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Aria vs Shuttle

Up to you:

ARIA: Upgradability, overclockability, quieter, more expansion slots, cheaper
Shuttle: 2 1/2" narrower, nicer look

If you're going stock, there are cheaper Shuttles. The Biostars don't look bad either.
 
sleepeeg3 said:
If you're going stock, there are cheaper Shuttles.
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like what?

I might pick up an aria 2 down the road.. but not anytime soon.. so upgradablility isn't a real issue for me. Thanks.
 
The piss poor selection of good quality Micro ATX boards doesn't give me much reason to recommend cases like the Aria, Shuttles may be a bit more expensive, but you got lots of choices for models and if you wanted to do an Athlon setup, you best do the 939 SN95P model as the 754 socket is dying out quickly.
 
IceWind said:
The piss poor selection of good quality Micro ATX boards doesn't give me much reason to recommend cases like the Aria, Shuttles may be a bit more expensive, but you got lots of choices for models.
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yeah i was thinking about http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=56-101-453&depa=0
its cheap cause of its chipset, but I heard that one shuttle I fiirst posted at the top has better cooling with the smart fan and ICE is better (i think)
 
Don't get that model, the VIAs are simply to unreliable. If you can't swing the cost for the SN95G 939pin model, get the SN85 model with the nforce 3 chipset instead. All shuttle systems use the ICE cooling system
 
alrighty sounds good.. yeah i guess imm gonna get that nf3250 chipset.. thanks.
 
IceWind said:
The piss poor selection of good quality Micro ATX boards doesn't give me much reason to recommend cases like the Aria, Shuttles may be a bit more expensive, but you got lots of choices for models and if you wanted to do an Athlon setup, you best do the 939 SN95P model as the 754 socket is dying out quickly.
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If you're running stock, then it's not going to matter. I'd have to agree about the mobo selection on ARIAs, but the cost/noise issue is still a factor. I definitely like the size/look of the Shuttle-sized SFFs better than the ARIA, but that little power supply fan can't be all that quiet and ultimately sacrificing that 2nd PCI slot was an issue, at least for me.

Early socket A Via was unreliable - those problems are gone. Remember Via was around long before nVidia started making boards and they used to have solid performance.

Anyway, unless you're looking for a quiet system, the noise is probably about average. If you have the money, the Shuttle-sized SFFs win for the cutesey factor. ;)
 
sleepeeg3 said:
If you're running stock, then it's not going to matter. I'd have to agree about the mobo selection on ARIAs, but the cost/noise issue is still a factor. I definitely like the size/look of the Shuttle-sized SFFs better than the ARIA, but that little power supply fan can't be all that quiet and ultimately sacrificing that 2nd PCI slot was an issue, at least for me.

Early socket A Via was unreliable - those problems are gone. Remember Via was around long before nVidia started making boards and they used to have solid performance.
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Incorrect. Shuttle has replaced the older PSU with a newer SilentX model that is much quieter in comparison.

Via may have been around longer, but my experience in their current and past chipsets leaves much to be desired and with nVidia making better and faster chipsets in the shorter time they have been in the market only emphazies my point further.

With SFF"'s you gain some and you loose some, you have to decided for yourself if the gains are worth the loss.
 
The K8T800 boards would be better, the MSi and Gigabyte ones...you cant go wrong with em, i got one.
 
StinkyMojo said:
yeah i was thinking about http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=56-101-453&depa=0
its cheap cause of its chipset, but I heard that one shuttle I fiirst posted at the top has better cooling with the smart fan and ICE is better (i think)
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I just bought an SK83G over the Christmas holidays and I have not had an ounce of problems with it. Here is what I am running:

Athlon 64 3200+
1GB Mushkin ram
120GB WD Hard Drive
Abit 9600XT
NEC 8X DVD Burner.

I'm idling at 33C.

Just my .02 cents. Your mileage may vary.


Novensu
 
IceWind said:
Incorrect. Shuttle has replaced the older PSU with a newer SilentX model that is much quieter in comparison.

Via may have been around longer, but my experience in their current and past chipsets leaves much to be desired and with nVidia making better and faster chipsets in the shorter time they have been in the market only emphazies my point further.

With SFF"'s you gain some and you loose some, you have to decided for yourself if the gains are worth the loss.
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There is nothing incorrect. A 40mm fan is going to have to spin faster and be whinier to cool down a similar watt PSU than a low speed 120mm. I spent some time browsing on the SFFTech forums and I was still planning to replace the PSU fan if I went that route, for that reason. Like I said, it probably compares to your average system. Plus you would have to sacrifice a quiet Silencer or other 3rd party cooling on your video card. Read some reviews.

Have you even used a K8 Via board? They have a more efficient HTT bus than nVidia and at the same speeds are actually a bit faster in most reviews, not to mention cheaper. The only real downside to Via now is most of their boards aren't good OCers, so they still have alot of negative bias toward them. If I wasn't going to overclock (which is never going to happen), I'd consider a SiS or Via.
 
sleepeeg3 said:
There is nothing incorrect. A 40mm fan is going to have to spin faster and be whinier to cool down a similar watt PSU than a low speed 120mm. I spent some time browsing on the SFFTech forums and I was still planning to replace the PSU fan if I went that route, for that reason. Like I said, it probably compares to your average system. Plus you would have to sacrifice a quiet Silencer or other 3rd party cooling on your video card. Read some reviews.

Have you even used a K8 Via board? They have a more efficient HTT bus than nVidia and at the same speeds are actually a bit faster in most reviews, not to mention cheaper. The only real downside to Via now is most of their boards aren't good OCers, so they still have alot of negative bias toward them. If I wasn't going to overclock (which is never going to happen), I'd consider a SiS or Via.
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Yes, I have, it was the ASUS A8V, and it was the worst motherboard i've ever dealt with.
 
I have used several Athlon 64 VIA boards. All without issue. Yes they are not good overclockers, but at stock they were as fast or faster than their nvidia counterparts. Still one of my favorite boards for stability and features was the MSI K8T800 FISR2 (though it was ATX).

In the MicroATX format`there are currently no easy to obtain options in socket 939. However there are some on the horizon:

FIC K8M-NF3 250

Oh and the Radeon XPress 200 boards (we'll have to wait and see about these)

MSI RS480M-IL

As for socket 754, their are a few good ones which easilyh rival or best the comparable shuttle XPCs.

MSI K8MM-ISLR K8M800
DFI K8M800-MLVF
Biostar K8VGAM

and if you go big
 
I think you need to ask yourself why you're going SFF.

If it's just to save space (although Aria's arent exactly small), and to have a system you can put on your desk, regardless of how good or ugly a case might be, than the Aria is for you. As other's have mentioned it allows for more 'upgradability', though it's not more quiet than current G5 and especially P Shuttles, and they offer crappy cooling.

If you're going SFF because you like the aesthetics, than you have no choice but to go Shuttle (or Soldam if you can afford it).
They're beautiful, plus offer good cooling and are relatively quiet (although they're not very upgradable).
 
a little change of plan.. im getting a 6800 Ultra, which takes 2 slots including 1 pci, and i have an audigy 2 value.. that wont leave any room for that one aria pci cooler.. and antec says its an integral part in the cooling preocess. well, i guess there would be one slot open, but still, how wouold I arrange it? any ideas?
 
That is a good question.

I would remove the Aria cooler and cut a fan whole in the side of the case. This can be a bit further forward. giving you room for your cards.

Or 2 fans 1 on each side of the case doing a push - pull configuration. This would give you a bit more airflow and you could slow the fans down with a rheobus or resistors in-line with the fan to drop the perceived voltage (slowing down the blades). This will give you reduced noise in the aria.

Or you could water-cool it! Get the global win kit for ease. You won't drop your temps much, but you will effectively cool the aria.
 
I was thinking of building and then selling an Antec Aria system for some extra cash. I was thinking of going with either of the following:

Athlon XP
Pentium M
Athlon 64 (754, 939)
P4 (775)
 
i would not dare try to stick a prescott in an aria without a good bit of modification.
 
my friend has the AOpen i915p mATx board, with a 3.4 presscot LGA775, X700 pro, 2 HD's stock cooler, etc. and they never surpass 60c under load
 
StinkyMojo said:
a little change of plan.. im getting a 6800 Ultra, which takes 2 slots including 1 pci, and i have an audigy 2 value.. that wont leave any room for that one aria pci cooler.. and antec says its an integral part in the cooling preocess. well, i guess there would be one slot open, but still, how wouold I arrange it? any ideas?
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There's 3 PCI slots so you would be fine. If you need another PCI slot the ASUS 6800 Ultra is only 1 slot.
 
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