Are 17" Laptops Becoming Extinct?

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I currently have a 17" Lenovo Laptop that is a couple years old and I still really like it. It runs everything really well. It will even run Cyberpunk 2077 with Raytracing turned on really well, maybe not extreme settings at 4k 120fps but at my 1080 display resolution and high settings I find it extremly playable.
Back on topic :) I got an E-mail from Lenovo for a sale on there website which I get often, I went there and was looking at Laptops and I seen a bunch of 15" and the newer 16" ones but not a single 17". I have been seeing alot of the new 16" size laptops for other brands as well but haven't really looked into other brands to see of they had 17" Laptops as well.

Just wondering if 17" laptops were dying out and why?
 
I currently have a 17" Lenovo Laptop that is a couple years old and I still really like it. It runs everything really well. It will even run Cyberpunk 2077 with Raytracing turned on really well, maybe not extreme settings at 4k 120fps but at my 1080 display resolution and high settings I find it extremly playable.
Back on topic :) I got an E-mail from Lenovo for a sale on there website which I get often, I went there and was looking at Laptops and I seen a bunch of 15" and the newer 16" ones but not a single 17". I have been seeing alot of the new 16" size laptops for other brands as well but haven't really looked into other brands to see of they had 17" Laptops as well.

Just wondering if 17" laptops were dying out and why?
There are a few brands sticking to 17-inch laptops, like Dell (XPS 17). But you're right in that the seem to be fading away.

I'd chalk it up to a number of factors. To begin with, 16-inch laptops often cover what a 17-inch laptop was used for, and in many cases are close enough or better in terms of resolution and performance. Those that really want to go big, meanwhile, can get 18-inch systems like the Razer Blade 18. And the simple reality is that many mainstream users are perfectly happy with a 15-inch or smaller laptop, whether they're gaming or just watching YouTube.
 
If I could get a 20" laptop for gaming I would. I can't stand small screens. External monitors are fine if you are using a laptop at home for some reason but on the go that's not really viable.
 
If I could get a 20" laptop for gaming I would. I can't stand small screens. External monitors are fine if you are using a laptop at home for some reason but on the go that's not really viable.
I can't remember who made it, but on YouTube I seen a review of a 24" curved display laptop. I think It was like $6000 if I remember correctly. But this was a while ago and obviously limited production.

 
If I could get a 20" laptop for gaming I would. I can't stand small screens. External monitors are fine if you are using a laptop at home for some reason but on the go that's not really viable.
Didn't Dell make a 20 inch laptop once upon a time? Had a Radeon Mobility X1800 I think? Or am I thinking of someone else...
 
Didn't Dell make a 20 inch laptop once upon a time? Had a Radeon Mobility X1800 I think? Or am I thinking of someone else...
No, you're right... it was the XPS M2010, and it was basically a desktop that happened to fold shut. Good specs for the time, but Dell unsurprisingly axed it given that few people were willing to lug almost 20 pounds to the coffee shop or a LAN party. Even modern all-in-ones like the iMac (about half the weight) are more portable.
 
No, you're right... it was the XPS M2010, and it was basically a desktop that happened to fold shut. Good specs for the time, but Dell unsurprisingly axed it given that few people were willing to lug almost 20 pounds to the coffee shop or a LAN party. Even modern all-in-ones like the iMac (about half the weight) are more portable.
I would love to have one just because. Not sure what I'd play on it now. Warcraft 2? :D I'm being facetious of course.
 
No, you're right... it was the XPS M2010, and it was basically a desktop that happened to fold shut. Good specs for the time, but Dell unsurprisingly axed it given that few people were willing to lug almost 20 pounds to the coffee shop or a LAN party. Even modern all-in-ones like the iMac (about half the weight) are more portable.
It would still be alot easier to move around than a desktop. I don't move my 17" Laptop very often but when I do I don't really find packing it up in the backpack and carrying it around that much of a chore.
 
Still waiting for one of these bad boys...

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I think 17" laptops will be extinct in the next two to three years just like Sony's VAIO 18.4".
 
Ok, I got good news. I have seen a couple companies now that have 18" laptops. Both Razer and Alienware either have or are coming out with 18" laptops. I was looking at Razer's version and didn't care for how they used a small TKL keyboard, It looks so tiny in that huge chassis. But I think they used the space on the sides of the keyboard for speakers, or at least that's how it looked to me. Could be a good thing maybe. There pretty pricey however.
I looked at Alienwares website and I really liked the looks and specs of there 18" laptop. I seen how cheaply I could configure the laptop and got it down to about $1600, not to bad really. I paid $1400 for my 17" a couple years back.
Hopefully we will see more 18" laptops coming out soon.

[edit] WTF Razer! Just looked at their website to see how cheap I could get there 18" laptop and they want $2900 for there 4060 version. I looked further down and they want $1600 to upgrade from a 1tb SSD to a 2tb SSD. I really hope this was a typo!
https://www.razer.com/gaming-laptops/Razer-Blade-18/RZ09-0484REH3-R3U1
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I have a different use case than you, no need to game and mainly spreadsheet and coding, but I have been scoping out the LG gram 17. Looks like you can get 12th Gen versions very cheaply these days (not much of a bump in 13th Gen anyway).
 
I have a different use case than you, no need to game and mainly spreadsheet and coding, but I have been scoping out the LG gram 17. Looks like you can get 12th Gen versions very cheaply these days (not much of a bump in 13th Gen anyway).
nor the 14th, and for that type of use are you really gonna notice any difference?!
 
nor the 14th, and for that type of use are you really gonna notice any difference?!
Pulled the trigger on a used (excellent condition) gram 17. 13th Gen i7, 32gb ram, 1tb SSD for less than 40% of retail. Seller had thousands of reviews and free shipping to APOs, so fingers crossed it's not a big box of dick-shaped glitter or hasn't been used as a cricket bat.
 
The box had an actual laptop (exactly as described) - had an at-the-install-screen copy of win11. Though once I got it up and running, some setting appeared to be controlled by an administrator/group policy. Maybe it.is my total lack of familiarity with windows 11. Either way, will probably swap out the SSD and fresh install win10 from known good media.

This thing is insanely light, definitely compared to my xps13, and should be perfect for travel! Looking forward to working on this giant screen, hah.
 
I've been on/off looking for a large notebook for my father in law for the past few years, always waiting for AMD to catch up with the mobile CPUs, but realized something was off today after I found exactly one 17,3" unit, and with Zen 3 CPU only on top of that.
I always simply filtered everything from Lenovo (that's the brand I'm sticking with for a few years now), 17 or 17,3", Ryzen 5 or 7. I played around with the filters a bit and got tens of results going down to 16", and obviously Zen4 models among them.
Did I miss anything important? Large screens are not a thing anymore?
There are some 17- and 18-inch systems, but they're definitely not as popular as they used to be. Part of it is that 16-inch systems often deliver a large-enough screen with the same functionality, but in a more portable shape.

As it stands, I'm thinking my next computer might be a 14-inch MacBook Pro with an external monitor. When I need a big screen, I'm probably at home; when I'm away, I need something that can fit in my backpack or on an airplane tray table.
 
I found exactly one 17,3" unit, and with Zen 3 CPU only on top of that.
The only customers I run into looking for 17" screens these days are 100 years old. Those specs make sense if that's the primary demographic.

Manufactures already have a hard enough time designing lids \ hinges that are sufficient for 15" screens. I can't imagine how quickly low end 17" models rip themselves apart.
 
I recently bought a 17.3" MSI Pulse laptop. Seems to be lots of 17" options at the store I purchased it at, from all vendors.
 
What seems to be dying are the 17.3" bulky laptops, like workstations and DTR models.
 
Just a curious question, I've always had a 15.6 inch laptop and always thought that a bigger laptop with a wider screen is always better. However, I've heard that 17.3 inch laptops are a bit too big and bulky or not too easy to carry and I want to know you guy's experiences with a 17.3 inch laptop. Is it good? Is it too big or bulky? I'm pretty interested in getting a bigger laptop for the first time, especially a gaming one.

Edit: thanks for the comments! I think I've decided to get a 17.3 inch laptop. If you guys are wondering what I'm going to get, I've had my eyes on the Lenovo Legion 5i (17.3in) with 16gm ram and 1tb storage. Perfect for playing new games like Genshin Impact.
Personal Computers are Personal. I've had an MSI Stealth 17.3" for ~6 years. It's a gaming laptop, not just a 17.3" screen. That matter, too. I like the specs, including the larger, 144Mhz IPS screen. I chose the Stealth as it was thinner than other 17.3" models with NV 70 series mobile GPU's available at the time. So, check the total size/dimensions/specs. All are not equal.

It needs a carry case that can accommodate it. Not all conveyances are big enough or provide the right protection. I recently bought a new roller for mine. Size was a factor. The power brick for mine is larger, even though they have done some good work getting the 180w-230w bricks reduced in size, size and weight, is a factor. You can avoid this by getting an non gaming laptop. Power is much reduced on newer systems without dedicated gpus. They don't have the larger brick.

Flying is a factor. I don't put the 17.3" laptop on a tray table. So, if you need to get some work done on flights or just want to consume some media, that's an issue.

Carrying it around from room to room in an office is not as convenient. Especially, if I need to plug that fat brick in.

But, having a larger screen and being able to see what I'm doing is huge. Also, it's nice when sharing info - people can see my screen without having to zoom into a single word.

My next may be a 16". Maybe.
 
I think gaming laptops in general are dying, not necessarily based on the screen size. They just get outdated fast, are super expensive, and core replacement parts are expensive. You can get a mini-PC with an occulink or USB4 port, a portable monitor, portable mechanical keyboard, and portable mouse for almost 1/3rd the price of a similar-priced gaming laptop, and use the 2/3rd left over to buy a graphics card. Or, you can just buy mini-PC and all of the peripherals that come with a good iGPU for 1/2 the price.

Sure, laptops are quicker to setup and put away, as well as have a battery, but mini-PC's only take a minute more to setup and put away, and you can use a battery pack to power them.

Not that mini-PC's are any better for upgrading, but they're definitely cheaper. Portable monitors are also getting cheaper, and their quality is already better than laptop screens that came out 2-3 years ago.

There's also Nintendo Switches, Steamdecks, and a bunch more portable gaming devices that make most gaming laptops obsolete.

If I were rich, though, I probably would love a 17.3" gaming laptop, and wouldn't care that a year later it loses half it's value. I have a 16" 2K portable monitor, and it's still difficult to us in 2K just because the font size is too small. I still have to go up to 150% magnification.
 
I think gaming laptops in general are dying, not necessarily based on the screen size. They just get outdated fast, are super expensive, and core replacement parts are expensive.
I thought it was the other way around:
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

4060 laptop gpu more popular than the 3060 laptop, who were more popular than the 1660 laptop and so on, that they were part of the mix of why desktop and discrete GPU sales are going down years after years.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gaming-laptops-market-experience-remarkable-140000529.html

The advantage of the Laptop over the mini-pc seem more obvious than the advantage of the mini-pc and the complicated kit that include a monitor over a regular PC, once you carry all that....

Nvidia decision (and many of AMD) seem to be turning around the gaming Laptop market quite a bit, also showing sign they feel like it will continue to be a big market. There is very young kids that are into gaming, that do not understand that a computer can be a computer if there is not a screen on it.
 
I thought it was the other way around:
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

4060 laptop gpu more popular than the 3060 laptop, who were more popular than the 1660 laptop and so on, that they were part of the mix of why desktop and discrete GPU sales are going down years after years.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gaming-laptops-market-experience-remarkable-140000529.html

The advantage of the Laptop over the mini-pc seem more obvious than the advantage of the mini-pc and the complicated kit that include a monitor over a regular PC, once you carry all that....

Nvidia decision (and many of AMD) seem to be turning around the gaming Laptop market quite a bit, also showing sign they feel like it will continue to be a big market. There is very young kids that are into gaming, that do not understand that a computer can be a computer if there is not a screen on it.
It's all about use case and budget. Yeah, people out there are clueless. They'll buy a mid-tier 2019 desktop for $1K because the seller put it in a new case with ARGB fans (shame on those people). I upgraded my desktop built in 2017 with a new CPU, CPU Cooler, Motherboard, DDR4 memory, and graphics card for $500. I can't ugrade my laptop the same way. I'm also always home, so a laptop, even a gaming one, doesn't make sense to buy. Maybe if I were a college student, but I would be studying, not gaming.

There's been USB OS To-Go drives since 2014 or whenever. My Samsung phone for DEX, or my mini-PC, with OpenVPN and RDP. Even Steam Cloud for gaming (and Xbox Cloud if you have GamePass), if I didn't have that. If I need compute or graphics power, I can always Remote Desktop with my VPN, and not need a beefy system as long as I have good connection speed (which for most gaming these days, that's needed by default).

People buy laptops because they have money to spend, and don't want to invest in learning how to make do with spending less.
 
I'm also always home, so a laptop, even a gaming one, doesn't make sense to buy.
I mean............. so would a mini-PC... to play game why not a full one.

A laptop for working outside when it is nice, from the couch, table or in bed will be easier than any other solution and be something people do even if they almost never bring a computer outside their property.

The idea that the Laptop will die from the competition coming from custom setup of mini-pc, external monitor, discrete GPU, seem to remove a lot of use case for which the laptop is just vastly superior, other where it is not outside being much simpler to transport and setup which is still a big plus and how much ease of purchase and use for that audience is worth.

Talking about VPN or remote desktop.... the people with the gaming laptop often will not a big desktop to remote play from. People with limited budget will often buy a single thick laptop instead of a nice thin one for laptop use and nice desktop for desktop use or urban very limited space.
 
I mean............. so would a mini-PC... to play game why not a full one.

A laptop for working outside when it is nice, from the couch, table or in bed will be easier than any other solution and be something people do even if they almost never bring a computer outside their property.

The idea that the Laptop will die from the competition coming from custom setup of mini-pc, external monitor, discrete GPU, seem to remove a lot of use case for which the laptop is just vastly superior, other where it is not outside being much simpler to transport and setup which is still a big plus and how much ease of purchase and use for that audience is worth.

Talking about VPN or remote desktop.... the people with the gaming laptop often will not a big desktop to remote play from. People with limited budget will often buy a single thick laptop instead of a nice thin one for laptop use and nice desktop for desktop use or urban very limited space.
Have you played games for hours on a gaming laptop? You're not using the trackpad, you're using a mouse. You also end up getting a mouse pad. For me, I also didn't like using the keyboard. So, I'm using my own gaming keyboard and mouse, with a mousepad, connected to my laptop. This was 7 years ago when I still used a laptop. Why in the world would I not just get a mini-PC for 1/3rd to half the cost if I'm just going to use my own keyboard, mouse, and mouse pad, anyway? All that's left is the internals and monitor (and I have a 16" 2K IPS HDR 144Hz portable monitor that I got on sale for $120).

My mother-in-law had a nice Macbook Pro back in 2017. I built her a desktop computer when I moved with my family nearby. If she didn't like it, I would give it to my brother-in-law. She spent all her time on it, and I never saw her using the Macbook. Her husband would also spend all his time on her desktop, so I built one for him, too. She only had the Macbook because she doesn't know about computers. I mean, you have a nice $2000 laptop, and you're spending all your time using a $500 desktop PC? I mean, they have docking stations for a reason. It's 2024 now, and her Macbook Pro is now obsolete, but her desktop monitor, keyboard, mouse, case, psu, and HDD's are still good to re-use. For $200, I just upgraded her CPU/MB/CPU cooler/NVMe. Can't do that with a laptop.

We also went on an extended family trip to Norway. She had her Macbook mini (a newer one she got from a friend), and I had my mini-PC setup at our hotel. She ended up using my mini-PC that VPN'd and RDP'd into her desktop computer at home. She'd ask to use my mini-PC rather than use her Macbook Mini.

I worked at Microsoft, BNN Technologies, and a bunch of Fortune 100 companies in the tech sector. Even the best tech people there didn't know a lot about fine-tuning hardware, or even the capabilities at the time, much less certain software or DBA. My goal is to show them the way.
 
I am not sure what we are talking about here, are we still on the gaming Laptop are dying, is there any data behind this or will be about anecdotal you and me... I never had a gaming laptop, but I am thinking about it for the first time.

Why in the world would I not just get a mini-PC for 1/3rd to half the cost if I'm just going to use my own keyboard, mouse, and mouse pad, anyway
And why not a regular, why mini here ?

I worked at Microsoft, BNN Technologies, and a bunch of Fortune 100 companies in the tech sector. Even the best tech people there didn't know a lot about fine-tuning hardware, or even the capabilities at the time, much less certain software or DBA. My goal is to show them the way.
And from that you conclude that gaming laptop pc are dying because people will vpn to their desktop at home....
 
I am not sure what we are talking about here, are we still on the gaming Laptop are dying, is there any data behind this or will be about anecdotal you and me... I never had a gaming laptop, but I am thinking about it for the first time.


And why not a regular, why mini here ?


And from that you conclude that gaming laptop pc are dying because people will vpn to their desktop at home....
They are dying, because there are more options out there. More knowledge, more savings. If you don't need great photos and videos, or Samsung DEX, don't spend $1,500 on an S12 Ultra, spend $500 on a OnePlus 12, which still has great screen quality (but not AMOLED), and better gaming for 1/3rd the price.
 
They are dying, because there are more options out there
Source ? how big was decline in gaming laptop was in 2024 vs 2023 vs pre-covid ? Feel like you are just trolling or something I do not understand because english is a second language, I am sorry if so.

There were alternative option for a long time, Nintendo Switch, regular small pc is far to be a new thing. While gaming laptop got better and better, top end can match a 12900k-RTX 3090 going at full power.
 
Source ? how big was decline in gaming laptop was in 2024 vs 2023 vs pre-covid ? Feel like you are just trolling or something I do not understand because english is a second language, I am sorry if so.

There were alternative option for a long time, Nintendo Switch, regular small pc is far to be a new thing. While gaming laptop got better and better, top end can match a 12900k-RTX 3090 going at full power.
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If you want to spend your $3,000 budget on one tricked out gaming laptop, that's your choice. I'd rather spend $3,000 on upgrading my desktop, buying a Steamdeck, a new phone, a mini-PC, and a portable monitor.
 
what does it have to do with a decline in the sells of gaming Laptop.

How was all of that not true 10 years ago, 5 years ago ? It was always quite expensive by performance.
 
I'd say gaming laptops still have their place, but they can't just be good for gaming now — and large screens aren't great in that regard.

Case in point: I got to try ASUS' ROG Strix Scar 16 (the 2023 model). It was fast, it had a good screen... but it was also thick, heavy, and lasted for just a couple of hours on battery unless you really nursed it (even outside of gaming). The kind of machine you only really get if you're an esports competitor or participate in LAN parties like it's 2004. Great in those cases, but I wouldn't want to lug it across an airport or college campus.

The best gaming laptops now are the do-it-all ones that have solid battery life and are reasonably portable. They don't have to last for ages, but you do have to look at them without groaning at the thought of either carrying them or having to immediately find a wall outlet. The current ROG Zephyrus G14 is a good example.
 
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