Apple is da shiznit!

[NotJay]

i would love to see you carry around full tower size desktop for travel/work etc

 

[Mr. Wolf]

First, I'm a dick, not a pussy.

I'll take your word for it.

Look at that, your super-high quality Apple product goes up in smoke and you go running to mommy, or some chick.

Yeah, you're right. I'd rather have had to spend 2 hours on the phone with a tech support dork in New Dehli who barely spoke English and then sent my laptop for a 5-10 day vacation on the west coast.

ess than 10 minutes later you're waiting until Friday, and still waiting.

Fedex delivery scheduled for Thursday by 10:30am.

Core i5 and Sandy Bridge are, or can be, the same thing. So, it's meaningless for you to claim that they replaced your Core i5 with Sandy Bridge. Anyway, the reason you're getting Sandy Bridge v2 is because v1 had a serious bug. Any company that had used such shoddy hardware would be obligated to replace your early Sandy Bridge with a later Sandy Bridge. But, many other companies would have charged you a lot less and given you a better laptop in the first place. And, any other laptop would have come with Windows, which is far more useful.

My i5 ran OS X, Windows and Linux. So will my Sandy Bridge.

Laptops are for pussies.

I'll bet the chicks dig your bulging biceps from carrying your desktop PC and monitor everywhere.

Thanks for playing!

 

[Deltief]

it is impossible to build a PC with the same or better specs for less than an Apple. it can't be done, this is why people buy Apples. also, it is impossible for apples to get viruses. also, apples have better graphics cards, so the games look better.

http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC725LL/A?mco=MjEyOTY3MjA
vs
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np7280s1-p-2935.html?wconfigure=yes

ok, Listen i dont hate apple, i hate their ethics and prices, take a look at this comparison, a CLOSE LOOK and see the difference. this is just 1 example. And at least I give facts, you just said apple has better gpu's, C'mon man, not even EDUCATED die hard apple fan boys would ever say this even in a dream. And you should have said apples get less viruses tha pc's so you didnt look like you didnt know what the hell you were saying. So after destroying your whole argument, that was clearly more passion than proof or facts. Ill go now and let you educate yourself a little on the brand you seem to love but know close to nothing about. Then you can make a response to this post and act like you know and knew what the hell you were talking about . See you then.

 

[PNut12345]

Eh, my brother swears by apple customer support, says he's had nothing but good experiences with them.

I, however, was told in no uncertain terms to go fuck myself after ios4 broke my iphone. That was over the phone with customer service, as there were no apple stores within 3 hours of me. When we moved to the DC area about 2 months later, I took the phone to an apple store. The girl at the genius bar told me to go fuck myself.

 

[Zumino Zufeilon]

http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC725LL/A?mco=MjEyOTY3MjA
vs
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np7280s1-p-2935.html?wconfigure=yes

ok, Listen i dont hate apple, i hate their ethics and prices, take a look at this comparison, a CLOSE LOOK and see the difference. this is just 1 example. And at least I give facts, you just said apple has better gpu's, C'mon man, not even EDUCATED die hard apple fan boys would ever say this even in a dream. And you should have said apples get less viruses tha pc's so you didnt look like you didnt know what the hell you were saying. So after destroying your whole argument, that was clearly more passion than proof or facts. Ill go now and let you educate yourself a little on the brand you seem to love but know close to nothing about. Then you can make a response to this post and act like you know and knew what the hell you were talking about . See you then.

Really, I love you, you are trying to compare a hardcore gaming computer, with a 17" MPB. Your choice of Sager comparison denies me the ability to do a true apples-to-apples comparsion, but there are a few things I can point out.

Weight, Sager's like that are usually ~10lbs, vs. ~6.5 for the MBP.

Screen, the Sager is a 17.3" 1080p, the Apple is a 17" 1920X1200 (i.e. significantly more pixels, don't you agree?)

Battery Life: I don't have numbers, because of your choice of laptop, but I wouldn't expect more then 1-2 hours of battery life on your Sager. The 17" MBP's get 7+ hours doing "normal" things, and 4-5 hours gaming.

Price: Btw, I don't know if you missed it, but you laptop costs $300 more.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Getting a more powerful laptop then an apple, for less, is easy. You sacrifice portability, which I take as a measure of weight and battery life.

The old axiom of Laptops is "Power, Portability, Price, Choose two". Apple tries to do the best balance of the three that they can, with a preference towards portability. And I'd say they succeed. Just because you look to other metrics, doesn't reduce the value in an Apple, just reduces it for you. But I don't go around telling you how terrible your choice of laptops is (unless you come to tell me how bad mine is!), so why do you feel the need to tell those of us who agree with Apples metrics, how wrong we are?

You chose to come into the "Apple Products" forum, and specifically reply telling us how you hate "their ethics and prices". You don't point out anything about their ethics, but you point out their prices, which is a value question.

Additionally, as of right now, there aren't ANY virii out for Apples. There are a few active malware/trojans, but no Virii. So what he said about virii was correct. Will that change? Sooner or later, I'm sure. But as of right now, nope.

 

[shansoft]

Really, I love you, you are trying to compare a hardcore gaming computer, with a 17" MPB. Your choice of Sager comparison denies me the ability to do a true apples-to-apples comparsion, but there are a few things I can point out.

Weight, Sager's like that are usually ~10lbs, vs. ~6.5 for the MBP.

Screen, the Sager is a 17.3" 1080p, the Apple is a 17" 1920X1200 (i.e. significantly more pixels, don't you agree?)

Battery Life: I don't have numbers, because of your choice of laptop, but I wouldn't expect more then 1-2 hours of battery life on your Sager. The 17" MBP's get 7+ hours doing "normal" things, and 4-5 hours gaming.

Price: Btw, I don't know if you missed it, but you laptop costs $300 more.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Getting a more powerful laptop then an apple, for less, is easy. You sacrifice portability, which I take as a measure of weight and battery life.

The old axiom of Laptops is "Power, Portability, Price, Choose two". Apple tries to do the best balance of the three that they can, with a preference towards portability. And I'd say they succeed.

Get HP DV6T QE or the 17" if you want to compare, 1200 less with Blu-ray Support and better GPU/CPU/RAM .... and more..

Hell, the weight is lower than MBP....

 

[ryken]

http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC725LL/A?mco=MjEyOTY3MjA
vs
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np7280s1-p-2935.html?wconfigure=yes

ok, Listen i dont hate apple, i hate their ethics and prices, take a look at this comparison, a CLOSE LOOK and see the difference. this is just 1 example. And at least I give facts, you just said apple has better gpu's, C'mon man, not even EDUCATED die hard apple fan boys would ever say this even in a dream. And you should have said apples get less viruses tha pc's so you didnt look like you didnt know what the hell you were saying. So after destroying your whole argument, that was clearly more passion than proof or facts. Ill go now and let you educate yourself a little on the brand you seem to love but know close to nothing about. Then you can make a response to this post and act like you know and knew what the hell you were talking about . See you then.

jackpot! giggity

 

[Zumino Zufeilon]

Get HP DV6T QE or the 17" if you want to compare, 1200 less with Blu-ray Support and better GPU/CPU/RAM .... and more..

Hell, the weight is lower than MBP....

Wait, now you're trying to compare a "Not-Even-1080p Display" laptop with a 1900x1200 MBP? Which STILL weighs more then the MBP, and get's shorter battery life?

Again, apples to, umm, apples

Edited in* Not to mention a CONSUMER line HP, no thank you, those are less reliable then possibly any laptop on the market today. Compare that to an Apple which has one of the highest customer satisfaction/initial quality ratings on the market.

 

[Zumino Zufeilon]

Listen, Apple is not the "end-all-be-all", but accept that some of us know exactly what we're doing when we choose to buy/use Apple's.

While there are an awful lot of idiots out there who only buy them "because they are cool", there are absolutely those of us who've been working, building, repairing, and programing computers since before you were in diapers, who choose to buy/use Apple's. And we have our reasons. All of your arguments have been heard before, and all of them have been refuted before.

So why come and try to start a fight again?

 

[Serpico]

Core i5 and Sandy Bridge are, or can be, the same thing. So, it's meaningless for you to claim that they replaced your Core i5 with Sandy Bridge. Anyway, the reason you're getting Sandy Bridge v2 is because v1 had a serious bug. Any company that had used such shoddy hardware would be obligated to replace your early Sandy Bridge with a later Sandy Bridge.

Reading comprehension. Look at the timeline, Wolf's i5 was a Nehalem i5, not Sandy Bridge. Apple didn't ship Sandy Bridge machines until after the second revision motherboards had been released. Also, the flaw in the Sandy Bridge mobo had to do with failing SATA 3gb s connectors, nothing that would cause a mobo to go "poof".

So why come and try to start a fight again?

Why else do trolls make ridiculous posts?

 

[shansoft]

Wait, now you're trying to compare a "Not-Even-1080p Display" laptop with a 1900x1200 MBP? Which STILL weighs more then the MBP, and get's shorter battery life?

Again, apples to, umm, apples

Edited in* Not to mention a CONSUMER line HP, no thank you, those are less reliable then possibly any laptop on the market today. Compare that to an Apple which has one of the highest customer satisfaction/initial quality ratings on the market.

Did you ever use a DV6t or DV7T series before? weight more than MBP? You gotta be kidding me.....
About the display. It squeeze everything into a small screen, if you find it to be satisfy, good for you...
Btw, you can also get the same from DELL XPS series with far better screen with better spec and better price

The battery life, its about the same across the line as long as you have switchable graphic on. I have about 3-4 hours on my MBP 15" 2011 6750M. If I want to squeeze out I have to change to Integrated GPU, same as the laptop that I mention.

I don't even know where you smoke the those "EDIT" from....
I been browsing through MacRumors forum and definitely not finding that to be true in any possible way, unless there is a Apple fanboy shooting the words out

Anyway, have fun putting the laptop on your lap while using Skype Video calling or youtube.. maybe even watch a movie... better watch out your lap might get couple degree of burns....

 

[Oldie]

If anyone else would like an infraction, please continue the trolling and name calling and I will be happy to oblige. FYI, trolling the trolls is still trolling.

 

[Zumino Zufeilon]

Did you ever use a DV6t or DV7T series before? weight more than MBP? You gotta be kidding me.....
About the display. It squeeze everything into a small screen, if you find it to be satisfy, good for you...
Btw, you can also get the same from DELL XPS series with far better screen with better spec and better price

The battery life, its about the same across the line as long as you have switchable graphic on. I have about 3-4 hours on my MBP 15" 2011 6750M. If I want to squeeze out I have to change to Integrated GPU, same as the laptop that I mention.

I don't even know where you smoke the those "EDIT" from....
I been browsing through MacRumors forum and definitely not finding that to be true in any possible way, unless there is a Apple fanboy shooting the words out

Anyway, have fun putting the laptop on your lap while using Skype Video calling or youtube.. maybe even watch a movie... better watch out your lap might get couple degree of burns....

The thing is, who needs to use the dedicated graphics card most of the time. And, with the exception of Optimus, which doesn't really exist anymore, nobody else really has "switchable graphics" (that I'm aware of, I'm willing ot be shown wrong here). Even when I need a dedicated graphics card, gaming (in EvE Online, it's what I play), I still get 5+ hours.

I can use Skype Video (and do) on my lap all the time, similar on movies, hell it's running a movie right next to me while I be "ADD-tastic!". iStat Pro is showing ~50C. gfxcardstatus is your friend. Similarly, I've pushed my own laptop passed 10 hours on a flight to New Zealand, granted, that was with the screen turned down to nothing, the wireless/bluetooth off/etc. But isn't part of the advantage of being a [H] is that you know how to stretch your laptop. Even still, I'm not aware of any PC with similar weight, similar power that can touch that, even with increased weight. Some can do it with a second battery, but then again, that battery weights 1-3 lbs (depending), which hits the portability even more.

Speaking of portability, I looked at the 17" DV6t QE, which came in at 6.71 lbs on HP weight, while the MBP comes in at 6.6 lbs. Not a great difference, but it's still lighter. And that's with the standard 6cell battery, which means a "real life" battery life of ~3ish hours. If you add the 9Cell, you're adding +~1lbs to the weight, making it even worse, and STILL not getting more then 5ish hours of battery life.

As for the "macrumors forum", funny, if I look at the 'Your 2011 MBP experience thread, on MacRumors, I see 106 out of 125 "Great" or "Couple of minor issues, but fixed/good". That's 85%, on a forum where people are MORE likely to complain about their purchase then normal. Seems' pretty good to me.

 

[shansoft]

The thing is, who needs to use the dedicated graphics card most of the time. And, with the exception of Optimus, which doesn't really exist anymore, nobody else really has "switchable graphics" (that I'm aware of, I'm willing ot be shown wrong here). Even when I need a dedicated graphics card, gaming (in EvE Online, it's what I play), I still get 5+ hours.

I can use Skype Video (and do) on my lap all the time, similar on movies, hell it's running a movie right next to me while I be "ADD-tastic!". iStat Pro is showing ~50C. gfxcardstatus is your friend. Similarly, I've pushed my own laptop passed 10 hours on a flight to New Zealand, granted, that was with the screen turned down to nothing, the wireless/bluetooth off/etc. But isn't part of the advantage of being a [H] is that you know how to stretch your laptop. Even still, I'm not aware of any PC with similar weight, similar power that can touch that, even with increased weight. Some can do it with a second battery, but then again, that battery weights 1-3 lbs (depending), which hits the portability even more.

Speaking of portability, I looked at the 17" DV6t QE, which came in at 6.71 lbs on HP weight, while the MBP comes in at 6.6 lbs. Not a great difference, but it's still lighter. And that's with the standard 6cell battery, which means a "real life" battery life of ~3ish hours. If you add the 9Cell, you're adding +~1lbs to the weight, making it even worse, and STILL not getting more then 5ish hours of battery life.

As for the "macrumors forum", funny, if I look at the 'Your 2011 MBP experience thread, on MacRumors, I see 106 out of 125 "Great" or "Couple of minor issues, but fixed/good". That's 85%, on a forum where people are MORE likely to complain about their purchase then normal. Seems' pretty good to me.

Switchable Graphic is one main part of battery saving feature, I can squeeze out 5-6 hours easily on a PC laptop with it, which is the same like MBP.

I am not quite sure how exactly you can use skype video call on your lap since the Temp goes up to the roof around 90c, and this isn't just me, there is a thread about this in MacRumors forum. The bottom part is impossible to put on the lap, and not quite sure how you can do it. Same thing with stuff like YOUTUBE.....
PS: that is CPU temp, not GPU..

About the weight, I still hold my words.

On that poll that you show, you can go to notebookreview and find the Envy or DV6T owner's lounge, it will show you exact same thing...
EX: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...n-quad-edition-6xxx-series-owners-lounge.html

Nothing like you say about the consumer's problem. when did apple are more reliable? if they are reliable then this thread won't even exist.

 

[Stone Cold]

Reading comprehension. Look at the timeline, Wolf's i5 was a Nehalem i5, not Sandy Bridge. Apple didn't ship Sandy Bridge machines until after the second revision motherboards had been released. Also, the flaw in the Sandy Bridge mobo had to do with failing SATA 3gb s connectors, nothing that would cause a mobo to go "poof".

What timeline? Nehalem is not mentioned in the O.P. And, so what if his Nehalem i5 was replaced by a Sandy Bridge i5? I guess Apple just isn't greedy enough to waste money by reserving unsold stockpiles of old versions of the same parts for future replacements.

Also, be very careful when you talk about someone else's reading compression. I said nothing that in the least implied that his Apple going up in smoke was due to the SBv1 bug.

Apple groupies.

 

[Serpico]

What timeline?

Pay attention to the thread.

It still was under the standard 1 year warranty. I bought it last November. I'll buy the AppleCare extension in October.

And re: this

And, so what if his Nehalem i5 was replaced by a Sandy Bridge i5? I guess Apple just isn't greedy enough to waste money by reserving unsold stockpiles of old versions of the same parts for future replacements.

Nonsense, they keep replacement parts for computers going back for years and years. Do you really think that they address every issue by replacing it with the newest model? That would lose them ridiculous amounts of money if they did that. The fact that they decided to replace the Wolf's whole MBP rather than repair the existing model is pretty cool, and whatever happened to his mobo must have been severe enough to justify it.

Also, using words like "greed" to explain their excellent customer service is fanboyism and spinning of reality at its best. I'd pull quotes from the rest of your posts except that they've already been nuked.