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Citing anonymous “industry sources,” this article claims that Apple and Microsoft are in talks to make Bing the default search engine for the iPhone. If true, this would obviously be a huge feather in Microsoft’s cap.

Talks between Microsoft and Apple have been going on for weeks, Bloomberg said, citing two people familiar with the matter. The story noted that the negotiations may not conclude quickly and might still fall apart. Microsoft's Bing search engine is trying to wrest market share from Google, the leader in Internet search.
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"Let me Bing that for you" just doesn't roll of the tongue. It sounds more sexual than internet searching.
 
TechLarry said:
I hope not. Bing can't find it's own ass...
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Google spits out 100 lines of ads before results these days.

Do a search for video converter and you'll find AVS4YOU AVS Video Converter being pimped many times!! before you get anything else. Brothersoft websites get a lot of hits too when looking for free software. And worse, most of these results are so dated that I'll bet if I did a search on "pets" I'd find Dino and Hoppy for sale.
 
Azhar said:
Google spits out 100 lines of ads before results these days.

Do a search for video converter and you'll find AVS4YOU AVS Video Converter being pimped many times!! before you get anything else. Brothersoft websites get a lot of hits too when looking for free software. And worse, most of these results are so dated that I'll bet if I did a search on "pets" I'd find Dino and Hoppy for sale.
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What's wrong with AVS Video Converter?
 
What's the bing....I mean big deal? Blackberry did it. I still use Google on my Blackberry. I just go to Google's home page.
 
Bing It or Bork It

Bing will be polluted with all the ads you don't need or want when it gets a stranglehold on the market.
 
c0nfusion said:
What's wrong with AVS Video Converter?
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Nothing's wrong with it. I like the software, but you missed the part where I put in the word "free video converter" in the search field and get 10 lines of AVS4YOU on the first page. (why even have so many results of the same damn thing anyways?)

AVS4YOU is not free last time I checked.
 
edit: oops, I left the word "free" out in my first post, sorry c0nfusion.
 
lol I've been there with that free video/audio converters search. Such a pain :p
 
ProfessorKaos64 said:
This seems highly unlikely, but who knows, stranger things have happened
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Maybe Apple is getting pissed at Google for Android.

As Android is the newcomer to the market thats kind of shaking things up. Droid this, HTC that, Google Phone, etc.

Microsoft has been in the mobile market for a long time, so Apple doesn't "mind them in the market" as MS was there before them (apple). But Google might be pissing everyone off with Android on netbooks, cellphones, etc. Microsot & Apple... old "enemies", may team up to be frienemies against the new kid on the OS block.
 
Azhar said:
Nothing's wrong with it. I like the software, but you missed the part where I put in the word "free video converter" in the search field and get 10 lines of AVS4YOU on the first page. (why even have so many results of the same damn thing anyways?)

AVS4YOU is not free last time I checked.
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I was interested to see this so did a search for "free video converter" and didn't get any AVS4YOU results:

http://i49.tinypic.com/hv3us6.jpg

Taking a brief look through the links they all seemed to be free video converters. It would be interesting to see a screenshot of your search results.
 
Mr Milquetoast said:
I was interested to see this so did a search for "free video converter" and didn't get any AVS4YOU results:

http://i49.tinypic.com/hv3us6.jpg

Taking a brief look through the links they all seemed to be free video converters. It would be interesting to see a screenshot of your search results.
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Mine is exactly the same as yours now. I'll be damn. Is Google watching this thread?

I swear to God it was as I said recently as a week ago. An employee was asking me to convert an mp4 into a widely accepted mpg for clients and I was having a hell of a time wading through AVS4YOU and Brothersoft results.
 
C-rizzle said:
Maybe Apple is getting pissed at Google for Android.

As Android is the newcomer to the market thats kind of shaking things up. Droid this, HTC that, Google Phone, etc.

Microsoft has been in the mobile market for a long time, so Apple doesn't "mind them in the market" as MS was there before them (apple). But Google might be pissing everyone off with Android on netbooks, cellphones, etc. Microsot & Apple... old "enemies", may team up to be frienemies against the new kid on the OS block.
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This makes sense. If I were Apple I'd be more worried about Android than Windows Mobile.
 
I've stopped using google in favor of bing for traffic maps. There was an incident where a highway was COMPLETELY CLOSED and google maps showed green, even though traffic was completely stopped. Bing maps accurately showed the blockage.

I also like the voice search function in Bing, very handy in the car ;)
 
Will this cause thousands of Apple fanboys to become "Microsoft-curious" and doubt their tech orientation?
 
whrswoldo said:
I've stopped using google in favor of bing for traffic maps. There was an incident where a highway was COMPLETELY CLOSED and google maps showed green, even though traffic was completely stopped. Bing maps accurately showed the blockage.

I also like the voice search function in Bing, very handy in the car ;)
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I will never use Bing again after telling it to go from my house -> a local park (about 30 minutes away), getting in the car, going to Tysons, then having it say "Take a (right/left) on Local Road(s) for 3.0 miles." when google maps told me exactly where to go.
 
PynkFloydd said:
Will this cause thousands of Apple fanboys to become "Microsoft-curious" and doubt their tech orientation?
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Maybe, Microsoft Office is one of the best selling pieces of software on OS X. Pretty much all of my Mac friends have XBox 360s. But yeah, count on some zealot backlash from Bing being the default browser over Google, pretty funny.

uninja said:
This makes sense. If I were Apple I'd be more worried about Android than Windows Mobile.
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The strange thing is that Microsoft has been reduced to "pawn status" in this battle, which is a little funny. Weird how time sorts things out.
 
Serpico said:
Maybe, Microsoft Office is one of the best selling pieces of software on OS X. Pretty much all of my Mac friends have XBox 360s. But yeah, count on some zealot backlash from Bing being the default browser over Google, pretty funny.



The strange thing is that Microsoft has been reduced to "pawn status" in this battle, which is a little funny. Weird how time sorts things out.
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I agree with you and it is also beneficial for Microsoft. The competition has forced them to come up with great products. I believe the days of Microsoft being the only bad guy that everyone should fight is over

To be honest despite how many fans on both sides think Microsoft and Apple are dependent on each other to great extent. Yes they are old enemies but they both have accepted to live with each other and make money out of it. I strongly believe neither Apple or Microsoft wants the other one to go away. In the real World, Microsoft and Apple are both dominate in their respective markets due to their strengths and weaknesses and I dont think their dominace will fade away

Google however has been increasingly hostlie towards both Apple and Microsoft. Apple and Microsoft are old companies with great heritage in Technology while Google is the new guy on the block making loads of money selling ads. I can see the tech industry going on without Google (although the competition is needed), but this industry without either Apple or Microsoft will be boring

I dont know if this rumor is true or not but I wont be surprised in the future to see some sort of alliance between Apple and Microsoft against Google
 
WAKASHIZuMa said:
I agree with you and it is also beneficial for Microsoft. The competition has forced them to come up with great products. I believe the days of Microsoft being the only bad guy that everyone should fight is over

To be honest despite how many fans on both sides think Microsoft and Apple are dependent on each other to great extent. Yes they are old enemies but they both have accepted to live with each other and make money out of it. I strongly believe neither Apple or Microsoft wants the other one to go away. In the real World, Microsoft and Apple are both dominate in their respective markets due to their strengths and weaknesses and I dont think their dominace will fade away

Google however has been increasingly hostlie towards both Apple and Microsoft. Apple and Microsoft are old companies with great heritage in Technology while Google is the new guy on the block making loads of money selling ads. I can see the tech industry going on without Google (although the competition is needed), but this industry without either Apple or Microsoft will be boring

I dont know if this rumor is true or not but I wont be surprised in the future to see some sort of alliance between Apple and Microsoft against Google
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QFT, great post as usual
 
Serpico said:
The strange thing is that Microsoft has been reduced to "pawn status" in this battle, which is a little funny. Weird how time sorts things out.
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MS has done a terrible job of advancing Windows Mobile to end up in this position. Not to mention WinMo development is an unholy nightmare compared to creating apps for any other platform and the original iPhone should have been a clear sign that people do not want to use a stylus or stare at text boxes that look 15 years old.

It should be no surprise where MS is right now. WinMo 6, 6.1, and 6.5 proved to show that they just don't get what people want on a mobile. A lot of people saw this pawn status coming years ago when MS kept plugging away at a Windows Mobile platform and barely changing anything as the years clicked by...

Hopefully WinMo 7 drops all native app compatibility or reduces it to emulation only.
 
WAKASHIZuMa said:
I agree with you and it is also beneficial for Microsoft. The competition has forced them to come up with great products. I believe the days of Microsoft being the only bad guy that everyone should fight is over

To be honest despite how many fans on both sides think Microsoft and Apple are dependent on each other to great extent. Yes they are old enemies but they both have accepted to live with each other and make money out of it. I strongly believe neither Apple or Microsoft wants the other one to go away. In the real World, Microsoft and Apple are both dominate in their respective markets due to their strengths and weaknesses and I dont think their dominace will fade away

Google however has been increasingly hostlie towards both Apple and Microsoft. Apple and Microsoft are old companies with great heritage in Technology while Google is the new guy on the block making loads of money selling ads. I can see the tech industry going on without Google (although the competition is needed), but this industry without either Apple or Microsoft will be boring

I dont know if this rumor is true or not but I wont be surprised in the future to see some sort of alliance between Apple and Microsoft against Google
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The way you described it makes me see Microsoft and Apple in a new light. All of the ads and commercials and rivalries were just friendly jabs between Gates and Jobs (who ARE friends after all), and then the behemoth Google comes along and Apple and Microsoft stands shoulder to shoulder telling Google to pay nice.
 
WAKASHIZuMa said:
To be honest despite how many fans on both sides think Microsoft and Apple are dependent on each other to great extent. Yes they are old enemies but they both have accepted to live with each other and make money out of it. I strongly believe neither Apple or Microsoft wants the other one to go away. In the real World, Microsoft and Apple are both dominate in their respective markets due to their strengths and weaknesses and I dont think their dominace will fade away
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The whole Apple/Microsoft battle is partly there to generate controversy and keep them in the news while fanboys argue in message boards. Fact of the matter is that they've been in bed with each other for a very long time. Microsoft was making Mac software years before Windows even existed. Fast forward 25 years and every copy of OS X comes with Exchange support built right into the OS. Microsoft isn't just giving that away.

In terms of competition raising the bar for both, Microsoft's work with Windows 95 pushed Apple to seriously rethink their own quickly aging operating system, which led to the acquisition of NEXT and OS X. The work Apple did with OS X and iLife pushed the improvements that we're enjoying in Windows 7 today.

A world without this sort of competition would be crap. I'd argue that Google is also an important part of this, but being the upstart kid it makes sense that the old hands are going to push back, especially when you have Microsoft lagging in mobile devices and search and Apple wanting to establish a foothold in mobile advertising.
 
Serpico said:
The whole Apple/Microsoft battle is partly there to generate controversy and keep them in the news while fanboys argue in message boards. Fact of the matter is that they've been in bed with each other for a very long time. Microsoft was making Mac software years before Windows even existed. Fast forward 25 years and every copy of OS X comes with Exchange support built right into the OS. Microsoft isn't just giving that away.

In terms of competition raising the bar for both, Microsoft's work with Windows 95 pushed Apple to seriously rethink their own quickly aging operating system, which led to the acquisition of NEXT and OS X. The work Apple did with OS X and iLife pushed the improvements that we're enjoying in Windows 7 today.

A world without this sort of competition would be crap. I'd argue that Google is also an important part of this, but being the upstart kid it makes sense that the old hands are going to push back, especially when you have Microsoft lagging in mobile devices and search and Apple wanting to establish a foothold in mobile advertising.
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To me what makes Google radically different from Apple and Microsoft is how they offer their products for free (except Google Apps which is for enterprise) and instead make their money from ads. Apple and Microsoft got where they are today by charging people for what they offer (with very good margins). Google business model allows them to keep giving products for free or at reduced prices which is something neither Apple or Microsoft are willing to do and that's why Google is becoming increasingly dangerous for both corporations. It's hard to compete with something that is both free and adequate for the majority of the population

With future being cloud computer (and personally I hate the whole hyped up future must be cloud thing) it is going to dificult for Apple and Microsoft to compete with Google especially considering Google has more cloud presence than either one

Apple and Microsoft has more in common than many people think and they are perfectly happy living together as so called "fierce" competitors. A competitor that is actually a source of profit for you is far better than a competitor that offers free products and leaves you with nothing in return
 
I like Bing for the "birds eye view" maps, as they are far better than Google where I live, but I use Google for everything else.
 
I do have one question about Bing that's been bugging me though:

On television, the actors that shows off Bing in their commercial always make image results sort of animate into your browser, like fading and floating in towards you. How did they do that?

My search result just plain old make the image show up like any other sites :-P
 
Azhar said:
I do have one question about Bing that's been bugging me though:

On television, the actors that shows off Bing in their commercial always make image results sort of animate into your browser, like fading and floating in towards you. How did they do that?

My search result just plain old make the image show up like any other sites :-P
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edit: like this.. look at the 11 second mark.
 
Serpico said:
QFT, great post as usual
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Thank you :)

Serpico said:
The whole Apple/Microsoft battle is partly there to generate controversy and keep them in the news while fanboys argue in message boards. Fact of the matter is that they've been in bed with each other for a very long time. Microsoft was making Mac software years before Windows even existed. Fast forward 25 years and every copy of OS X comes with Exchange support built right into the OS. Microsoft isn't just giving that away.

In terms of competition raising the bar for both, Microsoft's work with Windows 95 pushed Apple to seriously rethink their own quickly aging operating system, which led to the acquisition of NEXT and OS X. The work Apple did with OS X and iLife pushed the improvements that we're enjoying in Windows 7 today.

A world without this sort of competition would be crap. I'd argue that Google is also an important part of this, but being the upstart kid it makes sense that the old hands are going to push back, especially when you have Microsoft lagging in mobile devices and search and Apple wanting to establish a foothold in mobile advertising.
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That pretty much sums it all up
 
I like to alternate between Bing and Google, depending what I'm searching.

Microsoft, Apple: I know this is asking a lot, but please do not take my choice away.
 
PynkFloydd said:
Will this cause thousands of Apple fanboys to become "Microsoft-curious" and doubt their tech orientation?
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I don't know... there was a lot of cooked crow that went bad after Apple made the Intel switch announcement. I guess they weren't hungry enough for it.
 
techrat said:
I don't know... there was a lot of cooked crow that went bad after Apple made the Intel switch announcement. I guess they weren't hungry enough for it.
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I don't think the Intel switch really mattered much to the fanboys, not compared to Microsoft (which again is stupid because Office is super popular and Exchange is built into OS X). It was driven by practicality because none of the PPC manufacturers were up to snuff. Motorola wasn't capable of or interested in supplying faster G4 CPUs. They were really good at first but several years of stagnation led to the hacky solution of putting multiple G4 CPUs into the mid-range and high-end Mac towers, and it led to complete stagnation in their notebook CPUs. IBM followed and they failed to provide any desktop CPUs that could hit 3ghz, nor could they produce any that ran cool enough to put into laptops, so again Apple was stuck putting ancient Motorola G4s into them.

Laptops are arguably the most important part of the Mac business. Intel was the only company that made sense in terms of providing CPUs with a good balance of power and efficiency, and they still are four years after the switch. IBM, AMD, Motorola, none of them can do what Intel does in the mobile arena, nor can they do it in any significant volume, and it can be argued that they don't have the resources or desire to go the extra mile for Apple like Intel did when they developed the custom CPU package for the Macbook Air. Being able to run x86 code with the rest of the planet is an obvious bonus, of course. :)

So yeah, Intel doesn't really matter compared to the MS thing, and even that is overstated as myself and WAKASHIZuMa discussed up above.
 
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