provisions for the needed mico-code update for the SATA 6Gb/s. looks like the search is still on for my new boards. :(
 
Kaldskryke said:
Good grief. What a terrible video review - he says nothing I didn't already know, and I don't think he got his facts right. He claims that the SATA 6 Gbps ports were modified to work with ICH10R 'natively', which doesn't make any sense at all. More likely those ports are controlled by one of the two Marvell SATA 6Gbps controller chips on the market, which connect to the board via PCI-E 2.0. It's possible the controller is connected to the ICH10R southbridge by using a PLX chip to fuse PCI-E 1.1 lanes together like Asus's P55 offering, but it's far more likely they're simply connected to the X58 PCI-E controller directly, so those SATA 6gbps ports don't even talk to ICH10R at all.
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Has anyone determined if ASUS has the SATA 6 gbps and USB 3 connected through the NB or the SB on the X58? Lots of info on the P55 PLX chip but I havent been able to figure out the x58 connection. It would be nice to have it through the NB to avoid any future DMI bottlenecks.
 
PRH said:
Has anyone determined if ASUS has the SATA 6 gbps and USB 3 connected through the NB or the SB on the X58? Lots of info on the P55 PLX chip but I havent been able to figure out the x58 connection. It would be nice to have it through the NB to avoid any future DMI bottlenecks.
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The NB on the X58 is mostly a QPI to PCIE converter if I understand correctly. Everything, including the SB runs through the NB and the SB has 4 PCIE lanes out of the 36 available on the X58. So that's 20 Gb/s which is more than enough for SATA 6bp/s obviously. But then you have USB 3 and other stuff running through there as well as the ICH10R.

So if I have this figured out correctly, EVERYTHING outside of the PCIE lanes for GPU's runs on 4 lanes. Bottom line, there's a lot more bandwidth running through those lanes than they could handle at once.
 
I have been trying to see advantages for the P6X58D vs. the P6T Deluxe v2
or even the P6T (Vanilla) and don't see many.

The P6T (Vanilla) has arguably the best overall layout. There are some differences in on-board sound chip and network chip, and everything but the P6T (Vanilla) has dual NIC.
I personally have only used a single NIC on the boards I have purchased with dual NIC.

Other than that, an arguably beefier power setup for the CPU and memory on the P6X58D and the P6T Deluxe v2.

I don't see the SATA 6.0 or USB 3.0 as an advantage at all right now. Even INTEL is waiting to add them to a chipset, and there will be a better implementation than through these early aftermarket chips like the NEC.

The P6T (Vanilla) is still perhaps the best buy in an ASUS 1366 board.
 
The biggest advantage of the P6X58D over the P6T Deluxe v2 is that it supports 3x SLI/Crossfire with dual slot cards. I just noticed that the P6X58D is sold out on NewEgg BTW.
 
Just single GPU for me,
but I want the best, most solid overclocker as always,
so I am considering P6T, P6T Deluxe v2, the P6X58D (which seems to offer no advantage) and the
Rampage II ROG board. I just think that the early implementation of the USB 3.0/SATA 6.0 is too
early.
 
heatlesssun said:
The biggest advantage of the P6X58D over the P6T Deluxe v2 is that it supports 3x SLI/Crossfire with dual slot cards. I just noticed that the P6X58D is sold out on NewEgg BTW.
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Good thing I placed my order last week. Mine arrives tomorrow! :D

aamsel: Reason for me to get the P6X58D is I am not going to wait until Intel implements 6GB/s SATA and USB3.0. I'm buying now! It'll pair quite nicely with some SSD drives coming out. Have you considered an eVGA board for solid overclocking if you're not after any of these new features?
 
alco23 said:
Good thing I placed my order last week. Mine arrives tomorrow! :D

aamsel: Reason for me to get the P6X58D is I am not going to wait until Intel implements 6GB/s SATA and USB3.0. I'm buying now! It'll pair quite nicely with some SSD drives coming out. Have you considered an eVGA board for solid overclocking if you're not after any of these new features?
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I would be quite interested in the new features if I had good reason to believe
that they have been properly implemented on these motherboard designs.

I don't want eVGA, have stayed with ASUS almost exclusively for some time now.
 
aamsel said:
Just single GPU for me,
but I want the best, most solid overclocker as always,
so I am considering P6T, P6T Deluxe v2, the P6X58D (which seems to offer no advantage) and the
Rampage II ROG board. I just think that the early implementation of the USB 3.0/SATA 6.0 is too
early.
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In terms of overclocking, you probably won't notice a difference between the P6T, P6T Deluxe V2, and P6X58D. To put it simply, your particular CPU will be more of a limiting factor in the overclock before any one of those boards becomes a barrier itself.
 
aamsel said:
I would be quite interested in the new features if I had good reason to believe
that they have been properly implemented on these motherboard designs.

I don't want eVGA, have stayed with ASUS almost exclusively for some time now.
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Not sure what is making you think that SATA 6 Gb/s and USB 3.0 haven't been properly implement odd with the NEC and Marvell controllers.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/12/11/usb_30_preview/
 
heatlesssun said:
The NB on the X58 is mostly a QPI to PCIE converter if I understand correctly. Everything, including the SB runs through the NB and the SB has 4 PCIE lanes out of the 36 available on the X58. So that's 20 Gb/s which is more than enough for SATA 6bp/s obviously. But then you have USB 3 and other stuff running through there as well as the ICH10R.

So if I have this figured out correctly, EVERYTHING outside of the PCIE lanes for GPU's runs on 4 lanes. Bottom line, there's a lot more bandwidth running through those lanes than they could handle at once.
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The way I understood it was the x58 has 40 lanes total. 36 out of the x58 NB and "4" via DMI to the SB. I am trying to figure out if ASUS has connected the USB 3 and sata 6gbps through the NB or the ICH10R SB. If it is the latter I see some possible future issues with a bottleneck in the DMI bandwidth.
 
PRH said:
The way I understood it was the x58 has 40 lanes total. 36 out of the x58 NB and "4" via DMI to the SB. I am trying to figure out if ASUS has connected the USB 3 and sata 6gbps through the NB or the ICH10R SB. If it is the latter I see some possible future issues with a bottleneck in the DMI bandwidth.
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I believe that you are correct:
"The X58 has 40 PCIe lanes that are arranged in two x16 links, DMI link and "spare"-based link. When used with the ICH10 I/O Controller Hub with x4 DMI connection the "spare" supports a separate x4 PCIe connection. Future southbridge chips DMI may support a wider DMI." : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_X58

However it seems to support only 36 PCIe 2.0 lanes: "The X58 chipset itself supports up to 36 PCI-Express 2.0 lanes, so it is possible to have two PCIe x16 slots and one PCIe x4 slot on the same motherboard.[1]" From the same Wiki article.

That's a little confusing, I need to research this some more.
 
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actually the deluxe v2 has the better layout imho. I have the p6t and sli eats all the slots. Looks cooler too ;).
 
heatlesssun said:
I believe that you are correct:
"The X58 has 40 PCIe lanes that are arranged in two x16 links, DMI link and "spare"-based link. When used with the ICH10 I/O Controller Hub with x4 DMI connection the "spare" supports a separate x4 PCIe connection. Future southbridge chips DMI may support a wider DMI." : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_X58

However it seems to support only 36 PCIe 2.0 lanes: "The X58 chipset itself supports up to 36 PCI-Express 2.0 lanes, so it is possible to have two PCIe x16 slots and one PCIe x4 slot on the same motherboard.[1]" From the same Wiki article.

That's a little confusing, I need to research this some more.
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It is confusing and I have yet to find a definate answer. This all started while researching whether to take the sata 6 USB 3.0 plunge with my new build. What I am hopeing is the USB3/SATA6gbps support on this x58 asus board is connected through the "spare" x4 link off the NB while still allowing true x16/x16 graphics. What I am hoping is NOT the case is it is connected through the ICH10 SB or by stealing part of the x16 lane from the GPU (like the P55 gigabyte board, which I think is highly unlikely). I have basically come to the conclusion that if the sata6/USB3 is connected through the ICH10R I am going to pass and wait for the native SB support with a (hopefully) upgraded DMI pipe.

Looks like it could be a while though as at this point intel is saying 2011 before we could see this. I speculate this delay in usb3/sata6 support nativaly in the southbridge is because it does not make much sense until the DMI pipe is widened. A single SATA6 drive could saturate 30-50% of the DMI bandwidth in the future.
 
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PRH said:
Looks like it could be a while though as at this point intel is saying 2011 before we could see this. I speculate this delay in usb3/sata6 support nativaly in the southbridge is because it does not make much sense until the DMI pipe is widened. A single SATA6 drive could saturate 30-50% of the DMI bandwidth in the future.
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I remember reading about this subject and there was something about the USB 3 ports splitting a x4 lane and not being able to fully utilize USB 3.0 speeds, need to dig that up.
 
Any word on if the USB3/SATA6 is connected through the "spare" x4 link or the DMI connection from the SB? This has me stumped.
 
Yes, finally got the answer:

The P6x58D implementation is worse than any potential ICH11R replacement in the future would be, but only because of the limitations of the Marvell and NEC adaptor chips used to supplement the chipset. (Still the best implementation available)

They are each connectable only up to a single lane PCIe 2.0 maximum! (PCIe 2.1 5Gbps=500MBps) This means SATA-600 max bandwidth is downgraded by 100MBps!

Also, you can only have one device of each type running simultaneously, since even a single device maxes out its respective channel, i.e. one 500MBps USB3 and one 600MBps SATA3 is the most you can do because the bandwidth is all used up, and then some!

So you can have one max USB3 device running at full bandwidth and one max SATA3 device running at 83% of full bandwidth:

Connecting two USB3 (or two SATA3) devices to that interface chip will halve the available bandwidth on that particular protocol. There are only two ports each because of this problem, BTW.

X58 40lanes PCIe =
________________
36lanes PCIe 2.1 = 16x GPU + 16x GPU + 4x SB(DMI-ICH10R)
+
"Spare" 4lanes PCIe 1.1 = 2lanes PCIe 2.1(thru PLX bridge chip convertor) = 1x USB3(NEC) + 1x SATA3(Marvell)

Source: http://hothardware.com/cs/forums/p/45369/340765.aspx

PCIe 1.1 1x=250MBps
PCIe 2.1 1x=500MBps

Seems Asus is false advertising on the box by saying it delivers 6Gbps data transfer rates (over a 5Gbps max bus?! lol)
I guess they meant compatible with the SATA3 standard ;)
 
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Ouch, that sucks, but sure is good to know.

Thankfully, I don't have a problem with it (for now) as my C300 can only take up 350MB/s one-way on the SATA3 side of things. Nothing worth while yet in the USB3 peripheral arena either...
 
I really think this is all a non-issue.
It's probably going to be a year or two until we get reasonably priced SSD's that will saturate SATA 6Gb/s. By then intel will have their new southbridge with USB 3/SATA 6 Gb/s native support. Until that happens, we are stuck just dealing with the sudo-USB 3/SATA 6Gb/s implementations.
 
EliteComputerBuilds said:
Another bad feature about this board is it dont support Raid on the sata III controller..
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There are 6 SATA 3Gb/s ports that do.

It's not like your gigabtye board isn't also limited on it's SATA 6Gb/s ports.

Go troll somewhere else
 
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Deviationer said:
I really think this is all a non-issue.
It's probably going to be a year or two until we get reasonably priced SSD's that will saturate SATA 6Gb/s. By then intel will have their new southbridge with USB 3/SATA 6 Gb/s native support. Until that happens, we are stuck just dealing with the sudo-USB 3/SATA 6Gb/s implementations.
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Or get a third-party add-in board. Like several years ago, I got a SATA II add-in for my old system. It worked.
 
I have a question of a different sort. Regarding the PCI express lanes directly connected to the X58, Can I have 2 GPUs, one Areca 1210 sata raid x8 lane, and one x1 lane sound card all plugged in and work? I am not too familiar with the intel implementation, but from what people wrote here, it seems like there are 32 lanes dedicated to Graphics and 4 'spare' for the North bridge. I asked because back when I had p35 chipset, I cant use PCI express x1 while using the two PCI express 2.0 slots (x16/x4)
 
Yes, but the second GPU PCIe bandwidth will be limited to half speed (8x)

There are four PCIe slots, and it says in the manual you can set it to 16X+8X+8X+1X in the bios
 
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