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I would like to have some feedback from people who have or are actually using Aqua-Computer products. I am about to purchase a major H2O setup and I want some pro's and con's. I will personally give the person with the best set-up $100.00 bucks, NO BS! I will do it through pay-pal or through the vendor of your choice. I am not kidding, I just spent 4 grand on my new set-up and it is running too hot! Of course I want to OC even more. The set-up is as follows:

1 ASUS A8N SLI DELUXE
2 ASUS EN 6800 ULTRA
1 AMD FX-55
2 1G CORSAIR XMS LL PRO
3 BARRACUDA 160 RAID 5
2 RAPTORS 74 RAID 0
1 H DESKSTAR 80 FOR WINDOWS
1 PC P&C 510 SLI
1 APPLE 23" CINEMA DISPLAY
2 SONY DUAL LAYER DVD
LIAN-LI V-1000-THE WEAKSPOT, GREAT CASE BUT TOO SMALL

My highest resolution gives 3DMark3 scores of 16,000 without OCing, but when I really OC the ASUS chipset get's way too hot and thus a total freeze! I have to cool this rig and I am going all the way. I want the best and I want to do it now.
Please post your ideas!
 
why not just go for a swiftech kit, add an extra radiator and a chipset cooler and i would think you would be golden. However, if asthetics are your thing i guess aqua computer would be the name of the game, just realize you may have to do some case modification to get what you want.
 
Okay Aqua Computer here we go:

CPU Cooler: Cuplex XT
GPU Coolers: Choice 1: AquagraFX 6800 rev 2 Choice 2: Twinplex 6800
NB Cooler: Twinplex w/ATI screen or by Koolance GPU-180-L06.
HDD Coolers: Choice 1: Koolance HD-50-L06 Choice 2: Would be Aquadrives, but you really don't have a lot of room in that case to use these.
Reservoir: Aquatube put in horizontally with an Aquabay AT. Or if mounted into the top of the case a mounting plate. Either way you would want an Aquajet.
Fan & Temp Control: Aquaero with in-the-coolant Plug & Cool temp sensors or Innovatek sensors.
Radiator: Asetek Black Ice Pro III or Aquacomputer Airplex Evo 360. Either radiator mounted to top of case with Aqua Computer Airplex Evo 360 grill.
Pump: Aquastream.

Now for the discussion: Ditch the V1000 case and get a V2000 case as it has way more room. The Twinplex's give you more fexibility in future installations whereas the combo ram/gpu coolers do both so you don't need any video ram sinks. Both the Twinplex's and the XT coolers are also available in Silver block models as well. Depending on how many HD's you want to cool you might also consider using two (2) Aquastream pumps off the same reservoir. The Aquaero can control 2 of the Aquastream pumps at the same time and you can OC them to somewhat the flow of a Eheim 1048.

I can tell you a lot of this stuff is in stock at Sharka Corp and I *think* the stuff that isn't will be here sometime next week. No one has heard or seen from Dan @ SNT in a while so I can't speak for what they might have or not. :)

Basically I have what I recommended and also have an A8N-SLI rig with 2 Asus 6600 GT's similarly set up as yourself, which I am still putting together. :D
 
my setup has brands from all over. to think i wanted to get everything from dangerden but ended up not having any danger den components.

anyway the only AC part i have is the Cuplex evo 1.1. I use it with a swiftech mcp600 so its kind of low flow block with high flow pump which no one really recommends.

anyway it works well enough for me. I probably will get the airplex 240 rad and the grill in the future. I also want to cover up some bad cuts on the top of my case and it looks like it will do that nicely.

if the parts were a bit cheaper i would move everything to AC but i just cant afford it.
 
"$100 to anyone with an idea based on AquaComouter components!"

*idea posted*

" I can't afford the extra coin for that idea :( "

Way to go man :rolleyes:
 
Here's my ultimate cooling idea using Innovatek products. They also use 8mm ID fittings so it would be compatable with Aquacomputer if you want to mix and match.

Start with a kit to get you all the basic parts and accessories. Take this one for example:
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-wat-53.html
There are others that use different WB and Rad.

Add a second 12V HPPS pump and a second dual fan radiator.
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-pmp-09.html <- Very similar to the one provided by Aquacomputer

Add a couple of these for your SLI video cards. They even have an option for putting a blue LEDs sandwiched in the middle.
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-blc-139.html

Add this chipset cooler:
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-blc-170.html

Finally, add a res of your choice. I like this one since you can add a temp prob and LEDs to it as an option. Also similar to what Aquacomputer has and can be mounted in a similar bracket.
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-res-41.html

Now configure the system like so:

Res -> Pump 1 and Pump 2 with a Y-fitting

Pump 1 -> CPU WB -> Chipset WB -> Dual Fan Radiator 1 -> Res
Pump 2 -> Video WB 1 -> Video WB 2 -> Dual Fan Radiator 2 -> Res

While these are all optimized for low flow, using one pump to go through four WB's and a radiator is quite a task. Splitting up the tasks will give better results.

You wouldn't necessarily need a Y-fitting to go to the pump or radiator if you use the Res I linked to above. Just use the extra holes for more fittings. There is a total of 5 holes to use so you could use a temp prob here too.

For more fun, use the temp prob to control the speed of the fans. Water temp goes up, fans spin faster. Innovatek makes a nice, but expensive, controller that can do this. You could also use the motherboard temp sensors to control the speed of the fans too or do it manually with a run-of-the-mill fan controller.

One other option is to add a flow rate monitor like this one:
Flow Meter Pro
Add two and connect them to the motherboard fan headers to monitor each pump so if either fails, the computer shuts down. Add one just before the res so if the flow rate drops below a set value, the computer shuts down since the total flow rate would be lower if one pump failed and the other kept working.

If you don't want to try to fit two dual fan radiators, try two singles and a passive radiator of your choice. Let the passive radiator do most of the work and have the fans come on for the singles only when the temperature reaches a set point. Or use one triple fan radiator and have all the water go through that.

Innovatek has red, black, blue, and clear colors for lots of their products so you have a choice here too. I didn't include all of the fittings necessary for the setup but this gives you a good idea to start with. If you choose this setup, I could provide a complete listing. Innovatek parts can be bought from FrozenCPU, HighSpeedPC, and Sharkacorp.

SparksNelec
 
I myself have wanted to dive into the Aqua Computer realm extremely badly. However, I am having issues sourcing my main component which is the Airplex Evo 1800. Top Nurse: Can you get one of these?

Anyway, my comment on the:
GPU Coolers: Choice 1: AquagraFX 6800 rev 2 Choice 2: Twinplex 6800

I vote Dual Twinplexes:
a. Less Cost
b. Future Upgradability
c. Less Heat in Loop
d. Less Corrosion due to metal mixing
e. GDDR3 doesn't gain much from WC vs Ramsinks...
 
J-Mag said:
I myself have wanted to dive into the Aqua Computer realm extremely badly. However, I am having issues sourcing my main component which is the Airplex Evo 1800. Top Nurse: Can you get one of these?
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I can't but you can e-mail Wes at Sharka Corp and he can. :D I'm not sure if it would be able to come out in the shipment leaving Austria Thursday or Friday, but if your in a hurry call him at 714-375-0275. Anything Aqua Computer has is available by special order from Sharka if they don't stock it. What they do stock (and it isn't 1-2's) is listed on the site.

Anyway, my comment on the:
GPU Coolers: Choice 1: AquagraFX 6800 rev 2 Choice 2: Twinplex 6800

I vote Dual Twinplexes:
a. Less Cost
b. Future Upgradability
c. Less Heat in Loop
d. Less Corrosion due to metal mixing
e. GDDR3 doesn't gain much from WC vs Ramsinks...
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My sentiments exactly! :cool:
 
100.00 for what to tell you what to build ?

Do you want to build it yourself or have it done?

I'll sell you the case and watercooling
and yes its dual dump, dual rad

Also ive heard SLI not working on apple displays, or do you have it now and have tried it?
Would not work on my 30 cinema

More pics here http://snt-systems.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223

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Thread Jack :eek:

So tell me what those valves are for and what the header does?
 
oh my god thats fucking sick aviddigy... (or whatever :p)

how much for that baby?

And is that a v2000 ? :eek:

here's a question for Top Nurse (the aqua master :p) does Aqua Computer really worth it? is it better than any other USA w.cooling like switctech or danger den?
 
simon27 said:
...here's a question for Top Nurse (the aqua master) does Aqua Computer really worth it? is it better than any other USA w.cooling like switctech or danger den?
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder is what they have said for centuries. So I suppose you have to ask yourself is a Mercedes Benz a better car than say a Lincoln Continental? Depends on what you want and how much you got, right?

As ModSquad2 said recently "BUT lets face_facts..We are H20 cooling to say we are H20 cooling..and Aqua-Computer makes the best looking gear on the planet..It's your call..."
 
theseeker said:
...I will personally give the person with the best set-up $100.00 bucks, NO BS! I will do it through pay-pal or through the vendor of your choice. I am not kidding..."
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So what happened to the noob with the $100? :rolleyes: I suspect we will never see him again.... :eek:
 
Ya $100.00 :rolleyes:
The valves were for aesthetic purpose only, they were laying around and i wanted to use them. For someone that was going to say they actually do something ( not me ) you can turn the valves off to change out parts without most of your water leaking everywhere. But the aquatubes are so small you still have to add more water anyway, and the one in the aquabay is not fun to fill because of the paint and putting the case on its back ;)
 
lol Now I am in love with the aqua system components lol...

I really am in love with them... they look so awesome :p

<3 aqua
 
Aviddigi said:
Also ive heard SLI not working on apple displays, or do you have it now and have tried it?
Would not work on my 30 cinema
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FYI, SLI works fine with Apple Displays (although there is a general widescreen issue). The reason it didn't work on your 30in Cinema is cause you need Dual-Iink DVI. Unfortunately this means you need either Quadro's or I think Asus has a GT and Ultra with Dual-Link DVI
 
J-Mag said:
FYI, SLI works fine with Apple Displays (although there is a general widescreen issue). The reason it didn't work on your 30in Cinema is cause you need Dual-Iink DVI. Unfortunately this means you need either Quadro's or I think Asus has a GT and Ultra with Dual-Link DVI
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Yes i know that thank you, thats why i told him to look before he bought any of this stuff. Thanks
 
Top Nurse said:
As ModSquad2 said recently "BUT lets face_facts..We are H20 cooling to say we are H20 cooling..and Aqua-Computer makes the best looking gear on the planet..It's your call..."
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well, i'm watercooling because i couldn't afford phase change, but i seem to be an exception in a number of respects around here.

i also really don't get this whole cabling fetish, and the desire for "bling" in in people's cases.

however, when i comes to cars, i have not liked a single north american piece of trash that i have had the misfortune of driving.
 
DFI Daishi said:
well, i'm watercooling because i couldn't afford phase change, but i seem to be an exception in a number of respects around here.

i also really don't get this whole cabling fetish, and the desire for "bling" in in people's cases.

however, when i comes to cars, i have not liked a single north american piece of trash that i have had the misfortune of driving.
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So you like bling in your cars right? The bling in your case will draw you to it as well. I suspect that the biggest market for Aqua Computer products are the same people who drive Porsche, Mercedes, BMW's, and other fine cars or who would like to be driving them but can't afford them ;)

The cabling fetish is just another part of making the case the most efficient in all areas. Clean cases flow better and if you put a window on it then do you really want a spider web of wires to show the world what a cluttered head you are? :cool:
 
Top Nurse said:
So you like bling in your cars right? The bling in your case will draw you to it as well. I suspect that the biggest market for Aqua Computer products are the same people who drive Porsche, Mercedes, BMW's, and other fine cars or who would like to be driving them but can't afford them ;)

The cabling fetish is just another part of making the case the most efficient in all areas. Clean cases flow better and if you put a window on it then do you really want a spider web of wires to show the world what a cluttered head you are? :cool:
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in point of fact i hate bling in cars. i hate loud exhaust systems, especially ones that use a resonator plate to make it even louder than straight pipes would. i despise people who drive by my house at 3:00 playing music loudly enough to wake me up inside the house, on the second floor, with my window closed. and as for kit: if you didn't like the way that it looked stock, then why did you buy that model. i drive an utter POS, and will do so until i can afford something that has some performance, and looks decent stock. note that performance comes first.

in cases, i like lian-li, not thermaltake xaser. in cars, i like a stock 350Z/WRX/RX-8 and several others. i think that civics with a tonne of kit look cheap and cheesy.

as for the "efficiency" of cable fetish........i have helped one of my friends, who has a cabling fetich, to troubleshoot his machine. it was a huge pain in the ass. trying to find an alternate cable to connect part X to, trying to get all of his cables free from where they were tucked away so we could pull out his supply to try mine instead and many other little problems before the nightmare of trying to put the thing back together "properly."

when i crack open my case, i want to reach in there and be able to grab any given cable, any given part, pull it, test it, test another part in my system, and then put things back together reasonably quickly. no hunting for a cable, no struggle to remove my supply.

as for "the world" seeing.........who's looking? i mean, maybe 4 other people on earth other than my own family have really seen it, and that is not likely to change all of a sudden.

is that enough of a rant for the time being?
 
Top Nurse said:
[/rant] :D
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so long as you notice that i said WRX, and not WRX STi, then the rant is over.
[rant]
GOD i can't believe how utterly cheap that spoiler makes the whole car look............
[/rant]
 
Sorry for the long absence.
A few comments, first of all I have found out that the Aquagrafix will not fit the ASUS 6800 and secondly I drive an Aston Martin! I relly appreciate all the input and I will keep my word to pay. I think everyone is right about my case, it is too small. It was my first mid tower case and it will be my last. My current idle temps are 40C for the CPU and the chipset. However, once I stress the system the chipset temps soar. The GPU's have never gone above 46C. What should normal temps be? I expected lower temps from the FX CPU from all my reading. This system has temps closer to a P4, my previous system.
Lastly, how complex is to mix and match various vendors? The Dangerden is the only manufacturer of a chipset which specifically states it is made for A8N MB with dual 6800's. I would use the AC Twinplex but I am not sure it would fit.
 
cell_491 said:
dude my exos al keeps my shit at a tidy 30c idle and 35c load and thats with everything oced and the exos 2 is even better...just get one of these its identical to the exos 2 and its the same as your case http://www.koolance.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=180. BAM that coupled with the appropriate koolance blocks will definitely cool your shit down
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What is in your system? Please don't take this the wrong way, but their stuff has not recieved good reviews, although I like the way it looks.
 
theseeker said:
What is in your system? Please don't take this the wrong way, but their stuff has not recieved good reviews, although I like the way it looks.
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i dont know where youve seen bad reviews of koolance stuff because its some of the best. My system is in my sig and i can gurantee you that when everything is oced it produces more heat than your system
Edit: if youve got sigs turned off here my system
A64 3700+ SanDiego @ 264x11=2904mhz
DFI Lanparty nf4 Ultra-D
2x512mb Gskill pc4400
maxtor 250gb sata ultra16
panasonic 16x dvd-rw+-
generic 16x dvd-rom
Sapphire Radeon x850xt 642x625mhz (Vcore & Vdimm mod)
500wt Fortron Bluestorm PSU
Antec super lanboy case
 
cell_491 said:
i dont know where youve seen bad reviews of koolance stuff because its some of the best.
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Ahh...the last two reviews of the "new style" Koolance products by [H]ardOCP have been less than complementary.
 
theseeker said:
Sorry for the long absence.
A few comments, first of all I have found out that the Aquagrafix will not fit the ASUS 6800 and secondly I drive an Aston Martin!
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Nice choice of a car :D Why do you think an Aqua Computer AquagraFX cooler will not fit a Asus 6800 card?
 
Top Nurse said:
Nice choice of a car :D Why do you think an Aqua Computer AquagraFX cooler will not fit a Asus 6800 card?
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I sent an e-mail to AC in Berlin and they informed me that the ASUS card will not work with their cooler. Guess I will use the GPU cooler instead.
 
TN, i do beleive that ASUS and one other card maker fall into the same boat: they are not following Nvidia's reference design for mounting holes for HSF (or maybe it was something else).
I tottally do NOT remember exactly what it was, but i DO remember that one manuf. was ASUS. I'm not surprised to hear that AC sais it will not work.
 
While I highly recommend AC parts, I can not recommend cooling at that with one loop. My suggestion is a loop for the CPU and Northbridge and a separate loop for the 6800's. This will also allow you to add some hard drive coolers in the future. I just got the Micro hard drive cooler from AC and found it keeps my Raptors cool to the touch instead of hot to the touch.
 
Top Nurse said:
Ahh...the last two reviews of the "new style" Koolance products by [H]ardOCP have been less than complementary.
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they cool better but the move to 3/8in tubing was STUPID
 
cell_491 said:
they cool better but the move to 3/8in tubing was STUPID
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It was only stupid because they refused to follow through with 3/8" coolers all through their line. The 3/8" change was politically motivated. They should have stayed at 6mm and just changed the pump output.
 
Momo said:
TN, i do beleive that ASUS and one other card maker fall into the same boat: they are not following Nvidia's reference design for mounting holes for HSF (or maybe it was something else).
I tottally do NOT remember exactly what it was, but i DO remember that one manuf. was ASUS. I'm not surprised to hear that AC sais it will not work.
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Well I'm not suprised because Asus has always been one to deviate from the reference design because it makes them run better. ;) But is this the case also with the 6800 Rev 2 cooler as well?

Just goes to show you that my thoughts on using Twinplex's to cool GPU's is a much more solid idea. I suppose that Sharka's thoughts on this is better too as he doesn't even like stocking any of these combo coolers at all just due to these kinds of problems.
 
Top Nurse said:
It was only stupid because they refused to follow through with 3/8" coolers all through their line. The 3/8" change was politically motivated. They should have stayed at 6mm and just changed the pump output.
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personally i like 6mm because its easy to work with and it has plety of flow capability if coupled with a good pump. In fact ive considered moding my exos al with a single more powerful pump instead of two crappy pumps unfurtunately i have been unable to find an appropriate pump
 
cell_491 said:
personally i like 6mm because its easy to work with and it has plety of flow capability if coupled with a good pump. In fact ive considered moding my exos al with a single more powerful pump instead of two crappy pumps unfurtunately i have been unable to find an appropriate pump
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An Eheim 1046 or Aquastream would more than double your flow over the pumps that come with the EXOS II. Add an Aquatube and you can eliminate the whole res/pump assembly.
 
Top Nurse said:
An Eheim 1046 or Aquastream would more than double your flow over the pumps that come with the EXOS II. Add an Aquatube and you can eliminate the whole res/pump assembly.
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i have an exos AL though not an exos II theres not much room in there
 
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