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Erasmus354 said:
Actually two forums.
However, one was from a company that screwed a lot of people and I was vocal in pointing it out on their company forum. The other one was just not my cup of tea and they didn't like my manner of speaking among other issues. None of them had anything to do with Aqua Computer or low flow topics.DFI Daishi
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i'm not really going to try and make a case here. you know the cooling performance level that i target, with little regard for looks. i know how pretty a system you can put together, with adequate cooling to get a reasonable OC.Top Nurse said:
now, unless that magic solution has effects like the magic french vodka with not after taste and a goose on the bottle.......i don't think that your magic solution is anywhere near as good as mine.
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domoMKIV said:
if by "inexpensive areas" you meant "the entire state" then yes
speaking from first hand experience
were about halfway off the track. I figure the response to this oughta derail this thread for good............
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you only wish.........topcat989 said:
perhaps this is unfair, but the fact that you were willing to keep a fan in your WC'd PSU sets you apart for a lot of A-C fans in my mind.
the posts that i have seen seem to follow a trend that A-C usres want to eliminate every fan except for the ones on their rad. threads where i have noted that cooling the GPU core with a WB and cooling the memory with ramsinks and good case airflow have been met with comments like "who wants another fan in their case" and coments that a passivly cooled HDD or a HDD cooled by a 14 dB fan will net better results that watercooling everything in sight have been met with "i don't think that i have enough case airflow to passively cool the HDD" or "you don't get it, watercooling the HDD means that i don't have to run any case fans"
i'm sorry if i'm painting you all with the same brush unjustly, but i just don't get what your goals are: a HDD is quieter than ambient noise. a 14dB case fans is quieter tha ambient noise. i can't hear my PSU over ambient noise. my case fans are quieter than ambient noise. RAM, mosfets and vREGs don't need more than passive cooling.
people who put waterblocks on all of those components just boggle my mind.........some cheap 'sinks and some quiet fans can do the job if you have the big ticket heat producers taken care of. even if you WC lots of parts......there are still bitz that need some airflow to work optimally, so you still need some case airflow.
nope, i mean the inexpensive areas.topcat989 said:if by "inexpensive areas" you meant "the entire state" then yes
speaking from first hand experience
dont see em towards malibu/woodland hills/laguna beach/hollywood, not nearly as much as san bernardino or san diego anyway.
i dont mean mexicans in general either, i mean the ones that "shouldnt" be here.
still waitin for those test results though.
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Bio-Hazard said:Another thread that amounts to nothing at all but trash talking. Time to go again..........
DItto. Here's AC computer vs. this product
http://www.brookstone.com/shop/prod...pper magnetic&prodtemp=t2&cm_re=Result*R1C1*T
it's a toss up, very tough choice.
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DFI Daishi said:
some of us have more sensitive hearing, and are more sensitive to the sounds they hear. Literally. My hearing is very acute, and I do not tune out unwanted/irritating sounds easily. I have a dedicated computer room, and I am there several hours a day. When not playing games or watching media (it serves as entertainment room as well) I do not like to hear noise while working. I really do not like to hear fan or HD noises. HD are getting quieter, esp if you pick quiet ones delibertly, but sometimes it's still worth it to watercool them. To some they may not hear it (fan/hd noise) or they may ignore it. I'm not one of those poeple. Just becuase something deosn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it shouldn't make sense for anyone else.
Also, since I'll be upgrading to high end parts, they put out more heat. To get decent cooling with as few fans as possible I'll be watercooling as much as I can. I don't have to WC things like the HD/SB/NB/RAM/ETC... but everything that I do watercool is less heat released inside of the case instead of out, which, of course, means a lower (and quieter) airflow will be able to adaquately cool the parts that are not WC'ed.
Another thing you might be missing is that sometimes folks do it for fun on top of practical reasons. I like modding, a lot. It is enjoyable and relaxing to me. I'm looking forward to the challenge of voiding the warrenty on my $150 PSU to see what it takes to WC it.
Dashi some folks I imagine say the same thing about case modding:
"why do that? you can buy a premod that looks just fine, why screw around with it?"
Same as those who WC "more" than what's "necessary".
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I guess by "inexpensive" you mean the 99% of the state that isn't million dollor homes behind gates, then well ok. Which is where I live. And I was speaking about the ones that "shouldn't" be here either. Although keep in mind here in the Socialist Republic of Kalifornia to oppose illegal immigration in any form is considered racist, worthy of hate crime legislation to eradicate such thinking.......
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to get that heat into the loop you use pumping head to get coolant through the blocks, sacrificing cooling of other components, or adding pump noise. at the rad you need a bit of extra fan power to deal with the added heat in the coolant, adding some fan noise there. yeah, you have eliminated fans from iside your case. i doubt that you have gotten that cooling accomplished to a given level of performance with a lower noise penalty that passive heatsinks and quite 120mm case fans could have done.topcat989 said:
cars driving by down a nearby street, the wind gusting, the birds that roost on the eaves and in the tree and the noises made by everyone else in the house are ALL greater sources of noise than my PSU and HDDs. my mosfets and chipset are passively cooled, and one of my rads moves "enough" air through the case. to keep all of my non-watercooled bits happy.
that just blows my mind.........i don't get why people mod. i can't fathom what there is to enjoy about the act of modifying the case for watercooling. i don't understand why people choose to put so much time into cabling. all of that stuff is a PITA that i need to get out of the way so that i can get down to OCing the piss out of my system and then firing up some games.topcat989 said:Another thing you might be missing is that sometimes folks do it for fun on top of practical reasons. I like modding, a lot. It is enjoyable and relaxing to me. I'm looking forward to the challenge of voiding the warrenty on my $150 PSU to see what it takes to WC it.
Dashi some folks I imagine say the same thing about case modding:
"why do that? you can buy a premod that looks just fine, why screw around with it?"
Same as those who WC "more" than what's "necessary".
I doubt you will see any tests, other than those conducted in Europe and typically in the Germanic tongue. AC has difficulty meeting demand as it is, so why should they care?
As long as demand outstrips supply, they dont have to do anything. AC has a loyal following and their products work. Lets face it, do we really need water cooling? In a word the answer has to be no. Alas, people dont buy what they need, rather they buy what they want. Case in point; a Ford GT compares very well, if not better in some categories with a Ferrari F430, but the 430's are sold out for the next 27 months.
As long as demand outstrips supply, they dont have to do anything. AC has a loyal following and their products work. Lets face it, do we really need water cooling? In a word the answer has to be no. Alas, people dont buy what they need, rather they buy what they want. Case in point; a Ford GT compares very well, if not better in some categories with a Ferrari F430, but the 430's are sold out for the next 27 months.
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theseeker said:
Too late, tests are on the way as we speak
Systemcooling should be getting the block soon if they haven't already. Once Maxxxracer gets his testing rig setup, and tests his initial run of blocks he will be testing a Cuplex XT as well. There is no stalling anymore.Erasmus354 said:Too late, tests are on the way as we speak
Hope they include the bling factor
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DFI Daishi said:
that is not my experience. I acheive an acceptable level of cooling with WC, without the use of fans directly on the rad at all. All my fans are intake, and exhaust thru the rad. I don't hear it, and it cools effectively. Case closed. I think there isn't any point in arguring over this anymore, I've made clear my reasons, and you haven't said anything to change my mind. What you've said doesn't jive with my personal experiences.
DFI Daishi said:
not much to say here except different strokes for different folks. I don't see the point of modding cars, for looks or performance. Yet I do not look down on those who do (well maybe down on the ricers some
). Everyone has different tastes, and it is either ignorant or arragant to think that everyone should think as you do, feel as you do, and do as you do. pretty much enough said on this point as well....... Waterc00L101
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Erasmus354 said:Too late, tests are on the way as we speak
Since you have one but refuse to use it why didn't you send yours long ago?
Which leads to the real question; why do you purchase cooling hardware yet not install it?
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this isn't a argument yet. it's too polite to be an argument. i would just as soon keep it that way.topcat989 said:
do you find that having fans intake into the case and then passively exhaust through the rad to be more effective that drawing air through the rad and entering the case passively? have you tried it?
i exhaust through one of my rads at the top of the case and have some very weak intake fans bringing air into the case itself. i have also turned the fans in my PSU around so that they bring air into the case, rather than fighting the rad trying to exhaust.
yeah well......i don't see the point of modding a car for looks (in terms of wings and body kit) but i totally see the point in modding a car for power and handling. i actually like handling more than i like power, just BTW. almost no one owns nice cars around here. for those who have money it's huge pickups, huge SUVs and huge vans or riced out cars of any sort (the worst are the cavaliers). for those who don't have money, it's bland sedans. even fairly mainstream sportscars like the 350Z, 300ZX, supra, RX7/8, mazdaspeed mazda 6, probe, mustang, WRX, lan-evo, M3 and whatever else are rarely seen on the road.topcat989 said:not much to say here except different strokes for different folks. I don't see the point of modding cars, for looks or performance. Yet I do not look down on those who do (well maybe down on the ricers some
i don't expect everyone to share my tastes. i just don't get the appeal of riced out economy cars or computer cooling that is all show and no go.
just to be clear: my computer is probably the equivalent of a 302 ci V8 with blower and intake sticking out of the hood and straight pipes coming out of the side. what i drive is an economy compact sedan. what i would like to drive is something like the R34 GT-R: lots of traction, plenty of power, respectable handling. my computer is already about how i would like it to be with present games: it doesn't support HDR (which i think looks like ass) it runs current games at acceptable speeds, with comperable quality to my friend's 7800GT and 3500 claw, and it has pretty good HDD latency.
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It's his Cuplex XT that MaxxRacer is going to be testing actually....Waterc00L101 said:
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Demon_of_The_Fall said:It's his Cuplex XT that MaxxRacer is going to be testing actually....
You obviously don't know that said person goes out of his way to discredit the very thing he purchased yet never used. Very odd
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Waterc00L101 said:
I am redoing my watercooling with a PA160, which actually shipped from Dangerden on Friday. I was waiting to do anything for a couple of reasons. First of all I need my computer for school, so I need to wait for the right time to fiddle with my loop and bring my computer down for a day or two. Second of all, I need to actually have the time to work on the computer, so I need a time when I am not bogged down with school work. Third I was waiting for said PA160 to be in stock at DangerDen so I could buy one. Fourth I was also waiting for my tax refund so I could afford said radiator and a dremel so I could mod my P180 to fit the PA160.
I placed a second order with Jab-Tech for a rheobus, Yate Loons, some tubing, and 2 1/2" -> 3/8" reducers just so I can test the Cuplex XT against my TDX.
As for why I didn't send my XT to Lee to have him test it...I thought I had already answered that but here you go anyways.
Lee said:Thanks again for the kind offer but Sharka is supposed to be sending me a Cuplex XT waterblock this week. Actually a complete AquaCool system...
I offered to send it but he kindly declined because sharka was supposed to send one, and never did until a month later...
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Waterc00L101 said:
Please don't tell me what i obviously do or do not know when I've just corrected you.
Shoggy said:And the same thing happens when I want to get AC, the next fool is waiting around the corner to tell me that I should buy XY
QFT....and they even manage to come up with interesting cartoon adaptations to entertain us all. Sure glad that AC stuff isn't made in the Arab part of the world.
I sent an Aqua Computer Cuplex Pro off to a tester at the Water Block Testing Alliance (www.wbta.us - seems to be down atm).
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Erasmus354 said:
I am still confused why you continue to discredit AC at every chance yet YOU BOUGHT AC PRODUCTS. Maybe all the hype was getting to you?
I don't know why, but I just love seeing Aquacomputer get owned in threads like these!
I do have to agree that it is highly suspcious that there are no quality reviews of their products to be found anywhere. Why would anyone buy it without seeing data or unbiased reviews? That's like buying a car based on.....well....looking at it!?
I do have to agree that it is highly suspcious that there are no quality reviews of their products to be found anywhere. Why would anyone buy it without seeing data or unbiased reviews? That's like buying a car based on.....well....looking at it!?
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Waterc00L101 said:I am still confused why you continue to discredit AC at every chance yet YOU BOUGHT AC PRODUCTS. Maybe all the hype was getting to you?
Nope, but all the AC idiots claiming it to be the best thing since sliced bread did get to me. I was sick and tired of people recommending something without any type of performance data whatsoever. I was sick and tired of Sharka's shenanigans not sending gear for testing that he was supposed to send 6 months ago. I decided that Sharka was unreliable and would take matters into my own hands.
Looking at all the hype for AC gear I figured I could get the block, send it to Lee, by the time Lee was done with it I would be ready to test it in my loop. Then I could sell it for only a small loss. That is exactly what I was thinking. Of course then Sharka came along and somehow managed to throw a wrench in the works anyways
.So now my plan has become, wait until I am ready to test it myself. Send it to Maxxxracer. Sell it.
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AppaYipYip said:I don't know why, but I just love seeing Aquacomputer get owned in threads like these!
mmm, i missed that part, care to point out where exactly did that happen?
short version of what I've been saying:
"It's stupid and juvenile the way MOST argue over something like a WC system. Saying stupid 13 yr shit like "My WC system owns your WC system!" please, how ignorant is that
DFI Daishi said:
well im the guy that only has case fans attatched to the rads in my case but they dont run and if they are running the pc is under load. that was one of my main reasons for building my 4 loop beast. ya it cost me some change to build it the way i want it. but no big deal. it runs the way i want and im happy with it.
I will be doing a rev on the cpu loop adding another pump and a 240 rad. the cpu loop seams to be moving a lot of heat off the processor now that it is uncapped. but like i said i dont like any fans running if they dont have to be.
Waterc00L101 said:I am still confused why you continue to discredit AC at every chance yet YOU BOUGHT AC PRODUCTS. Maybe all the hype was getting to you?
He's like us and wants to keep the hype down so he can get his AC stuff out of stock instead of waiting weeks.
AppaYipYip said:I don't know why, but I just love seeing Aquacomputer get owned in threads like these!
I do have to agree that it is highly suspcious that there are no quality reviews of their products to be found anywhere. Why would anyone buy it without seeing data or unbiased reviews? That's like buying a car based on.....well....looking at it!?
AC get owned? In this thread??? You must be a native reader of a foreign language. Hey wait a minute! If you can read in something other than English there are shitloads of AC reviews that aren't in English. Oh wait a minute have you ever tried a Google translation?
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Glad to see that you still have the cartoon...........Top Nurse said:QFT....and they even manage to come up with interesting cartoon adaptations to entertain us all. Sure glad that AC stuff isn't made in the Arab part of the world.
It must really mean something to you.............. Top Nurse said:I appreciate fine art
When people quit saying bad things about you, or your company, then its time to worry. This reminds me of BMW vs. Harley.
The only reason why you don't see much AC gear being reviewed in English websites is because AC doesn't care about the non-European demographic of water cooling enthusiasts and Sharka only recently got AC gear in stock. But if you wanna see a review on AC shwag, here you go:
http://www.gruntville.com/reviews/wc/aquatube/index.php
http://www.gruntville.com/reviews/wc/aquatube/index.php
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